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Hotler

(11,412 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:32 AM Mar 2020

Be careful my friends, assholes walk among us and...

they have conceal carry or, just carry anyway. Things are going to get ugly in the stores. Some of us don't back down from a fight but, it might be wise to stop and take a second before we open our mouth to reply to some asshole. They may have a gun.
Be safe, be well and wash your hands.

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Be careful my friends, assholes walk among us and... (Original Post) Hotler Mar 2020 OP
That's one of my biggest fears Rorey Mar 2020 #1
Remember: an armed society is a polite society. Swede Mar 2020 #2
armed and infectious. That's a bad combo. librechik Mar 2020 #3
If they adhere to their CCW training you have nothing to fear Shermann Mar 2020 #4
Yeah. All the gun nuts are paragons of responsibility. Squinch Mar 2020 #5
That's a big if. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #6
This is a kind of false dichotomy Shermann Mar 2020 #7
The OP did not propose irrational fear. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #10
I'm going to make a prediction! Shermann Mar 2020 #15
The OP is not only talking about Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #16
Yeah they were just sort of lumped in, weren't they? Shermann Mar 2020 #40
With a bit of luck, you'll probably be right. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #26
BS. What kind of person straps on a gun or two to go to store? Hoyt Mar 2020 #12
... greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #31
Don't go thinking all people who own guns are right wing nuts Chainfire Mar 2020 #8
All gunners say that right before pulling the trigger or intimidating someone. Hoyt Mar 2020 #13
You ever walk into a store with a concealed shotgun? erlewyne Mar 2020 #21
Not yet Chainfire Mar 2020 #24
Like 92% of populace, never felt need to walk in a store, on city streets, etc., with any gun. Hoyt Mar 2020 #25
Good for you Chainfire Mar 2020 #32
Oh, that is funny. erlewyne Mar 2020 #34
Using the term "All" Chainfire Mar 2020 #30
Have known lots of gun-strokers. They all say they are well trained, more polite when toting, etc. Hoyt Mar 2020 #36
Tell me Chainfire Mar 2020 #35
Chainfire, my experience leads me to believe that anyone who routinely straps on a gun or two Hoyt Mar 2020 #38
OMG Kali Mar 2020 #39
Well said Shermann Mar 2020 #14
Fiream restrictions and proposed laws land very far from your situation. lambchopp59 Mar 2020 #22
I can't wait for the first Toilet Paper Shooting! Dread Pirate Roberts Mar 2020 #9
How about assholes who show up to work BusyBeingBest Mar 2020 #11
Yes, it appears the Pendejo Virus is pandemic among those yet unaffected by Coronavirus. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #17
Deplorables have concealed carry of Covid-19 and are happy to spread it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #18
The assholes think it's a free vacation. Initech Mar 2020 #20
They might not, but their mother might or their boss might or their parole officer might. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #27
Yeah this is fucking scary. Initech Mar 2020 #19
I sure hope it doesn't come to that. But... totodeinhere Mar 2020 #23
Especially in this state, they keep making it easier and easier to carry here. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #28
You know it's going to happen: People die in stores on thanksgiving, what, every year? lindysalsagal Mar 2020 #29
Yep. Controlling one's mouth is always a good piece of advice. ooky Mar 2020 #33
And many of them vote. lpbk2713 Mar 2020 #37

Shermann

(7,411 posts)
4. If they adhere to their CCW training you have nothing to fear
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:17 AM
Mar 2020

And the vast majority have no desire to lose their permits forever and in fact do.

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
6. That's a big if.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:27 AM
Mar 2020

Across this nation, there are countless incidents every day in which tempers flare and fists fly. Bar fights, road rage incidents, etc. etc. In those moments, people lose their self-control.

When people are packing a gun and not just a fist, those momentary losses of control may be deadly. I'd much rather people follow the OP's advice for avoiding confrontation than trust their lives to a stranger's desire to retain his permit.

