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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone have advice for cleaning N95 masks?, usually single use but that's out the window
I have ideas but accurate info is in short supply.
mrs_p
(3,014 posts)Since I work with lots of infectious diseases.
I dont know how to clean them because you really are not supposed to - they are to be discarded.
Any advice you get on how to clean them here will not be accurate information
Also, if you havent been fitted for one you are wearing, it may not be helping you at all. I have to be fitted yearly to make sure I have the right style for my face.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)hlthe2b
(102,228 posts)Not to mention self-contamination from handling it. It could be a constant source of contamination sitting there and even though you might put it in a plastic bag left open to dry, the possibility of its being picked up by others, or your picking up at a contaminated area when redonning are significant. Further, the interior of the mask could get contaminated in the process, actually increasing your risk, since it is directly to your mouth and nose.
That said, all you could do is try to let it dry and be exceedingly cautious in redonning. But, for all the resons mentioned this is why it is not recommended. Sort of like trying to convince yourself that you can use an unopened needle that dropped in a contaminated area of the table. Yeah, the interior of the needle might still be sterile, but the odds of not conveying contamination picking it up to use it are slim.
They are single-use only and biohazard.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Very little aerosol, except in some medical procedures like intubation, where it is good. Intubate much?
I will not be wearing one, but I will stand two metres (yards) away from people when talking out in public to avoid sprayed spittle.
The virus gathers on the surface of the mask because it is a filter.
You will be much safer NOT TOUCHING YOUR FACE and WASHING your hands frequently with SOAP (hand cleaner not nearly as good).
It is a contact virus. Someone wipes their nose absentmindedly and opens a door. Three people open the door no problems because they don't touch their face. Fourth one gets it on their hand and absentmindedly touches the corner of their mouth. Booom!
If you really have to re-use one, you could try steaming it for 20 minutes (guessing) or microwaving on high for 2 minutes (guessing).
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Virus is spread primarily via respiratory droplets and close contact. Respiratory droplets-got it?
"Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the causative agent of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19), is presumed to spread primarily via respiratory droplets and close contact."
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0412_article
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Droplets are not aerosol. Contact means actual touching, transferring by contact with hands to face primarily.
https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/ highlights CDC (and other health authorities) recommend healthy people NOT wear masks
By Mandy Oaklander
March 4, 2020
As the new coronavirus COVID-19 spreads in the U.S., people who are well want to stay that way. But since no vaccines are currently available, the strongest weapons Americans have are basic preventive measures like hand-washing and sanitizing surfaces, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The simplicity of those recommendations is likely unsettling to people anxious to do more to protect themselves, so its no surprise that face masks are in short supplydespite the CDC specifically not recommending them for healthy people trying to protect against COVID-19. It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put somethingwhether its a scarf or a maskin front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there, says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: thats not effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, the CDC would have recommended it years ago, he says. It doesnt, because it makes science-based recommendations.
Masks are good for medical personnel but even there the CDC has relaxed guidelines.
Although masks help contain the virus within infected people wearing a mask, those infected people should NOT be out and about.
librechik
(30,674 posts)"The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 can survive in the air for several hours in fine particles known as aerosols, according to preliminary research.
The coronavirus, which causes the respiratory infection COVID-19, can be detected up to 3 hours after aerosolization and can infect cells throughout that time period, the study authors found. However, the study, first posted March 10 is preliminary.."
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html
Better safe than sorry and assume it's floating in the air around you-- we are truly fucked.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)But you are right, should have included that. I just don't like the word "Unlikely"
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)at UCSF (Univ CA at San Francisco) with these participants:
Panelists
Joe DeRisi: UCSFs top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic.
Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics
Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist.
Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist.
Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc
They said:
Three routes of infection
Hand to mouth / face
Aerosol transmission
Fecal oral route
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html
The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 can survive in the air for several hours in fine particles known as aerosols, according to preliminary research.
The coronavirus, which causes the respiratory infection COVID-19, can be detected up to 3 hours after aerosolization and can infect cells throughout that time period, the study authors found. However, the study, first posted March 10 on the preprint database medRxiv, is still preliminary, because it has not undergone extensive peer-review. The authors did receive comments from one prospective scientific journal, and posted an updated version of the study on March 13 reflecting the revisions.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)In health-care they do some aerosol generating procedures like intubuation. Do you intubate much?
Here is the key subheadline:
However, it's unlikely that the virus would spread in this way beyond health care settings.
This is why CDC guidance is to not wear a mask, to wash with SOAP, and AVOID TOUCHING FACE.
See my post #14 in this thread
moonscape
(4,673 posts)agenda or investment. It was only a comment about your bolded 'NOT' an aerosol.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Danascot
(4,690 posts)I would soak it in a solution of water and detergent. The exterior shell of this corona virus is composed of fat and is readily dissolved by soap. That's one of the reasons why hand washing is so important.
After the detergent soak, I would soak it in plain water to rinse, then hang it up to dry or gently dry it with a hair dryer. As a last step I would spray it with alcohol from a spray bottle to destroy any other lurking bad stuff
Just a suggestion.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)First, saturate it in isopropyl.
Then, strike a lighter and move the flame across the entire exterior and interior surface.
Thatll take care of it.
mrs_p
(3,014 posts)Seriously, though, please OP dont try to reuse them.
If you are very worried, keep distance from people. Order your groceries and have them left on the porch (if you can). Wash hands, wash hands, wash hands, dont touch face, do not touch your face, your face dont touch.
I wish you all well and good health!
You will infect yourself.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Are answered reliably by strangers using pseudonyms.
I have published peer reviewed research on bacteria and viruses.
Worked in clean rooms with laminar flow hoods.
And you?
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sl8
(13,748 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)Maybe it would fit. Just close the lid and come back later for clean PAP equipment.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Bleach wash as needed?
Shoot holes in the idea, tis OK.
gab13by13
(21,312 posts)for my c-pap equipment. Just wondering if that would work?