Heat Has NO IMPACT on COVID-19

[LovingA2andMI]

The New York Times World Map proves this....

Brazil 300+ Cases
Argentina 68 Cases
South Africa 62 Cases
Australia 400+ Cases

Again, heat has NO IMPACT on this virus. Each of these places are WARM and HOT all year long.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

[evertonfc]

1. NYC has more cases than those combined

[LovingA2andMI]

4. The question is HOW LONG has the disease been spreading...

In each of these locations? What is the testing protocol? If it's similar to the United States, each of these WARMER CLIMATE countries are way behind. Australia has large areas of nothing land - bush to be exact. We have no idea. New Zealand with 12 cases thus far is in the Summer Season. China was not cold during the December initial appearance and Jan, Feb spread.

The point is COVID-19 does NOT DIE by HEAT. That is the point this map totally proves whether you choose to believe it or bury your head in the sand.

Brazil 300+ Cases
Argentina 68 Cases
South Africa 62 Cases
Australia 400+ Cases

Again, heat has NO IMPACT on this virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

[misanthrope]

14. Are those Brazilian cases in Rio?

They just finished Carnival season, which draws hordes of international tourists.

[LovingA2andMI]

17. The Map Says..

It's in many parts of Brazil at this point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Brazil

[malaise]

27. I suspect that Brazil's numbers are higher because

of Carnival - my bet is that tourists took it there

[Talitha]

2. But.. but... hair shitler said it would go away when it warmed up in April...

[jberryhill]

3. Each of those places receives many foreign visitors

The jury is out on this one.

Simply having cases in the places you list proves nothing about whether warm weather and/or more sunlight does not does not have a significant impact.

And, clearly, you’ve never been skiing in Argentina during their winter.

Welcome to Las Lenas, Argentina:

[southerncrone]

5. If you look at a current map of cases in the US, most are in the larger cities with the propencity

of having travelers. The states with few or no cases are states with poorer populations that do not have that many travelers, coming or going. Many of the earliest cases were from airline travelers who had been out of the country. Now it is from those who traveled to, or from, one of the larger cities in the US. Air travel seems to be the original vehicle of transmission.

[pstokely]

6. what is their population density?

compared to San Fran and NYC which also receive many foreign visitors

[Rstrstx]

8. Buenos Aires is pretty dense

The rest of Argentina not so much. Last I heard they've closed their borders and the whole country is on lockdown. Plus they're heading into Autumn there (yes, they do have seasons, at least by Southern Hemisphere standards).

[jberryhill]

25. Sao Paulo, Brazil?

São Paulo - 12M - that’s more people in one city than in New York City’s five boroughs.

[Aquaria]

35. Wrong

New York has 19.44 million people.

Really.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/new-york-population/

[jberryhill]

36. Fixed it

Apparently I had retrieved the population for NYC which has fewer people in a larger area.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

16. the Grotesque Orange Pustule thought covid19 is like the flu ...

The flu gets transmitted by groups of people breathing the same air. When it's cold, they bunch up indoors; when it's warm, they go out and spread out.

The coronavirus does not depend on the same mechanisms for transmission as influenza. This is beyond the comprehension of Hair Twitler.

[Aquaria]

34. But it's not winter in Argentina now

It's summer.

Here's how it's looked while COVID-19 spreads:

[jberryhill]

37. Yes, that's the point

And with a population of 45 million people, a dense urban capital, and a vibrant tourism sector, they seem to have a relatively low number of cases. Why this is, remains to be seen.

[COLGATE4]

7. Argentina and Brazil are most definitely NOT

"warm and hot all year long". Check your facts first.

[SCantiGOP]

10. All of those places have been very warm

Cause it has been summer there. They are just going into Fall.

[COLGATE4]

40. My point was that they do not have "warm and hot" climate

the year round. I know they can be warm in their summer (our winter) - I worked in that area for years.

[LovingA2andMI]

11. Okay, here we go...

Brazil Weather Average Temps (Jan, February, March):

Weather in January
January is usually the hottest month of the year in Rio de Janeiro, as the average high temperature climbs to 30°C (86°F). The days are hot, while the nights are warm and humid. Weather in January »

Weather in February
February is the sunniest month of the year in Rio de Janeiro with average temperatures in the 23.3°C (73.9°F) to 30°C (86°F) range. The nights are warm and the days routinely go past 32.2°C (90°F). Weather in February »

Weather in March
March has warm and muggy weather in Rio de Janeiro as the city receives 134.6mm (5.3&quot of rain. The average temperatures are in the 23.3°C (73.9°F) to 29.4°C (84.9°F) range. Weather in March »

https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/brazil/rio-de-janeiro-climate#climate_text_5

NEXT Argentina...
Argentina Weather Average Temps (Jan, February, March):

Weather in January
The temperatures are high in January and set a warm mood for the year. Ranging between 20°C (68°F) and 29°C (84.2°F) the temperatures make a perfect time for a swim. Weather in January »

Weather in February
The temperatures in Buenos Aires are friendly, ranging between 19°C (66.2°F) and 25°C (77°F), warm enough for any outdoor activities. Weather in February »

Weather in March
March is the transitional month between summer and autumn and is characterized by temperatures ranging between 18°C (64.4°F) and 26.8°C (80.2°F). Weather in March »

https://www.weather-arg.com/en/argentina/buenos-aires-climate

AGAIN -- it is WARM and HOT in Brazil and Argentina RIGHT NOW and COVID-19 is Spreading in BOTH COUNTRIES.

