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malaise

(268,918 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 06:22 AM Mar 2020

So Ratner just pointed out that it took Don the Con's leadership one month for

the precipitous fall in the stock market that took a year during the Great Depression.
This is what happens when an arrogant, ignorant fool is put in charge of anything.

Is he winning enough yet?

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So Ratner just pointed out that it took Don the Con's leadership one month for (Original Post) malaise Mar 2020 OP
This isn't quite correct Aquaria Mar 2020 #1
Thanks malaise Mar 2020 #2
And DITTO for you, malaise. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2020 #4
Thanks malaise Mar 2020 #11
Federal Government run like a business eh? Imagine that... Ford_Prefect Mar 2020 #3
The longer the "leaders" of this country dither, the deeper the coming DEPRESSION is getting... Moostache Mar 2020 #5
Thoughtful post malaise Mar 2020 #12
It didn't take a virus C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #6
Malaise, with respect, I'm curious as to what you think any President could have done HotTeaBag Mar 2020 #7
He could have listened to the experts and started testing immediately malaise Mar 2020 #13
"Is he winning enough yet?" llmart Mar 2020 #8
Not for much longer malaise Mar 2020 #15
Too long to suit me. llmart Mar 2020 #17
#TrumpDepression. -- nt Alacritous Crier Mar 2020 #9
Well rather than the Great Depression malaise Mar 2020 #16
He promised we would be sick of winning so much. warmfeet Mar 2020 #10
Nicely put malaise Mar 2020 #14
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
1. This isn't quite correct
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 06:57 AM
Mar 2020

There was an unusually fast and steep increase in the Dow, but it took over a year--before the Great Depression. The upwards trajectory lasted from the beginning of August in 1928, until the market hit a record high at the beginning of September of 1929. From there, the market experienced high volatility until the end of October with the infamous Black Friday crash. So it's the crash and then the run on banks (and a devastating climate crisis known as the Dust Bowl) that created and fueled the Great Depression. Not the Depression that caused the crash.

Here's the graph for what happened in the leadup to Black Friday:



What's disturbing about that graph is how it's a lot closer than it should be to what's been happening since our own record market peak in February.

I'm getting a queasy feeling that we're going to get collapse so bad that it makes Black Friday look like a boom.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
5. The longer the "leaders" of this country dither, the deeper the coming DEPRESSION is getting...
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:00 AM
Mar 2020

This is not going to be a recession, we are heading for a global depression and the lessons from 1929 and 2008 are not sufficient to deal with this situation in any way...

The economy of the USA has been shattered. The glass from this catastrophe is still flying through the air, the extent of the total dammage is not known, but the old economy (the vase) is GONE. A service-based economy cannot survive a shut down of interactions and a dearth of service opportunities.

We need a massive restructuring of the entire thing - a return to audacious, enormous NATIONAL projects like the TVA, the Interstate Highway Project, NASA (Mercury, Gemini, Apollo and STS - COMBINED!). The New Deal put a floor under the nation in 1932, if we do not have action BEFORE 2023, this nation is going to cease to exist as a functional body...this cannot wait for the worst to become apparent. We need action on the scale of FDR's first 100 days, and we needed it to start 4 weeks AGO!!!

History will record McConnell's recess of the Senate as a historical turning point - opportunity lost that could have saved lives, businesses, families. I have to stop, my blood pressure is spiking and I am literally fuming right now...

malaise

(268,918 posts)
12. Thoughtful post
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:55 AM
Mar 2020

I'm betting MoscowMitch went home for a link up with the biggest of their lobbyists/donors

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
6. It didn't take a virus
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:13 AM
Mar 2020

Trump gutted our infrastructure so badly that any serious event would collapse it. I tend to think it was on purpose... but if not, what a colossal fuckup. What is he still in office? Where are the righteous hordes of Republicans and Democrats running him out of town for ruining their lives?

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
7. Malaise, with respect, I'm curious as to what you think any President could have done
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

in a situation like this.

And just to be clear, I believe (like most people) that the economy that Trump has been touting as his own was anything but, that he inherited it from eight years of Obama, and the things that he did do (tax cuts, deregulation) were good for business but horrible for America.

In the face of what is very likely to be a global depression I'm not sure what Trump could have done to stave off the markets falling like they have. Even if he would have acted sooner and not denied that anything was wrong and then continuously bungled the response since, how could we have avoided this?

I can see that if he would have shown calm, competent leadership then that might have slowed the drop, but the losses (in my opinion) were inevitable because of the nature of what's happening.

Again, much respect.

malaise

(268,918 posts)
13. He could have listened to the experts and started testing immediately
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:57 AM
Mar 2020

as usual all he thought about is how coronavirus would affect his reelection chances. Well now he knows - he will be kicked the hell out of the WH,

llmart

(15,536 posts)
8. "Is he winning enough yet?"
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:26 AM
Mar 2020

Yes, he and his grifting family ARE winning. They've already taken millions for themselves and squirreled it away offshore somewhere, especially he and Kushner. Make no mistake about that.

It's the rest of us that aren't "winning". Well, us and Putin. This has all been by design.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
10. He promised we would be sick of winning so much.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:35 AM
Mar 2020

Turns out, we are sick of him, and millions are just plain sick. Seeing him in prison would make me feel much better.

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