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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:19 PM Mar 2020

Which is worse, the colective ignorance, or the collective insanity?

Listening, albeit rarely, to Trump and his more rabid followers, I cannot decide which factor weighs most.

Are all of these people simply ignorant of nearly everything, or insane? Yes, Lincoln is reputed to have said that some of the people can be fooled all of the time, but there must be more to it.

Of Trump himself I can credit his appalling ignorance of science, and his complete ignorance of how little he knows. But is 38% of the US population really this ignorant and/or insane?

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Which is worse, the colective ignorance, or the collective insanity? (Original Post) guillaumeb Mar 2020 OP
Hard to make that distinction. They're brainwashed. DEbluedude Mar 2020 #1
It is a confluence of many things that began many years ago. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #8
You're preaching to the choir, my friend. DEbluedude Mar 2020 #13
I live in a red state. Yes, 38% of the people can be this ignorant. Arkansas Granny Mar 2020 #2
My experience, too. Not stupid, they are just uninterested. Don't read, listen to FOX and radio. Midnight Writer Mar 2020 #5
I agree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #9
People get conditioned from their youth to feel good and safe and proud when they look reality FiveGoodMen Mar 2020 #3
I agree that social conditioning plays a big part. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #10
Not mutually exclusive. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #4
Very true. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #11
Collective confusion Skidmore Mar 2020 #6
There will be Trumpsters that get a positive COVID19 test and PufPuf23 Mar 2020 #7
One hopes you are wrong. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #12

DEbluedude

(816 posts)
1. Hard to make that distinction. They're brainwashed.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:25 PM
Mar 2020

It's a blend that is a result of what began in earnest forty years ago.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. It is a confluence of many things that began many years ago.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:53 PM
Mar 2020

A history written for the rich, a job market where wages have stagnated for over 40 years, Fox news, and other right wing outlets that propagandize rather than inform, and voting laws designed to restrict the rights of urban citizens in favor of rural conservatives.

Arkansas Granny

(31,506 posts)
2. I live in a red state. Yes, 38% of the people can be this ignorant.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:26 PM
Mar 2020

They read very little and have almost no curiosity about learning anything new.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. I agree.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:54 PM
Mar 2020

And if these people self-censor by ignoring anything outside of the right wing media bubble, they will be easy prey for people like Trump and his GOP cronies.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
3. People get conditioned from their youth to feel good and safe and proud when they look reality
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:26 PM
Mar 2020

in the face and deny it anyway.

All the grownups around them in the church praise their faith.

That's what they call reality-denial: faith.

Remember that the next time someone demands that you respect their reality-denial.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. I agree that social conditioning plays a big part.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

America first rhetoric plays a part, other social venues also play apart, faith venues among them.

PufPuf23

(8,754 posts)
7. There will be Trumpsters that get a positive COVID19 test and
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 05:08 PM
Mar 2020

take it upon themselves to infect as many so-called libtards and brown people on purpose out of spite.

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