Look at the MAP: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

Thanks for playing, however this VIRUS is deadly and have no time for games.

[jberryhill]

26. And tell me about Tampa, Florida in comparison

I’ve been in Mar Del Plata in the colder months, and it dips into the 30’s.

[BGBD]

9. That's really

anecdotal at best. You could find a few thousand cases of Flu in the United States in the middle of summer if you looked.

It seems pretty clear to me that the Northern Hemisphere is being much more affected than the Southern Hemisphere right now. There could be a lot of reasons for that, and seasonality could be one of them. Most human coronavirus are seasonal, but zoonotic coronavirus like SARS didn't seem to have that, and their peaks went right through the heart of summer. So, it's hard to say. We're probably better off if it isn't seasonal though.

[LovingA2andMI]

12. If it makes one feel better....

The map says otherwise.

[LanternWaste]

63. Is that a measured and tested hypothesis or a spurious correllation?

[meadowlander]

15. That's because the people who fly on planes tend to be richer

and richer people tend to be from the Northern Hemisphere. And the only way Covid-19 jumps from Wuhan to Italy or America or anywhere else thousands of miles away in less than a month is by plane.

Wait a year and we'll have better data on whether climate has any impact.

[BGBD]

21. Rich people don't

Fly to Bondi in the middle of Australian Summer? How about Rio or Sao Paulo?

Plenty of southern hemisphere countries have cases, but so far I see no explosions like in several places in the NH. Like I said, there could be a lot of reasons for that from seasonality to general lack of testing in poorer counties. However, a few hundred known cases in Brazil or Australia doesn't disprove seasonality.

Trump has no idea what he's talking about, but that doesn't mean anything to the virus either.

I'm not even saying it's seasonal, only that we don't know if it is or not.

[meadowlander]

22. I'm talking about averages across the population.

And I agree - the virus hasn't been around enough and we haven't done enough reliable testing to say who actually has it where or how it will behave.

My point was that the reason more people in the Northern Hemisphere have it is because more people in the Northern Hemisphere fly and planes are the primary way that the virus makes a big jump from one geographic area to another in a short period of time.

[Aquaria]

42. Most Northern Hemisphere countries

Where the virus has spread has higher population densities than the Southern Hemisphere countries.

Brazil has some cities that are high density, but then massive areas that are isolated, too. Same with Australia.

What matters with the spread of COVID doesn't seem related to weather, but to government/public health response.

Singapore is barely 1˚ north, and has very warm weather, year round, with "winter" temperatures in the mid to upper 80s or higher, most days. They've had 266 COVID-19 cases, which is a low number given their population size and density; however, the reason the virus hasn't taken off there has zero to do with the weather, and everything to do with their government pursuing an aggressive response thanks to lessons learned from a SARS outbreak in the 2000s. They learned from that not to dither around with testing, and to get as many people tested, as soon as possible. They built isolation hospitals and people who test positive with or without symptoms get sent to those locations right away. People who have been exposed to those who test positive but haven't shown symptoms get quarantined. And the government doesn't fuck around with enforcing that quarantine. If you don't respond to a text to confirm your location every single day, the government comes down on you like a ton of bricks. For everyone else, social distancing is drummed into their heads with constant government messaging. It's relentless. If someone gets sick at a restaurant or bar because social distancing rules weren't enforced, the government puts that establishment under lockdown. That's like the kiss of death for those businesses, so call it an incentive to enforce the social distancing rules.

Those measures, not the weather, is why Singapore has gotten a handle on their COVID-19 outbreak.

https://theconversation.com/why-singapores-coronavirus-response-worked-and-what-we-can-all-learn-134024

[BGBD]

50. Seasonality

has more to do with humidity than temperature. Secondly, we have seen diseases that we know exhibit seasonality behave differently as a pandemic disease. Look at how the 2009 pandemic H1N1 strain took off during late April and May in the United States.

As far a population density, there are some very dense populations in South America. Lima, Rio and Santiago come to mind aside from Bogota which is north of the equator.

