Because Red States Aren't Shutting Down And Telling Their Citizens To Self-Isolate At Home....

[global1]

when they do finally get the message and begin to take the precautions - they essentially are going to extend the time the whole country has to stay home. They are not participating in flattening the curve and this will force the apex to peak later thereby extending the spread.

They will also will shoulder the blame for the economy not recovering sooner as it could if the whole country was under stay at home orders.

I don't think Trump has thought this through and the longer this extends this crisis his poll numbers will sink down. He won't be able to campaign. The economy will drag him down. It will be these Red States that will ultimately bring him down.

[onecaliberal]

1. Very good points.

[sarcasmo]

2. That's why this nightmare will extend into The Fall.

[TheBlackAdder]

40. . . .and through next Spring.

[DownriverDem]

73. And why our Italy trip

for a wedding in June is over. We will eat the tickets since we didn't take out insurance. I don't expect Italy to be open for travel any time soon.

[defacto7]

77. I don't know what airline you used but some are allowing

their tickets to become vouchers for future use. Other reservations hotels and what not it's hard to say, probably not.

[Kablooie]

3. Thought things through!?

He is incapable of thinking anything through.

He only reacts to what is right in front of him and his reaction is always to try to make himself look good at the moment.
There is no thinking of anything except "What would impress my cult members? I'll say that."

No matter what is thrown at him, he will deny it, accuse the person who is behind it of doing the thing instead of him, and then blame someone else.
And IT ALWAYS WORKS. it takes the heat off him and lets him react the same way to the next crisis.

This one is harder though. His tricks don't work very will against a virus nature has thrown at him.
I hope it crashes onto the whole maniacal right wing cult of hate and stupidity and burns them to the ground.

[Woodwizard]

82. Spot on

Never looks ahead or takes stock in the past.

[enki23]

4. Not quite. Nationally, they cause it to peak sooner. And higher.

[MiniMe]

5. Obviously you've mistaken tRump for somebody who gives a damn

[Cha]

8. It could be out of trump's control

whether he gives a damn or not.

[roamer65]

6. Maybe when we mobilize our national guards in unison and seal the borders with them.

[TryLogic]

60. Yes. Block persons traveling from those states, and avoid traveling to those states.

[underthematrix]

7. sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh Trumpsters are self-extincting which means if we're

very careful we can turn every red state blue.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

11. The virus kills without regard to ideology or party affiliation.

[Chicago1980]

16. True...

however, certain places have been taking much better precautions.

Those who believe and understand the severity of the situation are trying to protect themselves and others.

Those who believe it's a "democratic hoax" or scan by the deep state and media alliance. They'll be hit harder because of their disregard.

[lagomorph777]

25. Even in the emerging red-state hot zones, smart people will survive at higher rates.

And by "smart people" I mean pockets of Democrats.

[jimfields33]

32. Two states are doing something right

Hawaii and Wyoming. No deaths! We need to figure out what those two states are doing right and emulate what they are doing.

[lagomorph777]

37. They started with the advantage of geography.

Wyoming is sparsely populated; that will inherently help.

Hawaii probably has some early advantage because it's in the middle of the Pacific. But it's dense in the big cities; they will have to actively stay on top of it or they won't be safe for long. (I make no claim to know what either state is doing now).

[underthematrix]

74. BINGO

[cwydro]

80. Thank you.

Sick of this us vs them mentality in the face of a worldwide pandemic.

[Upthevibe]

17. underthematrix, YES.....

sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....I soooo agree with you!

[NewJeffCT]

34. you do realize that most of the cities even in red states where coronavirus hits hardest

are generally blue - New Orleans in LA; Houston, Austin, El Paso and San Antonio in TX, Atlanta in GA

[HotTeaBag]

55. Sigh, yeah.

Not to mention that anyone infected can simply get in their car and cross state lines into a state with a 'smarter, Democratic' populace and kill just as many there.

This whole 'let the Red States kill themselves off' polemic is tiresome and dangerous.

[Aquaria]

79. How is San Antonio

Hard hit? We have fewer cases than Austin, which is around 2/3 the size of San Antonio. Dallas and Houston are also much harder hit than Austin.

[Dorian Gray]

65. Good Lord

I assume this is a joke, but you're advocating genocide by suicide. There are kids and families and grandparents and human beings who've sacrificed for other people who will be killed. This isn't a red vs. blue thing anymore.

