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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just talked to a Trump voter. They are starting to return from Alice in Wonderland.
He told me Trump fucked up by not testing people. I said to him, that's what happens when you vote for a reality TV host to be president. He shook his head in agreement.
Trump voters ignored reality for years. It is hard to ignore the reality of death, death is as real as it gets and it is in their faces.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)we could make some real headway.
bring back the fairness doctrine! send the fringe back to the fringe!
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Imagine if faux started putting actual information in their shows, their believers would not question it.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)Which might just follow if faux was to be turned 1st.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)to imagine that they would ever do that. it's not their function.
calimary
(81,220 posts)There's Sinclair Broadcasting, and something called One America News.
"One America News Network, also known as One America News, is a far-right news and opinion channel owned by Herring Networks, Inc., launched on July 4, 2013. The network is headquartered in San Diego, California, and operates news bureaus in Washington, D.C. and New York City."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network
Richard58
(239 posts)One America News Network is for people who think Fox News is too liberal. Seriously. I stopped at a diner recently and they had OANN on the TV. It's so right-wing I am surprised they didn't start the news segment with a Nazi salute. It's really bad!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)A better plan could be to have a constant demonstration outside their studios that was rather loud and nasty and keep it up until.........or just take it over. We have had enough!!!!!! Maybe some ex Trumpsters who are missing their family members who have died from the virus might join us.
We have been way too civilized with this destructive media. As a working class girl, I like In Your Face!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Most Fux viewers would simply soak it up and never realize that something had changed.
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)To stop Fox. The Fairness Doctrine was FCC policy, and the FCC only pertains to bunny-ear free TV. Fox is a cable station, which is a private network, and thus exempt.
Where a Fairness Doctrine would make a real difference is with Sinclair bunny ear stations and hate radio. Getting those two traitor propaganda tools reined in would cut back on a sizable percentage of the worst problems.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)to either get Fox to tell the truth or force them to be honest about their function.
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)The problem with Fox is that they blur the line between news and opinion programming. This is why they could have a relatively competent journalist/anchor like Shep Smith amid their stable of raving opinion loons. The (tiny) news division of Fox can almost be normal, but the opinion shows are cranking out the propaganda. And with opinion, you dont necessarily have to be 100% accurate.
News or opinion doesnt matter, legally. If either of them get something wrong, they have an ace in the hole: NYT v Sullivan. This is a Supreme Court decision that says media outlets (and citizens, too) cant be sued for transmitting inaccurate information, as long as there was no malice aforethought.
Even the best reporters get it wrong sometimes, without meaning any harm, and they deserve protection from lawsuits over libel, slander and defamation when mistakes happen. Thats why NYT v Sullivan exists.
The problem comes when bad actors like Fox take advantage of that principle to distort, but pretend that they meant no harm. They sincerely thought the info they had was accurate, to the best of their knowledge (I know, I know, but work with me here).
You and I know they damned well did mean harm by trotting our total bullshit, but try proving that in a court of law. It takes an enormous amount of evidence to show that malice was intended. First of all, youre not in their headsand cant be. Second, that means you have to find evidence though other means to demonstrate an intention to lie to cause harm. And good luck with that. If the defendant (liar) is a reporter and used an anonymous source, then you cant make a reporter give up that source. Because First Amendment. And that kills any chance of a suit proceeding any further.
Its a really frustrating situation, especially for public figuresincluding politiciansin the US, who, because they are public figures, dont have the privacy rights that the rest of us do in battling a defamation-type suit.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)They are an ENTERTAINMENT channel. They entertain viewers with salacious and misdirected content, with opinion and simply false information. They appeal to a demographic that is distrusting of conventional news sources. We know that people who watch FNC are less knowledgeable about the everyday news than those who watch no news programming at all.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)if they're watching one of those stations.
Indykatie
(3,696 posts)getagrip_already
(14,710 posts)So even little susie or wifie unit jen ending up in the er with breathing difficulties is gonna cost them $50k. They won't die (most likely), but they will run up a nice fat hospital bill.
Oh, and that pig of a boss is gonna steal their wages by claiming he is paying them, getting a grant from the feds to cover it, and they get taxed because it will show up on their w2, and blame it on the crisis. Then the pos will go somewhere to live with his wealth.