Again though, I'm not saying there is seasonality or even if there is that it would act the same as an emerging pandemic disease than it would as an endemic one. I'm just saying we don't have enough information to say one way or the other, but there is certainly some evidence to consider that it might be.

I'm watching Rio. We know they have cases and they proceeded with Carnival where transmission would have been very easy. If there were cases in the slums of Rio it would spread incredibly quickly through the packed and unsanitary conditions there. However, we also know that the leader in Brazil is essentially a nationalist strongman, so there is certainly the potential that the number of cases there is being suppressed through either lack of testing or simply covering up the cases. It's not lost on me that it was a member of the Brazilian delegation that had potentially infected the President just a few weeks ago.

[Vivienne235729]

56. +1000

[meadowlander]

13. Also, you know, Wuhan

where it was in the 70s for a good chunk of February.

[LovingA2andMI]

18. Thanks for the information....

Gasping the seriousness of COVID-19 is going to be HARD for some but we have to do it -- as doing so will SAVE LIVES!

[jberryhill]

28. Get a grip on yourself

No one on this thread is jetting off to Sydney to try to escape the virus.

[crimycarny]

19. Jury is still out

I’ll listen to the scientists first and they say the jury is still out on that. Everyone bitching about Trump not listening to scientists...well, let’s do the same.

Everyone needs to be very concerned, treat this seriously, and take all precautions. But let’s stop with the proclamations about this virus with anecdotal evidence. That’s just as bad IMO.

[LovingA2andMI]

20. If it makes you feel better....

Do what you will.

[jberryhill]

38. No one is making travel plans

It is unknown whether there will be a respite in the summer. Speculating on whether there will be is not endangering anyone.

[crimycarny]

51. Here's what I'm doing

1) Staying calm
2) Not hoarding food so that those who need it most can get it
3) Checking on my elderly neighbors and going to the store to get them supplies if they need it
4) Only going out when I need to and making sure to wash my hands often
5) Making sure my whole family does the same

All of the above is what makes me feel better.

[LovingA2andMI]

53. Good....

And the numbers are -- as we type 9442 cases and 154 deaths. Heat or cold as no impact on COVID-19 as the map confirms: https://infection2020.com/

Stay safe.

[crimycarny]

60. Actual scientific data--jury is still out

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/coronavirus-does-warm-weather-slow-spread-virus-maybe/UZQ4XTXWMRHVTLGN5WN5O6OL4U/

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615381/coronavirus-spread-could-slow-with-warmer-weather/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-outbreak-will-it-go-away-in-summer-expert-weighs-in/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=84582381&fbclid=IwAR1GfeeW-myfst-wzIOSRhjB8vNS1tD1iDqm8RebfUW37vcbnzE1GZAYcZw

Bottom line, no one knows. It's not going to change anything I do to make sure I don't spread the disease, but I'm going to listen to what the scientists and researchers say and not draw conclusions based on anything else.

[LovingA2andMI]

61. Okay...

Do that.

We'll keep looking at the map: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[crimycarny]

62. sigh--whatever

Keep looking at your map, I'll keep listening to WHO and others who are knowledgeable on the subject.

[RhodeIslandOne]

23. It's March

It will not be warm enough anytime soon.

[bronxiteforever]

29. +1 average high in New York City doesn't hit 80f

until June. We have a long long way to go even if heat slows it down.

[crimycarny]

52. Exactly

And that is why I'm not banking on heat killing the virus. At the same time I'm interested in what this virus does, how it reacts, etc. Whether the heat will kill it or not is simply another data point to me, nothing that will change what I'm doing.

Understanding this virus is key to scientists unlocking it's code, making it easier to fight. For example, why does it affect the elderly but not the very young (in general)? Normally you will see both groups as the most vulnerable due to immature immunity (kids) or weakened immunity (elderly). But not with this virus--why? Theories are that young kids get hit with so many coronaviruses due to day care, school, etc. that they have built up an immunity. Again, theory but something that may help scientists figure this virus out.

But when you say "it's mostly hitting the elderly" some (not all) extrapolate that to not caring about elderly dying. That is not the case at all---it's important to UNDERSTAND this virus. Just because some note that this virus seems to be hitting the elderly hard doesn't mean they don't care since it may not effect them. And just because some (like me) are watching to see if higher temperatures will slow down this virus doesn't mean I'm any less cautious.

[Brainfodder]

24. If POTUS God Bestest Almighty said it...

I know it's practically an e-sport making fun of and/or pointing out every stupid thing this
Infinite Asshole does/says/tweets.

We will need a break, this is going to run long now and suck suck suck for a whole bunch of us.

Good Luck!

I hope Jared is executed for this $tunt, I really do.
[OSCAR delayed testing BS]
This will probably have cost thousands their lives, just his 1, is a start at healing!