[underthematrix]

75. Actually, I'm advocating people be their neighbor's keepers and follow the guidelines of scientists

and experts.

I'm saying stay as far away from them you can and let them be. Their stupidity will turn their red state blue.

[smirkymonkey]

9. That is what he and his cult members don't get.

The more we adhere to the precautions now, the shorter the duration of this isolation phase will be. As long as people continue to ignore social distancing and spread the virus, the longer we will have to stay sheltered. This should be very simple, but as usual, right-wingers are extremely dense and can't really grasp this concept.

[Jamastiene]

18. I agree with what you said, but

I would add that right wingers refuse to believe any facts at all and they have a LOT of pride in how stubborn they are. They try to out-stubborn each other. They are dense on purpose, in other words. They do it as a bragging right. Who can be the most stubborn and believe the least facts? That is one of their favorite pastimes.

[lagomorph777]

26. Stupidity as a pastime is all fun and games until...

...millions of them die horrible deaths.

[patphil]

38. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Deliberate, intentional stupidity appears to be the objective.

[Chakaconcarne]

66. Actually, it's the opposite

SIP extends the duration, but reduces the mass influx to hospitals.

[smirkymonkey]

69. Not really, look at South Korea and Japan. They adhered to SD guidelines immediately, got tested,

quarantined if positive, and now they are pretty much at the end of it. We ignored the warning and we haven't even reached peak yet and can't be sure how long this will drag out. The more people stay in, the less the chance of the disease spreading throughout society, the shorter the severity of the pandemic.

Yes, there is still a time sacrifice, but the chances of having a long, drawn out full blown crisis like they are in Italy become lessened.

[rusty quoin]

10. I cannot predict shit today. I can only hope.

[c_junk]

12. Sounds like a probable outcome...

But I think you're forgetting that tRump is campaigning daily at each and every daily COVID-19 briefing. He can't have rallies so he has to be on TV, has to tell everyone how great he is!

[BigmanPigman]

13. Everyone knows we have to nip it in the bud...

Or as Bill Gates said the other night, "Rip the band aid off" meaning we must make harsh precautions NOW to avoid more damage that will happen the more it is drawn out. Shut the fucking country down down for 6-10 weeks, test everyone and do contact tracing. That is what we ALL must do, not just certain states. I am not self quarantining for 3 weeks now so people can run around the rest of the country like there is no virus. I am doing this for YOU who are not doing it. Be a responsible member of society of go live on a remote island.

[crickets]

47. +1000000

[Ms. Toad]

14. Red state here, and our precautions are as strict as any - more strict than most.

Starting with declaration of emergency within 24 hours of the first case in the state, and orders to shut down higher education the next day, followed rapidly by shutting down elementary and secondary schools, entertainment venues, gatherings of more than 50, restaurants, and a stay at home order.

Let's take political generalizations out of this and focus on pointing out states or leaders who are doing a good job, and holding specific leaders accountable - regardless of party affiliation. There are both Republicans who are leading the way, and Democrats who are lagging. If we fail to do that, we're doing just what the Republicans accuse us of doing: politicizing the pandemic rather than working together to get to the other side of it with as few lives destroyed as possible.

[lagomorph777]

27. Which state?

[Ms. Toad]

39. Ohio n/t

[lagomorph777]

41. DeWine does seem to be an exception in this situation.

Generally, not. But kudos to him for acting sane in an emergency.

[Phoenix61]

31. The governor has the legal authority to

issue those types of orders. DeWine seems to have a grasp of the situation. So yes, there may be a repub gov that is doing the right thing and I know there are Dem govs of red states that are doing the right thing.

[Ms. Toad]

42. My point is largely that this obsession with the color of the state or governor or state

Is separating us artificially,at a time we all need to be pulling together, because there are responsible, and less s responsible actors of all political colors.

[crickets]

48. It's an excellent point and thank you for making it so eloquently. nt

[Mendocino]

70. Ohio

has 1933 cases with 39 deaths, with a population 0f 11.7m. Dewine has been very proactive. I'm glad for the efforts of Ohio.

[Ms. Toad]

72. So am I.

I am also grateful he has consistently declined to engage in political back and forth with reporters. Quite a few are actively trying to get him to condemn Trump. I'm not sure what they expect to accomplish from a "making Ohio safer" standpoint - since all that will do is make Trump mad, and then we will be in Trump's doghouse. There's no reason to pick that fight.