Shermann

(7,411 posts)
7. This is a kind of false dichotomy
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

You can avoid confrontation while at the same time not have irrational fear of CCW holders.

Shermann

(7,411 posts)
15. I'm going to make a prediction!
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:25 PM
Mar 2020

The number of instances of unjustified deadly force being used by CCW holders as a direct result of this pandemic in the US:

ZERO

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
26. With a bit of luck, you'll probably be right.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:29 PM
Mar 2020

If I had to bet, I'd bet that no one, as a direct result of this pandemic, and in the US, will meet the fate of Trayvon Martin.

Or of other notable victims, like that young husband and father who was shot a couple of years ago in a movie theater, in an argument stemming from his use of a cell phone to text his five-year-old daughter. Or the middle-aged dad who was shot awhile back in front of his young son in a convenience store parking lot, in an argument about the use of a handicapped parking space.

These are extremely isolated incidents. The truth is that concealed-carry permit holders almost never shoot you for arguing with them, and that very, very few of them go out in public looking for an excuse to use their weapon. But to pretend (and assume) that every permit holder is a steely-eyed paragon of reserve and restraint is as absurd as pretending that they're all dangerously-unhinged homicidal maniacs.

I'll continue to endorse the OP's advice to exercise caution, rather than place blind trust in the restraint and good judgement of strangers that one meets. At the link below, you can find extensive statistics and details on about a thousand permit holders who proved unworthy of such blind trust:

http://concealedcarrykillers.org/

This is clearly an organization with an ax to grind, and with a stance that runs counter to your own. For that reason, you may find it galling, and I apologize in advance for that. It is not my intention to antagonize, but to inform - and the case information presented on the website is accurate and factual.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
8. Don't go thinking all people who own guns are right wing nuts
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

I live in the second most violent country, in the second most violent state in the Union. I live here because I live on land that has been in the family for generations and I love the ground. My county is also the second poorest county in the state. Because of that, we have second class law enforcement; It is all the people can afford. I live twelve miles from the nearest town, it can take the Sheriff's department two hours to respond to an emergency call if they are tied up on another emergency on the other side of the county. In the last 20 years there have been two drug related murders within 1000 yards of my house. That is a hell of a lot of murders in a rural area. Like many poor Southern rural areas meth use is an epidemic and a booming business. Meth users can be very violent and very unpredictable.

I am a card holding Die-hard Democrat, from and old family of Yellow Dog Democrats. I am politically and socially liberal to the core. I haven't had a physical altercation since I was about 12 years old. (an angry wrestling match with my best friend) I would rather cut my hand off than to send the NRA a penny.

I carry a concealed weapon, because I consider it prudent to protect myself and my family. I am well trained and well practiced and I hope that I can finish the rest of my long life without ever having anyone know that there is a gun under my shirt. Sometimes you have to make a decision as to whether you prefer to be a hammer or a nail. I am neither proud of or ashamed of carrying a firearm.

Liberals, above all people should know better than to try to paint all people with the same brush.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. All gunners say that right before pulling the trigger or intimidating someone.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:10 PM
Mar 2020
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. Like 92% of populace, never felt need to walk in a store, on city streets, etc., with any gun.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:28 PM
Mar 2020

But, yeah, a concealed shotgun would make one look like Chester from Gun Smoke.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
30. Using the term "All"
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:32 PM
Mar 2020

To equate my explanation with the people in the photo only shows that you are as bad as those jokers are. Radicalism on either end of a spectrum is ignorant and dangerous.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. Have known lots of gun-strokers. They all say they are well trained, more polite when toting, etc.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:44 PM
Mar 2020

I'm sorry, but ALL I've met were pretty sick individuals.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
35. Tell me
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:42 PM
Mar 2020

Tell me how carrying a concealed weapon is intended to intimidate. Do you not understand the term "concealed?" Do you think that the people in your photo are carrying those weapons concealed?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. Chainfire, my experience leads me to believe that anyone who routinely straps on a gun or two
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020

to walk out the door, has a problem(s) and would be better off just staying home surrounded by their gunz.

