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Sending People Back to Work Now Will Not Save the Economy. It Will Doom It.
By JORDAN WEISSMANN at Slate
MARCH 23, 20206:01 PM
https://slate.com/business/2020/03/trump-economy-reopen-coronavirus.html
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President Donald Trump is already having second thoughts about telling Americans to stay at home in order to limit the spread of the coronavirus, because he is worried about how badly it will hurt the economy (and, presumably, the Dow). The president reportedly began talking privately about reopening the country as early as last week. Hes also being nudged in that direction by conservative pundits, advisers within his own administration, and Wall Street figures who have urged a quick return to normalcy, in order to limit the blow to businesses and workers. And so we got this all-caps pronouncement on Sunday:
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
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Lets recall why public health officials have asked Americans to stay home in the first place. Its not because COVID-19 is incredibly deadly (though it does appear to be more fatal than the flu). Rather, its because the new coronavirus is so highly contagious that if even a small percentage of the people who stand to be infected end up hospitalized, it will completely swamp our health care system, as already seems to be happening in New York. If even 20 percent of Americans catch this thing in the next yearwhich is the sort of best-case scenario researchers are envisioningvast swaths of the country will run out of hospital beds. We will not have enough room in intensive care units or available ventilators to properly care for the ill. Heck, we already dont have enough masks. Lots of people with COVID-19 will likely die because there simply will not be space or resources to keep them alive. People with other serious conditions will die as well, because they too will not be able to get care. All sorts of acute illnesses will become more deadly.
Many people will not return to their normal lives in a country that is being ravaged by an unchecked disease just because the president has announced a reopening. Many arent going to return to restaurants and bars or go on family vacations to Disney. Many companies arent going to tell their employees to come back to the office. Many cities and states will keep businesses shut down in order to try to contain the illness as much as possible within their own borders. But some wont. And many Americans will try to resume life as usual, the same way many are ignoring the warnings to stay in now, which means the virus will continue spreading. We will have a half-functioning economy and nonfunctioning health care system, with untold numbers of Americans dying from an illness that causes victims to suffocate as fluid floods into their lungs, on the way to total organ failure.
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)But he's too greedy, selfish, short-sighted and stupid to see the writing on the wall. He will drive this country into the ground.
morillon
(1,185 posts)....as well as the utterly corrupt, with the same traits often contained within the same person.
The dumbasses are incapable of actually gaming this out. Like, what happens if you make people go back to work and then a couple of weeks later we REALLY get hit, and then we can't even keep hospitals, water treatment facilities, pharmacies, food production plants, and so forth staffed? All these folks working and studying from home won't be able to if the lights don't stay on. They could bring on a goddamn famine. Widespread death from foodborne and waterborne illnesses. No amount of money could protect them from the hell we'd be living in then.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)Sadly, Jared is feeding this and he's not bright. He's like Trump in that he's about him and his people. They truly only care about them and their outcome. The rest of us are on our own.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I doubt very much that hell be able to force people to go back to work. We havent even come close to peaking with this illness. The people running the business are just as likely to get sick as the workers. His entire cabinet might get sick as well as Congress with idiots like Rand Paul walking around spreading the virus in the gym and showers.
Hes up there on that tiny stage with five or sick people so packed together that they have to really maneuver carefully to take turns at the microphone. Hes so stupid that he and Pence stand too close to everyone, breathing down their necks even as a Pence staff person has tested positive for the virus.
I cant see Cuomo or Newsom lifting their orders about everyone staying at home.
People will kiss Trumps ass, but dying for him? I dont think so.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)The amount and intensity of the stupid among his worshipers is much stronger than you seem to know.
gab13by13
(21,264 posts)Trumpers will go to their graves and have, "Coronavirus is a hoax" written on their tombstones.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)The virus is going to be bad either way so I might as well start up the economy and take credit for it come election time. No one can prove that it's worse because of my policies because they always said it was going to be bad.
applegrove
(118,501 posts)claim demoicrats, and deep state health, stopped his wanting to help the economy.
Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)I don't think any responsible governor is listening to Hair Furor any more.
Waste of oxygen.
murielm99
(30,717 posts)Apparently Cuomo is considering reopening the economy and sending people back to work. And his state is the epicenter of this plague.
What will happen if a few governors agree with trump and others defy him? We may end up with a civil war on top of a pandemic.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Screw these confederates. I want to help the right side on this. So, if it does come to a civil war, I'm sticking candles in the windows and offering any support I can to the blue state troops right off the bat.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)people back to work? I haven't heard or read about that. Are you sure? Right now he is frantically trying to flatten the curve as covid 19 cases spread throughout the state beyond NYC. There are clusters developing and growing at Rochester and Buffalo, hundreds of miles from NYC.
I saw it on the late evening news last night, and looked for some articles.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489030-cuomo-we-have-to-plan-to-pivot-back-to-economic-functionality
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/business/trump-coronavirus-economy.html
wnylib
(21,346 posts)say that it might be possible eventually but not in the near future. Then he quoted statistics here in NY to explain why. Across NY state, not just NYC, the rate of increase is doubling every 3 days.
Cuomo was not suggesting that it should be done, especially not now. He was responding to Trump's plan to start sending people back to work soon. He was subtly indicating that it is far too soon, especially in NY, without alienating Trump, since he needs Trump's cooperation in fighting for us here.
murielm99
(30,717 posts)Trump will kill us all.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)does not comprehend. Compassion, sense of community, sense of responsibility to fellow human beings, knowledge of how government works, understanding of and commitment to democracy, ability to lead by example.
Trump considers most of those traits to be weaknesses.
gab13by13
(21,264 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)Governor Cuomo's plans on the other hand will work a lot better. His plan to test showing who has already had it and immunity now could start people back working, and the filtering out antibodies for use making others immune will be great , and better than meds any day they'll push on everyone to take while they hold stock in the companies involved. Follow the money for anything trump promotes to use now.
c_junk
(46 posts)You said: (though it does appear to be more fatal than the flu).
That's appears to be a substantial understatement. Last year's death toll from the flu was around 57 thousand, out of an estimated 36-41 million infections. A mortality rate of between .14 and .16 %. According to the Johns Hopkins site there are now 382,644 current confirmed cases worldwide with 16,587 total deaths. That yields a mortality rate of 4.3% for COVID-19, or 25-30 times more lethal than last year's flu. So instead of 57 thousand deaths, we could expect 1.5 to 1.8 million.
Now it's true that you never really know the mortality rate until the disease has swept through a population, but you prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Note: the currently hardest hit country, Italy, for some reason shows a mortality rate of 9.5%.
Some reports have said that even those serious cases who do recover may have diminished lung function for the rest of their lives.
So why hasn't tRump actually used the Defense Production Act to create the tests, protection gear, and ventilators every medical professional is pleading for?
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)gibraltar72
(7,499 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)I really think I had this damn crud in January. If I knew I was immune I would volunteer in a heartbeat to go help in hospitals, as Im a former healthcare worker.
At the very least I could make sure some dont die alone.