Lonestarblue
(9,977 posts)The 17 year old in California went to an urgent care facility, but they refused to treat him because he had no insurance. He died. A number of Trump supporters also do not have insurance. Public hospitals will likely treat them IF they still have a local hospital. This epidemic may convince a few recalcitrants that Medicare for All is a good idea!
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)Some of the undecideds will change temporarily, but the 28% that are hard core cultists will never change. They're going down with their whole flawed World view they've held since childhood.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)are the big blue cities. I looked at every one of them and Hillary beat trump by enormous %
The question is will the trumpers care? They don't care about people getting affordable health insurance
moonscape
(4,673 posts)its spreading out and will affect most communities.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Throw in Georgia, too.
That means it about to spread all over the southeast.
had zero until Mar2020. It stands at 1,115 today.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)It might be a month before the effects are obvious in those rural states.
Texin
(2,595 posts)tRump and the KGOP will falling all over themselves rushing to quarantine after-the-fact and glomming onto all the PPEs and ventilators available.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Where the hospitals have shut down, it's going to be ugly for them.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Unless there are ventilators available nearby, and people who know how to use them and what to do when the numbers go bad
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Wonder what their relatives will think?
Will they blame the Moron? Not sure.
Mercurian
(48 posts)..in my very rural, very Red County in a very Red state. Probably ten times that many unconfirmed, since tests apparently have to be sent to the CDC for confirmation before being entered into the official record. We have a nice little County hospital, but it's NOT prepared for the deluge that's coming.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...will be delayed or denied as Trump attempts to kill off as many Democratic voters as possible. I am not cynical by nature (at least, I didn't used to be), so this is a tough idea for me, but not an impossibility.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)but I don't have the link. But apparently MI got a small percentage of their request, NY even less, and FL got 100%.
i think that with the DOD taking action and Trump repeatedly not getting the bumps from his daily rallies that may change. too late for too many though.
elias7
(3,997 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)it's criminal but trump never faces a consequence. aaargh
McKim
(2,412 posts)I think is was part of the plan, delay, delay. Then watch as Democrats in cities disappear. This is on purpose. They hate us!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Aquaria
(1,076 posts)With their small or nonexistent hospitals.
More people will die in the cities because more people.
More of the rural will die, per capita, because poor access to health care, poorer health overall, and they wont have social isolation in place until its too late.
Theyll also think theyre safer from infection because theyre (relatively) isolated. But all it takes is one to get it, and then a whole town or village get it because they are every bit as social as city people.
Lost Springs, Wyoming has only 8 people in the official village, but even they have a bar. Or they did, the last time I was there. Guess where adults from the village and the neighboring ranches are, most evenings?
At that bar.
When it hits rural America, whole villages could become ghost towns.
SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)area, so everyone has to go to that particular store to shop, or that particular bar, or that particular post office, etc. Everyone could possibly get CV from just one contact. Just wait and see...it'll happen. There's already been churches in that the entire congregation got sick w/ the CV. Same thing/concept will happen in smaller towns too.
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)People who live in rural areas dont socialize the same way. People in cities go out more, 7 days a week, because they have so many things to choose from on every day of the week.
That isnt the case for rural America.
When I was growing up in the boonies, most people went to the nearby town on Saturday for shopping and entertainment. Sunday was church day, if you were into that. Weekday evenings you were home. The rest of the time you were awake you were working or at school. Or, in the summer, goofing off on the farm when you had no chores.
So, yes, they congregate in the same spaces more, but they go out less often. City people go out more often, but are more likely to congregate in varied spaces.
If that makes sense.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The purple and light red surburbs are the places that decide the election, as long as the margin for Trump is held down reasonably in rural areas.
Churches, restaurants, golf courses in my area are closed down, church services are happening online in some cases. My youngest brother, who is a minister says that people who die are being cremated, their families have no choice in the matter. My area leans Trump, but Hillary got a surprisingly decent number of votes here given that she did absolutely NO campaigning here, or put any other resources in here, Trump actually held a rally in the largest city in the area. It is possible that in areas like mine, Trump will barely win, or even slightly loose if Biden runs a sound campaign, that would have a major impact statewide because Trump needs to run up his margins in places like my area.
pwb
(11,261 posts)They don't know what to do.
