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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI do not support giving every american $1000
i do not think such an action would spark the economy.
We are not going to get through this by buying more TVs and cars.
I personally still have a job. I would love to have an extra $1000 in my pocket now but to be honest, the people who are losing their jobs need it more than I do.
I like what France is doing, suspending rent and utility payments.
I like the idea of targeting benefits to people who have lost their job. Expand unemployment benefits. give cash to people have lost their jobs or even hourly workers who are temporarily out of work.
Don't give $1000 to people who still have work.
Don't give $1000 to rich folks.
Target the money where it is needed most.
and you can start with the basics. make lots more test kits. make sure they are free. make lots more ventilators.
thats my 2 cents.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)It is overly simplistic and not targeted enough to help the people who need the help the most.
Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)I have Stephen King to thank for that image.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)Or if you like, Coronavirus. And by the time they send the checks out they'll be radioactive. But my own guess is that by "sending them to many Americans", trump meant "not a one".
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)"Beware of Grifters bearing gifts"
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)through suspending or vouchers. Expand unemployment. Pay monthly to all out of work who are gig, independent, hourly, self-employed, temp workers.
Problem will be for undocumented and documented working under table.
Mosby
(16,297 posts)Because they don't pay into social security and the underground employers don't pay payroll tax.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)What's true today is not necessarily true tomorrow.
garybeck
(9,940 posts)whatever support can help them get through
why send $1000 to someone who doesn't need it?
babylonsister
(171,051 posts)I don't think it's doable.
tblue37
(65,273 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Folks who need a cash infusion for basic necessities spend it on those necessities. They are usually really good bargain hunters, and make wise purchases.
My only concern with handing out money is how it will be treated by the IRS. Everyone was really happy years ago when the Bush administration sent out those $300 checks. Happy, that is, until they found out the next tax day that that money was an advanced on a presumed tax refund. If you were used to getting $500 back* and only got $200, it was a nasty little surprise. Even worse was penciling out a $200 refund only to find that you owed money. Is this money going to be treated as income, a debit against taxes owed, or something else?
*And yes, we all know that the very best policy is to set your withholding so that you come out as close to zero owed or refunded as possible, but as irrational as people are, they still like getting a tidy little lump sum check at tax time.
rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)Trying to just give money to everybody shows trump is desperate. It's a way to buy votes. Corruption.
Amishman
(5,554 posts)My wife and I still have our main jobs, though her hours are cut.
However we have lost our side incomes and currently have a large debt load.
Working people need direct assistance, as do small businesses.
We need to not be cheap and not be selective.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)a few weeks go by...and things really start shutting down indefinitely, and contracts get canceled, and factories shut down, and suppliers can't supply. I'll take the money, thanks.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)It amazes me that some people think that you can shut down the global economy for a month or more, have soaring unemployment here in the US, and everything will just be fine.
Businesses will be aggressively cost cutting for the next 2 to 3 years at the least.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)but if you miss a payment, they still expect you to pay it within 6 months of the moritorium ending. That's absurd. People aren't drowning in enough debt apparently.
durablend
(7,459 posts)Landlords are going to want X * number of months rent right when the moratorium is over with or else they'll be right down to city hall with the eviction papers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)DBoon
(22,353 posts)Renters end up living on the streets.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)federal governments. They'll be fine. Renters, not so much.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)and deduct when you itemize.
wcmagumba
(2,883 posts)should provide relief to those in need and also stimulate the economy. I have read that each dollar put into the
economy through spending on needed goods and services actually (in normal times anyway) adds an estimated 2 to 3 times that much to the overall economy.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)To overcome the devastation that this virus has already wreaked, businesses, state and local governments will be aggressively cutting costs for the next 2-3 years in order to return to profitability and/or balance their budgets. That's going to create a cascading affect of consumers cutting costs as well.
When everyone is cutting costs all at the same time, you get an economic depression or deflation. That's where everything spirals out of control. To offset this, the federal government has to spend money to stem the tide of cascading cost cutting and help restore consumer confidence as soon as possible.
The government should send out monthly stipends to consumers, block grants to states to slow down cost cutting, and tax cuts/zero intrest loans to businesses big and small to slow down layoffs.
Your way is not only economically negligent and horrid, but it also leads to a rise of authoritarianism.
Initech
(100,059 posts)Mine already has 92K miles on it and is requiring some very expensive repairs. That $1,000 will go a long way to making a down payment for me.
Mosby
(16,297 posts)Initech
(100,059 posts)2012 model. Already 8 years old. I had been looking prior to the Great Quarantine and afterward I will continue to resume. I was thinking by June I will be applying for loans and that sort of thing.
I just hope that things will get better in the next few weeks and not worse like they are predicting.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)So breathe easy Mr. Beck. You won't have to worry about catching the virus from those dirty government checks. Nosireebob!
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Trump's just trying to buy people off on the credit card.
Crumbs for us, while his business buddies get billions.
rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)Rorey
(8,445 posts)In France, are the landlords getting paid by the government.
I'm a landlord, and it's not for fun. It's how I pay my own bills. I know I'm going to take a hit this month, but I'm hoping those hits won't be forever.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)I get food and supplies.
Now where to find them............
Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)This isnt about stimulating the economy. Its about avoiding cascading failures. People who have jobs now, might not tomorrow. Adding layers of checks and qualifications, and means testing is just going to delay this, and inevitability delay getting help out. And it needs to get out yesterday. I trust Austin Goolsbee who said it needs to be substantial, go to everyone, and above all, FAST.
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)We can take it back from those who didnt need it on the back end.
Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)Almost everyone will experience a large impact from this. If someone gets it and doesnt deserve it? Not the wnd of the world for a deal like this. Speed and breadth are what is important here.
Doodley
(9,078 posts)identify everyone who has the virus and quarantine those people, we can defeat this epidemic within a few weeks and end the financial misery as well.
procon
(15,805 posts)the economy as fast as possible? Other than the moral objections, it's not so much a concern as to who gets these cash allotments, what matters is that most recipients will go out and spend it in their communities.
The whole purpose of a stimulus is to stimulate the economy to keep us out of another Recession or the worst possibility of a Second Great Depression. If that happens under Trump's rule, we are all doomed to a decade of unimaginable losses.
So hand out the money to as many Americans as possible. Whether it's the single mom scraping by on her minimum wage job at a fast food joint, or the affluent couple in their swanky McMansion, it will all get spent, and that is the goal.
Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)The point is to avoid utter collapse by helping people make essential purchases.
MLAA
(17,267 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)and fear a lot of people who need the help won't get it...
DrToast
(6,414 posts)It's not supposed to stimulate the economy. It's to prevent a depression.
People are going to use it to pay their rent, not buy a TV.
librechik
(30,674 posts)and still be short a couple hundred. Can we get some serious minded sociologists into this discussion? How many families know how to manage that amount of money and make it last? This is as ridiculous as claiming $15 is a living wage. No one in any county can support themselves on that amount in the US, not for years!
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Two weeks of groceries. We all have different situations.
Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)That some people who dont need it do, but that people who do need it get too little too lateor even none at all.
Way too many people have no idea that this crisis is and will be like none other. We need bold action NOW.
brush
(53,763 posts)Millions are or will be soon out of work and need it now. Give it to everyone asap.
mvd
(65,169 posts)Ideally it would go to people who make less than $100,000 a year. But these are scary times for all. Definitely should not be tied to work as for many, that is not an option right now. It does need to be supplemented with other important things like paid sick leave, unemployment insurance, foreclosure halting, testing and more.