(Not that it should be a fight anywhere - but it is far better just to do the right thing and - like your mother always said - if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. That obviously does not apply to places like Michigan or New York - but in places where saying something negative would hurt the residents of the state . . . )

[Mendocino]

83. Today Ohio 2pm 4-1

2547 cases with 65 deaths. Dewine and Dr.Acton have been stalwart.

[Ms. Toad]

84. A friend of mine just told me that Acton

was a volunteer and organizer for Obama (and I confirmed it.

That makes what is going on in Ohio an even more impressive demonstration of putting politics aside for the benefit of Ohioans.

(I'm listening to the press conference right now - it's my daily addiction, and probably the only time I have voluntarily listened to so many hours of Republicans speaking.)

[Mendocino]

85. I'm listening too.

I'm in Lucas County, Toledo area.

[Ms. Toad]

87. I'm in Summit County

I haven't looked today - but yesterday we were #1 in everything but deaths.

Update: I just checked today - and several counties have now left us in the dust. (We're around #5, generally)

[Mendocino]

88. My son lived in

Cuyahoga Falls for a few years.

[Ms. Toad]

89. I think you misspeled Caucasian . . .

[OnDoutside]

15. Agree but they will never take responsibility. Instead, it will be "God's Will".

[GentryDixon]

19. He's campaigning every day with these news conferences/lie fests.

[ecstatic]

20. Agreed. I think most people bought their 2 weeks supplies

weeks ago, because we assumed we'd end up being locked down to nip the outbreak in the bud. That was the perfect time to move forward but I guess I didn't anticipate that trump would still be allowed to put himself first during this crisis.

His inaction is only dragging things out and needlessly increasing the death toll.

[Luz]

21. I'm in San Antonio watching our morning traffic. There

seems to be more than last week
Looks like at least half of us are going to work..or somewhere.
I'm getting out later for my supplies, but that's it. From the behaviour I see in my town, were gonna be hit hard.

[42bambi]

36. Also in San Antonio but in a rural subdivision. The traffic is not quite as

bad as it was a couple of weeks ago mostly due to the school closings, I think. What few things I need I shop online and pick up at curbside. We are about 7 miles from an HEB and a Walmart. Traffic here has slowed except for pickup trucks. It seems almost normal here, but when I see how quiet and isolated other cities are, I wonder when we will be in that kind of environment. Rather worrisome isn't it. Stay safe Luz.

[Aquaria]

81. San Antonio has

A higher than usual essential services community than most.

That’s what happens when a county has multiple military bases and sub-stations. Plus being the regional mail processor for 780-782 zip codes. Plus being a large city that’s a county seat. Plus being home to a massive regional health care system. Plus being the corporate headquarters for the region’s primary grocery chain. And then all the support personnel necessary for them—cops, firefighters, utilities, etc.

All of that means we have a higher concentration of essential workers per capita than most places. And they all have to go to work.

When you get away from the freeways, though, even some of the busiest streets are quiet. I live off one of those, and it’s been more like it was when I first moved here. It’s been refreshing to get my husband to work without the headaches of recent years.

[Generic Brad]

22. There seems to be a misperception of how red states are responding

In my corner of TN the vast majority of businesses are closed and the ones that are open (with the exception of grocery stores) are drive through or delivery only. Most are taking precautions.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. I saw a Mexican restaurant open in Crossville yesterday. Only one I know of.

Drive thru and pick up/delivery only for the rest.

[samnsara]

30. the last time i ventured out hubby and i grabbed a burger at a place we hadnt eaten at since college

....normally a drive thru anyway and it was very very busy. Im glad..its a mom and pop joint and i want them to survive.

[Johnny2X2X]

24. There is variation from state to state

This is a lack of leadership, a strong leader takes the burden of these decision off from lower level leaders.

[samnsara]

28. i am SO THANKFUL the virus was discovered first in my state of Washington..

...where we already had an aggressive science based flu study. Docs there took swabs of all pts coming in with flu symptoms..even tho the Fed told the docs to stop collecting swabs ( not sure why.. maybe confidentiality issues?) ...they did any way. AND thats how we caught the first virus.


My gawd if it had hit a red state..or any less progressive state.. first, they would just now be identifying it in the US.

