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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou all know I'm no faan of Orangeman, but WHY is every member of the media saying we're in
this mess because of failure of leadership. I KNOW we have no leadership, but as a Country, are we that inept that we can't at least begin to prepare for what the medical community knew was coming? There's a guy on MSNBC now telling Rachel we are grossly underprepared. Not enough testing, not enough hospital beds, the list is LONG! I agree a good leader would have instructed the proper agencies to get on it, but I think there should be other leaders who should have stepped forward to get the ball rolling on the right track.
msongs
(67,398 posts)have gotten us a big head start on containment
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,633 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,633 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)private companies who are making test kits.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)and they are afraid to take a dump without His Lardship's permission.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Yes, there has been a huge lack of leadership.
at140
(6,110 posts)at the president's desk.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)When healthcare is a profit-first business, that's what happens
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)marybourg
(12,622 posts)Hekate
(90,662 posts)...and mostly for-profit.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)on giving public statements that directly contradicted what his own administration's medical experts said about the severity of this illness. He was overtly more interested in keeping "his" numbers down for political purposes than in helping the country combat this illness. Because he lied about the availability of testing. Because he himself ostentatiously ignored medical advice and has continued to do things like shaking hands (of course, he also stared at the solar eclipse with eye protection). Etc.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)RockRaven
(14,962 posts)You get this delusional sadist killing Americans by actively stopping the relevant experts from preparing, coordinating, communicating, and all-around doing their jobs, or worse when he outright eliminates their jobs.
That's why we are unprepared. And the right-wing's fellation of the unitary executive and emboldening of Trump by submitting to his every abuse and transgression means there is no available means for ANYONE who knows better to actually DO BETTER when Trump is determined to stop them.
Trump owns this entirely. AND SO DOES EVERY REPUBLICAN. They've been building up to this, brick by brick, for half a century.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,184 posts)which the Democrats have been trying to improve and the Republicans have done everything they can to dismantle the ACA, cut Medicare and Medicaid and help the FOR PROFIT system we have. Capitalism works great for some things, but healthcare isn't one of them.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Its certainly not about health.
gristy
(10,667 posts)And none of it was to be had. Because of this administration.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)No more. State governments are our only hope.
VOX
(22,976 posts)We have a ZERO functioning federal government. 45, Moscow Mitch and the entire Republican Party have slashed, cut, left posts vacant, vouchered, run up the debt to feed the wealthy effectively turning the U.S. into a shithole country.
The blame for the current state of affairs rests SOLELY with fuck-everyone-but-the-rich Republicans.
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)ReformedGOPer
(478 posts)No, me either. Pres Obama, along with his team, showed true leadership by preparing for the crises to come. We got through it because of Obama's leadership.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Not to mention supportive equipment like respirators. However, there was no funding, thus no stockpiles.
It all comes down to being underfunded. Non-profit hospitals, which service most in this country, can't do such because they don't have the means and depend on the federal government to assist them in such. There was zero assistance. Literally, zero in what should have been out preparatory phase.
Don't even get me started on the fight about testing. Some day this will all come to light and it will add yet another vile layer to the rotten onion that has been the Trump administration.
napi21
(45,806 posts)knew DT eliminated the group BO had established to fight problems like that and certainly blame him for trying to eliminate everything with Obama attached to it. but I forgot the feds fund all the extra equipment & supplies needed for an emergency. All the critics are right. This disaster IS the fault of worse than lack of leadership. It's BAD leadership!
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I respect that. I gave an honest answer.
We're in a mess, not of either of our making. We're both just doing our best to muddle through.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Now we dont expect the president to lead when we are facing a crisis? We just sort of let him off the hook for completely lying to the country and refusing to take steps that we should have?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)at Inslee and Cuomo - they are leading.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... about the lethality of the disease and then refused to correct and give guidance outside of economics going forward.
These things he did ..DIRECTLY .. by himself
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)On other people to step up.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Link to tweet
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Hekate
(90,662 posts)...the so-called Deep State. He started this on Day One. Also, he fires and persecutes anyone who disagrees with him.
Steve Bannon called it "deconstructing the administrative state" and it was a pet project of his.
For instance, Barack Obama built up two programs to be responsible for pandemic research and response. I think they were in the NIH and CDC. He put brilliant people in charge.
In 2018 Donald Trump gutted those programs, fired the scientists, and defunded them.
So when people talk about disastrous lack of leadership, they are using that as a euphemism for Trump's deliberate destruction of the federal government.
The current catastrophe is MIHOP on the part of Trump, with lots of help from the Senate Leader, Mitch McConnell.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Caliman73
(11,736 posts)States and counties can take some measures on their own, but are HEAVILY dependent on the Federal government for funding and for mandates. States rely on the CDC for accurate information on spread, patterns, tracking, movement, and other logistical data.
Why is it that States declare states of emergency during disasters? To allow them to access federal money and expertise.
As others have said, Trump cut the budgets of the very agencies that are meant to deal with situations like this. He fired the pandemic response team AND he has placed stupid sycophantic cronies in positions that should be filled by sober, professionals.
Most of large counties like New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Santa Clara, etc... are expending their resources to try to prevent the spread, but they still rely on their States to help and the states rely on the Federal government. As of now, that Federal Government is muzzled and gutted so they cannot be relied on. Smaller counties and state even, do not have the resources to cope.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)and then never filled the positions. Or, he hired people like you and me to the job of those officials. Speaking for myself, I dont have a clue about medical shit. How about you?
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Leadership is top-down and Federal leadership is key to all, whether we like it or not. The same (and in parallel) applies to leadership in major business groups such as banking.
Example 1:
Republicans, whether local city or in the U.S. Congress, follow religiously in lockstep with Trump and the right-wing bureaucracy across the board. For example, it's known that many Rethug governors are following Trump's quenching of public info and his down-playing of the seriousness of this crisis.
Example 2:
Our legislature in KY is totally Rethug controlled which seriously limits what our new Democratic governor can do, although he is trying and is setting a great example. This is the case in several states and Rethug legislators morbidly fear upper level Party leadership and right-wing media.
Example 3:
Unfettered, poorly regulated capitalism has closed hundreds of small local clinics and hospitals around the nation due to M&A and gutting of local, state and federal tax bases across the board. Many locations that were operating break-even or at a slight loss were closed because profits were low despite crucial social functionality. Our general public has become completely enamored with the stock market (rather than savings accounts) so everything having to be at a profit is now OK.
Example 4;
The ultra-wealthy, corporate leaders and Federal politicians are mostly shielded from the effects of public disaster and their wealth is always hedged against losses. Therefore, it's easy for them to care only about profits and disregard social consequeces.
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Civil preparedness is a non-profit function. So, our unpreparedness goes back to decades of tax and civil agency cutting from top to bottom and the destruction of the foundations of government by Republicans.
That's been with us so long now, the public perceives it as normal and the right way.
KY rant done......
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)and that came from the top
yesterday we installed flight restrictions...but excluded flights which were convenient to Trump properties in europe
someone in the administration decided that coronavirus briefings should be classified..
that is the leadership we have...and that is why he is being blamed