TryLogic
(1,722 posts)They gave us Trump. They protected Trump. They have defended and excused Trump.
They gave us Moscow Mitch "the grim reaper" McConnell.
They gave us Louie "you lied" Gohmert.
They gave us Brett Kavanaugh.
They gave us Samuel Alito.
They include Rush Limbaugh.
They include Sean Hannity.
They include FOX News.
They gave us governors who urge that grandparents be sacrificed to help the economy.
They gave us Dick Cheney, George W, his group of war mongers and the invasion of Iraq.
They gave us the Great Recession of 2008-2009.
They have given us world class liars.
They have given us the dumbest most self serving politicians in congress.
They started the attack on worker's unions beginning with an actor president named Reagan.
Heck, they gave our ancestors President Hoover who helped facilitate the Great Depression of the 1930s.
The Republicans are a plague!
paleotn
(17,911 posts)DFW
(54,358 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Trump-Republicons own this crisis
Republicons plowed the ground for tRump
Republicons seeded the ground with trumpanzees
Republicons created tRump as a Republ Icon in 2015-16
Republicons elected tRump candidate
Republicons endorsed tRump
Republicons voted for tRump
Republicons enable tRump
Republicons defend tRump
Republicons protect tRump
Trump-Republicons own this.
MagickMuffin
(15,936 posts)Just to be correct!
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)...they owned the Libtards.
mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)You know what I am going to put on his headstone....
At least I pissed of the librils.
Died from the hoax virus of 2020
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)but this time, i'm not in a forgiving mood.
BComplex
(8,041 posts)I'm a very patriotic person, and these asshats have voted in all of the people that are trying to destroy everything that is awesome about our country.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)abqtommy
(14,118 posts)still in the minority. We were ratfucked and since that's the only tactic tRUMP and his cultists know we can expect more of the same. Could it be that the inclusiveness generated by COVID-19 and tRUMP
may be the biggest game changer? I sure hope so.
bdamomma
(63,837 posts)some are getting out of the fog, death is facing them now due to his LIAR.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,999 posts)A misnamed genre if there ever was one.
I know someone who was on Naked & Afraid. They get a plane ticket and first night lodging before the "adventure" begins. They get some very nominal sum. I forget the exact amount, but like a part time job per day. Not much.
Some producers figured how to foist this programming on the public because production costs are very low, so even modest ratings are profitable.
The reality lies in their exploiting the folks on those shows!
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,999 posts)No writers & no actor pay. Low production costs, indeed.
Nululu
(840 posts)Single issue voters got him in but I'm hoping they'll finally get him out.
hatrack
(59,584 posts)I'd say that's a pretty solid single issue.
Aristus
(66,316 posts)But the death toll will be mitigated because we listen to the scientists and self-isolate.
Population density is lower in Red areas, but they are chock-a-block with libertarian "Th'dang gubmint cain't tell ME whut ta do!" fuckbrains who are going to infect all of their dentally-challenged neighbors, driving up their death toll.
Nululu
(840 posts)mahina
(17,646 posts)Or as David Brooks said on the PBS NewsHour, thats what you get when you elect a sociopath
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)sakabatou
(42,148 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Up until the last few weeks they were told to poo-poo the whole thing.
The whiplash might be snapping people out of the cult mindset.
SIX WEEKS the Trump administration did next to nothing, stupid travel bans and nonsense instead of preparing the nation logistically, physically, and emotionally. SIX WEEKS these same people got to play "Goof on the Libs" over the virus. Now they're watching their friends and relatives die.
jb5150
(1,178 posts)at the grocery store . maybe a few are waking up from their delusion, but a lot are too far down the rabbit hole to ever come back.
cilla4progress
(24,726 posts)are going up???
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Some people are clueless about current events and will answer a poll in a certain way. It doesn't mean that they're a voter.
There's the contingent of people who are as sadistic as Trump in seeing their perceived American enemies punished. I'm sure those people approve of him because his actions are leading to more sufferings.
An orderly approach to the virus starting weeks ago would have eased some of the pain we are going through now.
LPBBEAR
(295 posts)Trump is a sociopath. He has no empathy. He only cares about himself. He doesn't care about anyone and that even includes those that still support him.