[gordianot]

29. We are making face masks and are donating them for free.

Living in what some would consider a red state we will defend our shelter.

[Gothmog]

33. Red state governors were slow in adopting social distancing

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[bluescribbler]

35. "I don't think Trump has thought this through"

I don't think he has thought anything through. He is simply incapable of that kind of thought.

[IronLionZion]

43. His plan was to peak the curve, not flatten it

Hoping to kill off people in our cities and blue states early. Mayors and governors who actually care about their people had to act locally to thwart that plan.

Freepers constantly justify authoritarian and openly racist measures as being worth it if it saves just one life. Sacrifices must be made. Pro-life. Think of the children. etc. And that turned out to be complete BS as they want to wipe out our elderly and vulnerable so they can get back to reaping sweet stock market profits from their comfy homes.

Our homeless don't have homes to quarantine and it's impossible to social distance in overcrowded shelters. They're going to get it hard because of Trump's slow action.

And the rural areas won't be spared. Rural people visit each other, go to churches and schools, Trump rallies, sporting events, and so much more. Don't think for a second that people with country houses and forests or farmland in between are social distancing. Even if we eventually beat this virus in our cities, it will continue longer in the country.

[SWBTATTReg]

44. Again showing how selfish they are, in prolonging this whole thing for all of us, not just them too.

And in the process, they are simply killing themselves, family members, friends, etc. I hope that this gets thrown into their faces, as it should be.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

45. This is Trump's chance to be a leader

Instead of yammering about re-opening the country for Easter, he ought to be telling all states to hunker down for the moment to get this under control. I don't expect for this to happen, though. :-/

[LAS14]

46. Not sheltering doesn't extend the time line. Instead it kills lots more people. nt

[crickets]

49. Red state communities are shutting down more than you may realize.

Our community is not all that large but we are taking steps. The city council has passed an ordinance closing all schools and closing daycare for all but children of first responders and other emergency services. No more than two may gather on city owned property (sidewalks, bike trail and the like) and no public gatherings of larger than ten people--yes that means churches too, no on site alcohol sales, take out dining only with employees required to have their temperatures taken and tracked. The only businesses open to the public are pharmacies and grocery stores, all required to allow for social distancing. City Hall and the Police Department are drive up window only; misdemeanors are handled with non-custodial arrests. There is a curfew from 9pm to 6am.

Everyone in the country is dealing with having a feckless idiot in charge and that lack of leadership puts us all on the back foot, but ours is not the only community in the state taking these steps. Communities are following form with state wide requirements set out by our governor.

These days, other than people out mowing their lawns in the morning, it is so quiet. The normal background noise of kids playing in the yard down the street: gone. Traffic is a trickle. Maybe the city could have done something sooner, maybe they could do a little more. But make no mistake, the community is not ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. We are fortunate enough to have a fine hospital here that serves the entire county. Sadly, there are coronavirus patients. At least one has died. It's very sad, was likely preventable as so much of this nightmare was. It didn't have to be this way for any of us.

It's easy to point fingers and blame the other, but now is not the time. If it bleeds, it leads: you're hearing loud noise about the worst of us with very little coverage of the rest of us because the noisy people get better ratings. The rest of us really are doing the best we can to take this seriously and deal with it responsibly. Now is not the time for picking sides for the political dodgeball team. We as a country need to try to be better than that.

We really are better than that.

[BComplex]

50. Republicans never think things through to their logical conclusion. Never. They don't know how.

Their brains don't work that way, because they're so focused on themselves, and the more immediate gratification/self-pride. That's why they're such poor leaders.

[unblock]

51. indeed, they're so fixated on short-term greed, they cheat themselves out of long-term greed.

trying to "reopen" the economy by easter is a good example. that would have only caused the whole problem to last longer, cheating themselves out of long-term profit for the sake of a (futile) shot at shot-term profit.

more typically, they refuse to ever consider a higher tax rate, even if the government spends that revenue on making the economy boom, making more money for rich people even given the slightly higher tax rate.


but then, republicans are particularly warped about taxes. my mother used to do financial planning, and sometimes she'd have republicans come in and ask her to make things so the government got nothing. she said, wouldn't you rather have more money left over after taxes? they'd say no, i don't care if i have less money, as long as the government doesn't get any of it! idiotic, really.