[rampartc]

30. that was always magical wishful thinking

[no_hypocrisy]

31. So much for the optimistic proclamation that this will have a summer vacation.

[sunnybrook]

32. The experts don't know this yet

I saw them talking about it recently and they said it is unclear if it will behave like Ebola or normal flu, which lessens in warm weather and returns in fall. You sound so 100% sure but that's NOT a definitive fact. We don't know that yet.

[Aquaria]

33. I've been saying that for a while

Wuhan is on roughly the same latitude as Los Angeles, Austin, Baton Rouge, Biloxi, Mobile, and Tallahassee. Y'all got any idea what winters are like in those places? People from the Midwest or New England would call it spring.

COVID-19 has spread to Nigeria, for crying out loud, which has weather that qualifies as year-round summer.

Weather won't save us. This virus does not give a shit about climate or season. It only cares about finding a new host to spread to.

[LovingA2andMI]

54. THIS....

Weather won't save us. This virus does not give a shit about climate or season. It only cares about finding a new host to spread to.

Thank You!!!!

[jimmy the one]

39. What about Rain

Does rain wash away & cleanse outside surfaces such as cars, handrails, doors and doorknobs, outside equipment, mailboxes, park swings & seesaws? or does it spread it more? seems like the former to me, thus perhaps making sense to do outside chores & shopping shortly after a rain, or maybe even during it.
Combine with early morning shopping might be the best approach.

[milestogo]

41. How about snow?

Its snowing in Wisconsin this morning.

[jberryhill]

43. What about hail?

[milestogo]

46. What about hurricanes?

I've heard they wipe out everything.

[jberryhill]

47. What about love?

Don't you want someone to care about you?

[milestogo]

48. Love actually spreads viruses.

[Sunsky]

44. Over 200 known cases in Florida

Mostly in Broward and Miami-Dade. We've been in the mid 80s- 90s most days. It's definitely spreading in hot temperatures. However, the colder climate may have a higher rate of spread. I'm not sure of the data on that.


Due to the limited testing being done, it's suspected that the numbers are many times higher than what's recorded.

[Roland99]

45. It's 98.6F inside the body

[LovingA2andMI]

55. Good Point...

Thanks for making it.

[NurseJackie]

49. I always believed that the reason colds and flu spread more easily in cold weather...

... was because we're huddled together in warm/closed-in buildings and homes. It wasn't the cold itself that made the illnesses easier to contract or spread, just our lifestyle when it's cold outside.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

57. Not totally true. Adequate heat will neutralize coronavirus.

I'm in the middle of researching this, but it's well known in the scientific community that elevated temperatures for adequate time will "deactivate" or "denature" (their terms) virus particles. Unfortunately, these temperatures are well above human body or even the highest ambient values.

"Kill" is not a valid term for viruses because they can only be deactivated so they can't replicate.

I'm interested in this to determine the time and temperature necessary to heat food that may have been contacted by virus particles so that it is no longer dangerous.

Despite the good intentions of grocery stores, restaurants and carry-out places, there is no way they can be 100% certain the foods have not been contaminated, either in a food processing plant or a commercial kitchen or fast food grill considering all the times it may have been exposed to humans.

KY.........

[LovingA2andMI]

58. Singapore is not cold....

The average temp in January - March is 78 degrees. That is sustained. Yet, COVID-19 is there.

In Brazil, they are banging on pots because their "Leader" is calling COVID-19 a Hoax. Why? 500+ cases and counting. Brazil is in it Spring/Summer:

Coronavirus protest in Brazil sees millions bang pots from balconies

People in Brazil have expressed anger at President Jair Bolsonaro's handling of the coronavirus pandemic by banging pots and pans together on balconies.

Millions of protesters in the cities of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro appeared at windows on Wednesday evening calling for the president to step down.

It was the biggest protest against Mr Bolsonaro's government to date.

There are over 500 cases of the virus in Brazil, including two government ministers. Four people have died.

Mr Bolsonaro, who has previously dismissed precautions taken against the novel coronavirus as "hysteria" and "fantasy", has been criticised for his response to the deadly outbreak.

The president has been tested for the virus twice, but said on both occasions the results were negative.[

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51955679

Brazil Case Count-529/Deaths-4
Not a scientific fact - just plain looking at a Map, COVID-19 does not give a damn about sustained heat. The body is 98.6 degrees itself on an average alone. If sustained heat killed it, the Human Body could do that all itself.

It is looking for a NEW HOST. Period.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

59. You must have missed my point and I'm not disagreeing with yours.

Please re-read my post. The human body cannot sustain the heat required to denature coronavirus but it can be done for things outside our bodies such as food, utensils and clothing.

Otherwise, hospitals would not be able to sterilize equipment in an autoclave.

I think if you revise your OP title to "human body heat" rather than just "heat", all will be fine.

KY..........

[LanternWaste]

64. It's either a measured and tested hypothesis, or a spurious correlation.