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(81,440 posts)Every low-life thief knows this
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)master of them all!
dalton99a
(81,440 posts)Under The Radar
(3,401 posts)2001 airlines bailout after 9-11 $15 billion
2008 Tarp from Bush $1trillion
2009 tarp from Obama (loan) $1tillion
2009 Auto manufacturing loan $15billion
2017 farmers tariff assistance $28billion
What is the term for corporate welfare?
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)is your answer.
czarjak
(11,266 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)and on time
spanone
(135,816 posts)lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:53 PM - Edit history (1)
you could drop 10B on "health care" tomorrow and it wouldn't do much if anything to solve or slow this down.
This is a novel virus. People have no immunity. There is no treatment to the virus, only to the resulting havoc it causes.
If we do nothing, the virus will run rampant throughout the US... we will look like northern Italy in the next week or two. Yup, that fast.
Could we use more hospital beds and ventilators and blood oxygen machines... yes... but all the money it the world won't make them appear in time.
So... what do we do now... containment is a week in the rear view mirror. Here is what we can do... we need to slow it down... so that the really sick will not overwhelm our hospitals.
How do we do that. Everyone, young and old, need to go home and stay home... for at least 4 weeks... everyone except for absolutely essential people (fire, some police, sanitation, water and power). Close everything... schools, malls, stores, church, everything... for weeks. Like we all took a vacation (or rather a staycation).
Companies should just pause... contracts paused... payments delayed, collections delayed. One giant PAUSE button.
Don't collect the rent, don't default the mortgages, etc. Send every adult in the US a check for $1000 (cost around $200B)... or maybe more, to take the vacation.
Oh, yeah, almost forgot, drop in a few Billion more for test kits... millions and millions of test kits... and test everyone... sick or not.
Like China did. China's rate of new cases is less than OUR rate of new cases (almost).
But there is little (other than testing) that we can do by handing out billions to health care... it's too late for that.
Karadeniz
(22,493 posts)misanthrope
(7,411 posts)who don't have the facilities to store that amount of food and goods? You going to deliver to us as needed?
Moostache
(9,895 posts)How will medicines and food and milk/water be delivered?
What about physical therapy or home health care?
For those who barely eke out an existence with help from services like Meals on Wheels, or volunteers...how are they to survive being cut-off from society?
Its one thing to suggest a massive quarantine action in the USA, but with this current federal government in charge, I guarantee you that we would have more dead from trying to slap this action together than if we had taken this seriously since November or December. We are literally stuck in the middle of a no-win scenario, and there is no chance of Captain Kirk rewriting the Kobayashi Maru simulation to rescue the ship AND save the stranded...
Trump was once a joke, then a criminal and now he is directly responsible for deaths and suffering of Americans with the potential to become the greatest mass murderer of human history if he does not stop the current shtick and get truly serious about protecting people instead of polls. How much more is the country supposed to take from this asshat?
We are utterly unprepared for a disaster on this scale and magnitude...it is as if every state is getting hit with a Katrina-level event all at once AND it is causing private sector damage as well that could fundamentally change the nation in its wake...
I have never felt so helpless for my country as I do right now...
ooky
(8,922 posts)Demobrat
(8,968 posts)My insurance company will not allow me to receive more than 30 days worth at a time. I cannot pick up medications early. What do I do if the pharmacy is closed?
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)like these 30 days don't really exist.
Your insurance company "won't allow"... so we declare a national emergency and direct the insurance and drug companies to deliver your meds to you for this "out of time" 30 day period. No charge. This one time. Insurance companies and drug companies will need to be reimbursed... so they save the invoice and submit it in 30 days to your insurance or Medicare or MEdicaid... or if no insurance, to a payment bureau the Feds set up.
How do you get your medicine or canned food? From those essential workers I mentioned, delivered to your doorstep. What about those workers... train them to be virus safe and test them frequently... like whatever cadence we need (daily? weekly?)
yeah, we sort of end up like this. OTOH, its for 30 days. Better than having 100s of thousands die... or millions... mostly older people
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Substituting one for the other
calimary
(81,198 posts)doc03
(35,324 posts)Poiuyt
(18,122 posts)Working on a health care solution to the coronavirus will only help America and the world.
See the difference?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)that money will never be paid back to social security which is just another way for the fascists to kill off SS.
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Wounded Bear
(58,637 posts)Repubs only know tax cuts.
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Prosper
(761 posts)Remember when Gordon Gekko popularized greed with Greed is Good. The right wing is expert in propaganda. Tax cuts are the rights way to impose poverty and control.
Raven123
(4,818 posts)The concept of just in time does not apply to health care. For years hospitals have staffed, supplied and planned along slim margins to avoid having excess capacity to handle problems beyond the expected annual surges in caring for flu patients. No surprise we have to play catch-up.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)for the average worker!!
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)Nobody did better to warn us about Trump than Trump himself
It was inevitable that a real crisis that would come along that he would be woefully incompetent to handle