[Jirel]

52. Red Stater - Texas is doing ok.

As I'm writing this, I'm listening to the mayor of the closest (small) city to my rural town. He's doing really well on a Facebook Live. He's keeping up more work on this than Dump ever imagined doing. The nearest large city is on a pretty tight shutdown. This mayor is at least as strict. He's talking about science and the numbers here and around the world, and what he has done to shut down irresponsibility, and what he's likely to do soon if certain behavior keeps up. He's logical, well-reasoned, transparent, and very straightforward. With only 7 cases, 6 from travel (thanks, spring break kids) and 1 catching it from a sick family member they were caring for, he's talking about his next step being a complete lockdown.

So, I'm nervous about Louisiana and eastward, which also makes me worry about the Houston area based on people fleeing.

[stopbush]

53. But, but...Jeebuz is lord!

[a la izquierda]

54. I'm in WV and everything's pretty much been...

closed up since March 18. Out governor generally sucks, but we’ve got one of the least healthy, poorest populations.

[procon]

56. News reports 20 states are refusing to issue stay home orders.

Going out on a rickety limb to predict these will all be states in Republican control. Residents of nearly half the states in the country have gone rogue and placed the rest of us in greater danger.

Red states with bare bones public healthcare programs, where the poor can't afford to see a doctor until they're half dead. The political leaders of those states will take no responsibility for willfully spreading the virus.

If Trump tried to put New York under quarantine just because he had a mad on for Cuomo, why isn't he ordering all of those 20 reckless states quarantined?

[MuseRider]

57. My red state has a Democratic governor and we have been

shut down for some time now. The R's that populate our legislature are horrible remaining tea-baggers and they have challenged her all along but she has gotten it done. We are, the entire state, at a "only out for food or medicine or if you work an essential job" place and will stay that way for at least 2 weeks but likely until the end of April. They called her a "tin pot dictator authoritarian" but she is tougher and smarter than they are and she just moves ahead. They came back to read her orders because they thought they were stupid but they ended up not changing them. THIS red state, with very few testing kits, has been working it's ass off to contain things. The dumb asses that do not believe in it are still there but mostly we are grateful that we can stay at home safely and when we need to get it out it is still fairly safe.

[WyattKansas]

58. Kansas began stay at home orders today, March 30th

With the exception of getting essentials or needed workers.

[MuseRider]

67. We have been doing it

for longer. I think the entire state started yesterday but where I live we have been doing it for longer than that. Whatever, it is being done. Thank god we are not having this crisis under Browback or Kobach.

[jcgoldie]

59. "I don't think Trump has thought this through..."

Sentence works for every issue over the past 4 years... just sayin’ 🤷‍♀️

[Demovictory9]

61. true. lets all lockdown for may. get this nightmare over with. their tourist trade will suffer

for longer if they dont act now

[Initech]

62. I agree.

I don't like being locked down but it's there for a reason. And these morons who aren't taking this seriously are going to be hit the hardest.

I just want to get out of this nightmare as fast as possible with as minimal damage as possible. And not do anything stupid along the way. Which you know Trump will do something stupid.

[Sapient Donkey]

63. I live in North Texas (Fort Worth), and it seems like people are taking it seriously

I see a lot of it online, but most the people I interact with seem to understand what's going on. Even my parents who are annoying Trump-lovers seem to understand this (maybe I played a role in this, I dunno). Counties around the state have been issue shelter orders too. Not just the larger more liberal cities. Then again, I don't how much a red state Texas is these days. If only the governor would stop being a moron and make it state-wide just to do the right thing.

[subana]

64. I've been thinking the same thing for awhile now

clearly a virus doesn't care if it attacks a liberal or a conservative but republican actions or inactions makes it more likely that the results will be worse in their states.

This thing is so huge, it's not likely to show a more positive result for months! Trump can try to campaign but I can't imagine how even a republican would be ok with his inactions while more americans become sick & more are dying every day! They may try, they've surprised me before by sinking to new lows.

[Steelrolled]

68. Which states are not taking precautions?

[tazmaniac]

71. The orange devil is getting his campaigning done

on a daily basis with his hour long Coronavirus Updates done at the convenient time when people are about to watch their local news.

[la-trucker]

76. When does Trump think anything through?

The red states will have their eye-opening moment sooner rather than later.

[gibraltar72]

78. 15 minutes at a time.

[coti]

86. Yes, that is a serious underlying problem. nt