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Every hour he is in power, he kills more.
Anyone who thinks we can wait until Nov is kidding themselves, if he stays in power the numbers we will be looking at will be STAGGERING...
The only LEGAL way to remove him is to get the GOP to agree to use the 25th...
IF it is NOT used, IF it is NOT done, a LARGE PERCENTAGE of those reading this will be sick or DEAD in the coming months...
WE CANT WAIT...how do we SHAME repub politicians into acting to save THEIR OWN LIVES?
????
Here is how
But there is actually a lesser-known provision in the 25th Amendment, one that doesnt require as much complicity from cabinet members and others likely in the Trump tank, which some Democrats on Capitol Hill say could provide a solution to Trumps escalating erraticism. Specifically, section four of the amendment, which stipulates that not only could the vice president and a majority of the cabinet take such action, but the vice president and a majority of such other body as Congress may by law provide can determine whether a president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office due to physical or mental incapacity. In fact, in April 2017, during the 115th session of Congress, Maryland Democrat Jamie Raskin introduced a bill to create just such a bodyformally titled the Oversight Commission on Presidential Capacitycomprised of former elected officials and medical professionals, selected on a bicameral and bipartisan basis, who, with the support of the vice president, could deem Trump unfit.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/25th-amendment-donald-trump
If GOP house and senate members start pushing pressure on the cabinet because dems pressured them, or if they do it this other way...
If house and senate gop tell pence they have his back, if they tell cabinet members, that is one way...but pence would be just as bad so maybe we are just fucking doomed.
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Forget it, I just saw rump support at all time high, and they now say the reason he fucked this up was because he was being impeached, which of course had NOTHING to do with it and this can be proven two thousand different ways...I give up trying to get half the country to become patriots and use their brains.
BigMin28
(1,176 posts)nt
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)I think November is our only option. His cabinet will not 25th him and he wont be removed by the Senate. Im not sure what we can do. We dont have much power at this point.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)dont know it and when we need help there wont be any.
I have been sounding the alarm for years, knowing full well just how bad cons can be and we now see faced with DEATH they would rather go with the least qualified person alive than one of the most (any democrat)...
Somehow we must make noise NOW.
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)
Obviously, we shouldnt have a march in the middle of a pandemic.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ms liberty
(8,572 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)I know it seems futile but Im out of ideas besides voting the bastards out in November.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)for your initial reaction. But, as the responses to your post indicate, mass gatherings are not an option at this time. There's another check on government that is not functioning either, and that is ridicule from late-night TV and Saturday Night Live.
The election is pretty much the only arrow in the quiver.
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)Youd think since Ive been couped up for 3 weeks in quarantine, Id be a little smarter than that lol. Yes, November is our only hope to get these fascists out of office.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Chill.
Nay
(12,051 posts)thinks he's great. Great for ushering in the Apocalypse.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)cons who of course KNOW rump is the problem, MAYBE they will choose life over death...
We have to try, call your reps and demand they use the 25th...do it daily...please.
vapor2
(1,243 posts)He wants to manage the $500 billion so he can save his drowning hotels?? CALL republicans (not just your rep). Call after hours and leave a message. If you get a staffer during working hours they will ask you if you live in their district so google phone numbers and call them! Makes me feel better and if enough people call ............
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)While you sit there in your house waiting to not die, you could be contacting your congresscritters and donating money to Democrats. Don't bother trying to shame GOPers because it can't be done.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Look at NYC...
We dont have the time...
Red states urged on by rump are NOT SHELTERING in place, many of them...
We DONT have time.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)remove using 25th, if they are dems tell them you want them to try, somehow, to convince their con friends in the house or senate to do this before WE DIE...each day the failure of the WH will be very clear, each day MANY more will die, if gop pols think they have support to remove him
MAYBE they will
MAYBE it is a one in ten thousand chance, which is still worth 3 minutes a day to make the calls..
or email your rep...I do both, was in a town hall with House rep yesterday, brought it up then...
TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)It takes Pence and half of Trump's cabinet or Pence plus 2/3 of both Houses on Congress.
It's not even one in ten thousand. It's zero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Declaration_by_vice_president_and_principal_officers
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)they might get together and try and convince the cons we are simply going to die otherwise, which for many of us is true.
Right now if you are in a blue state odds are you are under shelter in place, equally odds are if you are in a red state, you are not.
THIS ALONE if changed by new leadership could cut the deaths by MILLIONS...
If we cant leave the house for protests, and we cant and shouldnt, we have ONE TOOL and only one, NOTHING ELSE and that is our email and phone and pressuring politicians.
Phoning or emailing them takes the same amount of time telling me it wont work takes.