I don't believe we will even see an election. Trump will use and abuse this crisis to keep himself in power. Martial Law, canceling elections, whatever excuse he can come up with he will use.
I believe millions of Americans will die as a result of his criminal negligence and he won't care in the least. Its not a question of when will he attack Blues states, he already is. (170 broken ventilators to California etc)
Its is my belief that he has to be removed, by force if needed, now. We won't see elections. I'm sure of that.
spooky3
(34,439 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)He failed. There's no question that he failed. The adaptations of our behavior because of Covid-19 are affecting us all.
It's something we have in common. There are those who can not be reached; but there's also a big population of people who will think twice about voting for more of the same for the next four years.
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)That's the last line I hear each time an interviewer talks to a farmer decimated by Trumps tariff war or doing nothing about the endless flooding in places like Iowa farmland.
agingdem
(7,848 posts)they'll swing back to their regularly schedule hate-fest
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)along with concepts behind the prosperity gospel and weak government.
Not only are they seeing death first-hand, they're seeing people's health permanently damaged, dreams and fortunes disappear overnight, social bonds broken and neighbors fighting over packs of toilet paper.
Tell him also this is to a large degree the result of ultra right-wing policies of decades of cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, and destroying the foundations of good government and leadership (in my recollection) since the days of Nixon.
That and the brainwashing of around 30% of our citizens to believe that's OK.......
Thanks for sharing that bit of good news.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)paraphrased
"they voted for a reality star...
now they (we) are living 'Survivor'."
JHB
(37,158 posts)..they were and make better use of the professionals.
No, this particular reality tv host was also the world's most obvious con man, with a lifetime of self-centeredness, shady practices, and a long, long track record of breaching contracts and stiffing "the little guy" as soon as he had what he wanted. Any home contractor/plumber/cabinetmaker/freelancer/etc. knows the type: everything is fine until it's time for him to write the final check. Then suddenly he's "not satisfied" and magically discovers a laundry-list of nit-picks.
Ignoring all that was above and beyond "vote[ing] for a reality TV host". I can't even.
Afromania
(2,768 posts)Chainfire
(17,531 posts)does not represent the mass of Trumpettes. You will know that the failures are being recognized when Trump's approval ratings drop into the mid 30% range.
progressoid
(49,983 posts)Response to shockey80 (Original post)
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Doreen
(11,686 posts)to regret your vote. Those voters share the responsibility of those deaths. The ONLY thing these people can do to show they are REALLY sorry is to ACTUALLY vote, NOT vote for trump, and NOT vote for a third party.
malaise
(268,943 posts)Fuck this monster
Firestorm49
(4,032 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Fuck them! There will be accountability (yeah, payback) - for a very long time to come. I will never give these assholes a break, never, never, never. Fuck them forever.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)He'll try but it won't work.
I'm sure they're trying to cook the books on how many have the virus and how many are dying from it. But it is so out of control, even the book cookers are getting it.
Couldn't happen to a worse prick.
I hope he gets the virus. That would be Karma.
mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)until it affected THEM. When his bile killed the Kurd, they were ok with it. When he caged kids, perfectly fine. When he ignored Puerto Rico they did not care.
Now he is destroying their white asses they are starting to come around? Fuck em.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Will be right back up inside Dr. Orange Anus. He'll dangle some red meat and they will lap it up. Evil doesn't change.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)We just found out that our daughter, a Family Medicine Professor will be taking her turn with other doctors caring for COVID19 patients. Mama is not happy! If she dies I will hold republicans responsible! I am proud of her! But perhaps her risks are not necessary! May God protect her!
thucythucy
(8,047 posts)I hope you and yours come through this. Know that your daughter is a hero, and your pride in her is absolutely justified.
Upthevibe
(8,038 posts)Clear Channel stations on the radio:
WHY DON'T OUR MILLIONAIRES: STEYER, BLOOMBERG, SOROS, BUFFET, ETC. but them?!?!?
cab67
(2,992 posts)There are several red hatters among my former high school classmates, some of whom I follow on Facebook. All of them, without exception, are convinced that Trump is showing strong leadership and that any criticism of the president comes from hatred.
They're also completely enraged at Nancy Pelosi for having (in their eyes) delayed the stimulus bill for political purposes.