There may be a few exceptions, but doesn't sound like you qualify for those.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
39. OMG
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020

weird optical illusion with that bozo's arm and the blue shirt woman's leg

of course now that I see it is his arm, I can't make it go back to whatever the fuck I was looking at

Shermann

(7,411 posts)
14. Well said
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

The practice of singling out innocent groups and making unsubstantiated generalizations for the purpose of fear mongering is best left to the right wingers. It is not befitting for the left.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
22. Fiream restrictions and proposed laws land very far from your situation.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:26 PM
Mar 2020

Remote western U.S. desert living also mandates the need for armed protection as well as hunting. I seriously doubt most of the ex-military and fellow rural Democrats here or elsewhere have any totalitarian ideas about disarming citizens. I do, however worry about drug gangs easy access to entire arsenals of assault weapons. I also worry about a particular subset of Trumpers: and I'll tell the story:
One day in a rural western community there were 15 or so dog owners who brought their pups out for play and doggie socialization on a nice spring day. So nice out everyone was taking their time enjoying the weather while it held. It all went sour quickly when someone all too decked in cowboy drag brought his dog in, packing bilateral pistols. Loudmouth cowboy had the park emptied and all to himself and his pup in about 5 minutes:
Interrupting and dominating all other conversation at the main picnic table area, paraphrased: "Ah carry two papers with me whereever I go" (pulls a mini-bible and a worn, folded paper from his front pocket) " the Byble and the constitootion. And it's mah sworn duty to make sure everyone in this country is a patriot and not a damn, worthless, piece of shit liberal. I swore an oath when I was in the Ah-mee to defend this nation against all enemies, fer-enn and domestic"
Nearly everyone hearing Loudmouth here started gathering their pups. I had no aspersions to discuss anything with this Yosemite Sam myself, and called over my Yellow Lab to go.
So not only was the WTF is this Yahoo think he's defending? Going to shoot someone else's pup? It got worse, as he started questioning individuals whether or not they voted for Trump.
Within 5 minutes he had the whole park to himself. I wonder about those who actually go to shop in stores packing heat. Or ignoring the signs at the front entrance of our hospital to please disarm yourself and leave firearms in your vehicle in this sanctuary of life.
There are the majority of citizens who have no issues with 2nd amendment rights, within reason. And then there are the nitwit gun nuts like loudmouth cowboy. He didn't do support of the 2nd amendment any favors that day.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
9. I can't wait for the first Toilet Paper Shooting!
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:57 AM
Mar 2020

You know it's coming! Give me that Charmin or I'll blow you away!

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
11. How about assholes who show up to work
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:07 PM
Mar 2020

and cough all day long alongside their colleagues because they don't want to use their PTO for "just a cough" and don't want to pay the deductible to get checked out by a doctor? Speaking of assholes I may or may not know of...

Initech

(100,060 posts)
20. The assholes think it's a free vacation.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:24 PM
Mar 2020

I've been seeing this talking point going around. Well when they get sick and die from this, it will be their funeral too.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
23. I sure hope it doesn't come to that. But...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:28 PM
Mar 2020

even before this pandemic we had to worry about some right wing extremist getting a gun and mowing down a bunch of innocent people. But you are right. Now it could get even worse.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
28. Especially in this state, they keep making it easier and easier to carry here.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:31 PM
Mar 2020

Plus I have never seen so many pissed off white guys running around.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
29. You know it's going to happen: People die in stores on thanksgiving, what, every year?
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:32 PM
Mar 2020

And there's certainly no threat of reduced merchandise....

ooky

(8,922 posts)
33. Yep. Controlling one's mouth is always a good piece of advice.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:40 PM
Mar 2020

Especially in a gun humping society.

But anywhere, why can't we all just get along?

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