What did Obama say, dont boo VOTE..now maybe he would say CALL and PRESSURE them!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)We are not under an official shelter in place order (yet) but almost everyone is doing it anyhow.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Real leadership in the WH could call on all states to do this, but I guess they dont have to and not sure if a real prez was there is there a way she could do it nationally?
dont know
ALL states should be shelter in place, yet the idiot wants to "open up" the country, as if he had anything to do with "closing it"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)as the health department's models recommend. When things improve the shutdowns will also be lifted gradually. This seems to be a pretty sensible way to do it, since even most people who are not under orders have already done it anyhow.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)worked and it is too late...not too late to avoid FUTURE increase in losses though...yes, by not doing it when we should have many more will die, but we can still do it...
I just think we collectively dont understand how bad it is and that we dont have the time some think we have.
The Bill Gates info is here somewhere.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)let alone a right moron like Trump.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)S. Korea did not shut down anything. And everyone says they have it under control. They aggressively isolated those infected and chased down their contacts.
TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)I have family there and I've been kind of surprised that the authorities haven't been more assertive in locking down the place. We're under more stringent regulations here in central Texas than they are in Minneapolis. Go figure.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)The governor has been gradually imposing incremental shutdowns based on the health department's statistical models. So far it seems to be working because nobody's out and almost nothing is open as it is. All restaurants, bars, barbershops, hairdressers, museums, theatres, concert venues, sports, schools, etc. have ordered closed. The only thing that hasn't been done is a stay at home order. Most people are staying at home anyhow.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Until April 9th.
Our schools have been shut down over a week and are now shut down until May 4th. Bars and restaurants and others until May 1st.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's not even how the 25th Amendment works.
What is it you want the House and/or Senate to do, exactly.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)Apparently at least half the country thinks he is doing a great job on CV.
gibraltar72
(7,501 posts)They will immediately turn on him. Probably not before that.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)We dont have till Nov
we dont
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Hey, I'm a Texas senior who Dan Patrick says is expendable. I am as livid as you are.
This movement needs a leader and I don't think we have one. I wish someone would come forward and I don't care who it is as long as it's someone who puts the needs of the citizens above the needs of Wall Street.
If a plan develops, tell me what to do and I'll do my best to do my part. I've been calling reps continuously, but who are we kidding? That does not good, especially in red state Texas.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)check it out now and we can talk later
https://www.facebook.com/joebiden/
Worry about WS if you dont die...not important now
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Calm down a bit. Gnashing youre teeth on an Internet forum serves no purpose at all.
No one listens to panicky people: they just do not.
Get out and help in your community. Give to a food bank. Deliver groceries for older folks. Do something that means something.
Try it, youll feel better.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)You dont need to critique the post (i.e., no one listens to panicky people).
Just move on to the next thread if a post bothers you.
Some of us are scared shitless and have every right to be. Allowing someone to vent may very well then allow them to do something to help.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Feel free to place me on ignore.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I will.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Bernie will need to step aside.
But my comment was more in line with someone like a Martin Luther King; not necessarily a politician.
Nature Man
(869 posts)is the decision to stay home, have no human contact (no one leaves), and be able to do this at minimum 30 days. That means 30 days of food, pet care, pharmaceuticals, booze, cigarettes, and scratch off tickets. That might not even do it, that's a medium-case scenario, worst case, stay home longer?
Hunker down and don't get infected.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,458 posts)whatever is on the tape the Russians have.
I suspect that it is the same for McConnell, McCarthy, Collins, Nunes, etc.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)We know, or scientists know, the general mortality rate for the common influenza, and that rate is relatively low. Bit in my opinion, the uncertainty is adding to the generalized anxiety.
And social isolation will play a big part in raising the anxiety level.
My feeling is that the rich and well connected assume that their money and power will insulate them from the worst effects.
And we also know that the leaders of the GOP are concerned only with keeping power. And with these social distancing and quarantine at home orders, masa demonstrations will not happen.
One option is for many of us to call, Fax, and email our leaders, and every GOP Congressmember, and demand action.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And welcome back, ER.
It is god to read you here.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)gop house and senate to tell them we have their backs if the cabinet removes him or to pass the law to do the other thing mentioned in the 25th, we MIGHT do something.
ALL pence wants is power, he doesnt care at all how...if he thinks he has the backing of some of the right and the left to do this and save his OWN LIFE in the process...
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Did you read what I said?
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Think harder about what militias do.
These are crooks not real public servants, treat them as such?
tavernier
(12,375 posts)Not gonna happen in D.C. even if every single person on DU calls or writes.
Warpy
(111,237 posts)and Republicans are either cooped up or out doing necessary work, just like we are.
Perhaps the ones who are cooped up with little social contact will get bored enough to start asking a few questions, like why aid to people was delayed until corporations got theirs and why protective equipment didn't go to hospitals, why no EO there?
Javaman
(62,510 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)He knows that base of his supporters will likely listen to him. That is a threat to our national security. he must be removed from office.
Takket
(21,552 posts)also, his poll number are rising.
Crowman
(27 posts)Trump will never be removed by GOP Senate. OK, there is a 1 in a million chance. Worrying about the nearly impossible is a waste of valuable time that could be used for something/anything more useful.