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Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:23 AM Mar 2020

So, it seems to me that a capacity solution is obvious.

Hospitals need to quickly add capacity. The Corps of Engineers need not build new buildings.

Thousands of schools are closed. Why not equip these buildings with beds and equipment (no small task in either scenario). Schools have hvac, kitchens, bathrooms, and other infrastructure. It is a start.

Don't get me wrong. I don't pretend that temporary provisioning of equipment and staff will not be the hard part. Why delay the whole process while substandard buildings or tents are erected.

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So, it seems to me that a capacity solution is obvious. (Original Post) Thunderbeast Mar 2020 OP
good idea, the elementary school a block from me is empty for a month tho we have a low count so far msongs Mar 2020 #1
Gov Newsome of CA already said he will use hotels if needed BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #2
Hotels that meet the requirements. Igel Mar 2020 #6
I have permanent respiratory damage from the air conditioning in BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #7
+1. yonder Mar 2020 #8
Triages, isn't that what they are called? Jamastiene Mar 2020 #3
I saw some politician recommending using the Corps. captain queeg Mar 2020 #4
They called it a hospital canetoad Mar 2020 #9
I said the same thing radical noodle Mar 2020 #5

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
2. Gov Newsome of CA already said he will use hotels if needed
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:37 AM
Mar 2020

but this was before schools were closed. If schools are closed until Summer they should use them since they are already govt owned and it won't harm the hotels.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
6. Hotels that meet the requirements.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:11 AM
Mar 2020

Hence schools are ruled out.

One of the requirements is that the HVAC doesn't just pick up or easily allow the air from one room to pass into another room or area. So many hotels are like this: Each room has its own heating and cooling system, pulling in air from outside and returning it outside.

Most schools have central cooling and heating systems that pull in air from outside and distribute it throughout the building. So my classroom has vents which force cool air (or warm air) into the room and out the door into the halls, where it gets pulled into exhaust vents. If you're in my classroom and coughing, that virus will be sucked into the hall for anybody who wanders by to run into, and (if I remember correctly) that virus will have to go 20 or 30 feet down the hall in one direction to be picked up (or maybe it'll go entirely or partially in the other direction--depends on airflow).

Since my building has clerestories and I'm on the second floor, it's also possible for air from my room to be pulled to the first floor.

There may be some schools built in such a way that every room has its own intake and exhaust. I think I've seen schools like that in fairly rural Arizona.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
7. I have permanent respiratory damage from the air conditioning in
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:38 AM
Mar 2020

my classroom. It was built as the neighborhood realtors' offices and meant to be temporary but the cheap school district tried to keep it and put air conditioning in it. By the time I moved into that room the ceiling tiles and walls were stained brown and the tiles buckled from the weight of stagnant water that had been in there for years. My students and I were showing each other how to use inhalers since we were all sick within 3 weeks. The school district gave me a fan and a can of Lysol and told me to keep the door closed, there were no windows. All 8 rooms were in one building with shared walls and no hallway. My room was the worst by far and had a history of illness I found out later. I was out sick so much I finally went to my union and within a week I was called and told not to return to school, they were demolishing the entire building and replacing it with a new, portable one that was safe.

I see what you mean about shared/recirculated air. I have been sick with everything under the sun since that happened.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
3. Triages, isn't that what they are called?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:41 AM
Mar 2020

Sounds like a good idea, if this thing doesn't wipe us all out. They can just disinfect the places and things can go back to normal, if things are ever going to go back to normal. I don't see why America didn't plan. Well, I do. It's called the Trump Administration. Still, it wouldn't hurt to have thinking people in charge at the local level. I can count that out in my hometown.

captain queeg

(10,183 posts)
4. I saw some politician recommending using the Corps.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:50 AM
Mar 2020

The built a hospital in China in 10 days I think. I doubt the Corps could pull that off

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