Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:48 AM
OnDoutside (19,706 posts)
Richard A. Epstein behind the The Contrarian Coronavirus Theory That Informed the Trump Admin.
Yet another Libertarian.
The Contrarian Coronavirus Theory That Informed the Trump Administration President Trump, who at one point called the coronavirus pandemic an “invisible enemy” and said it made him a “wartime President,” has in recent days questioned its seriousness, tweeting, “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF.” Trump said repeatedly that he wanted the country to reopen by Easter, April 12th, contradicting the advice of most health officials. (On Sunday, he backed down and extended federal social-distancing guidelines for at least another month.) According to the Washington Post, “Conservatives close to Trump and numerous administration officials have been circulating an article by Richard A. Epstein of the Hoover Institution, titled ‘Coronavirus Perspective,’ which plays down the extent of the spread and the threat.” "A simple stupid error" Lots more at https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-contrarian-coronavirus-theory-that-informed-the-trump-administration
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OnDoutside | Mar 2020 | OP |
The Magistrate | Mar 2020 | #1 | |
JHB | Mar 2020 | #2 | |
Botany | Mar 2020 | #3 | |
JHB | Mar 2020 | #9 | |
GusBob | Mar 2020 | #4 | |
malaise | Mar 2020 | #5 | |
bucolic_frolic | Mar 2020 | #12 | |
dalton99a | Mar 2020 | #13 | |
malaise | Mar 2020 | #15 | |
groundloop | Mar 2020 | #16 | |
malaise | Mar 2020 | #24 | |
jrthin | Mar 2020 | #18 | |
scrabblequeen40 | Mar 2020 | #6 | |
dalton99a | Mar 2020 | #14 | |
gibraltar72 | Mar 2020 | #7 | |
superpatriotman | Mar 2020 | #8 | |
Bernardo de La Paz | Mar 2020 | #10 | |
dalton99a | Mar 2020 | #11 | |
Botany | Mar 2020 | #26 | |
True Blue American | Mar 2020 | #31 | |
Botany | Mar 2020 | #33 | |
True Blue American | Mar 2020 | #35 | |
paleotn | Mar 2020 | #17 | |
malaise | Mar 2020 | #19 | |
Hugin | Mar 2020 | #21 | |
Hugin | Mar 2020 | #20 | |
LiberalFighter | Mar 2020 | #22 | |
ancianita | Mar 2020 | #23 | |
bucolic_frolic | Mar 2020 | #25 | |
Lonestarblue | Mar 2020 | #27 | |
Laelth | Mar 2020 | #28 | |
muriel_volestrangler | Mar 2020 | #34 | |
localroger | Mar 2020 | #29 | |
True Blue American | Mar 2020 | #30 | |
greatauntoftriplets | Mar 2020 | #32 |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:51 AM
The Magistrate (93,391 posts)
1. Jesus Wept, Sir
"What a nimrod! What a ultra-maroon!"
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:17 AM
JHB (36,272 posts)
2. "The question to ask... [is] whether I had the right model"
Considering that we're already halfway to your revised number, it's pretty clear the answer is "no".
Perhaps you should examine the false assumptions that went into your model. Why should we assume that was any better than your proofreading? |
Response to JHB (Reply #2)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:40 AM
Botany (67,339 posts)
3. The problem with his "right model" is that he picked the outcome he wanted and then built a model...
... that gave him his desired outcome. In science you look at known and proven facts and or
data and then and then plug those into a viable model which depending on the quality of the facts, data, and model you can predict an outcome. Besides he is a right wing lawyer not an epidemiologist, a biologist, or a Dr.. This is no difference to Trump lashing onto using a medicine for malaria for C-19 which was pushed on some wing nut web site. |
Response to Botany (Reply #3)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:13 AM
JHB (36,272 posts)
9. That's been true since the 70s...
"Model" = line of BS dressed up with carefully selected verbiage and/or numbers.
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:41 AM
GusBob (7,231 posts)
4. Public relations gaffe lol
Sick man
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:47 AM
malaise (254,388 posts)
5. Serious question
When did a law professor become an expert on a public health pandemic?
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Response to malaise (Reply #5)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:18 AM
bucolic_frolic (36,067 posts)
12. Ain't that the truth /nt
Response to malaise (Reply #5)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:20 AM
dalton99a (74,338 posts)
13. Epstein knows more about medicine than doctors because he went to law school
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #13)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:22 AM
malaise (254,388 posts)
15. What a fucking idiot
He should be fired from NYU for spreading dangerous lies about a pandemic.
Folks should petition NYU. If Fux can be sued so can this asshole. |
Response to malaise (Reply #5)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:35 AM
groundloop (10,922 posts)
16. That's the problem with this administration, refusal to believe true experts.....
and instead taking advise that's more to their liking from self declared experts. This is just like the morons on fox news* who talk about climate change not being as bad as everyone says and citing opinions from an 'expert' whose background is economics. They just can't bother to be inconvenienced by truth and the opinions of real experts.
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Response to groundloop (Reply #16)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:56 AM
malaise (254,388 posts)
24. How will it look best for Don the murderous Con
That's the only thing that matters
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:58 AM
scrabblequeen40 (334 posts)
6. Godspeed Karma....eom
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:05 AM
gibraltar72 (7,104 posts)
7. Cool tactic just keep moving the decimal point.
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:08 AM
superpatriotman (6,079 posts)
8. They can explain away everything
Best to show them as unreliable and unqualified and follow the science.
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:17 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (44,660 posts)
10. Damn "educated" people don't understand the simplest thing about "exponential growth". They
They think "exponential" simply means "big" or "fast", partly because the stupid media use it that way too. But if a LAWYER is going to expound on epidemics they need to understand the most basic thing about disease spread. Exponential is not additive or multiplicative. It is a power function. Doubling every three days does not mean 4x after 6, then 6x after 9, 8x after 12, 10x after 15, and 12x after 18. No. It means 4x after 6, 8x after 9, 16x after 12, 32x after 15, and 64x after 18. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:18 AM
dalton99a (74,338 posts)
11. So this fucking legal scholar Richard Epstein pretended to be a medical doctor and an epidemiologist
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:10 AM
Botany (67,339 posts)
26. "Richard Epstein pretended to be a medical doctor and an epidemiologist" and so has Trump.
Trump on Coronavirus: "I'm Not Sure Anybody Even Knows What It Is"; "You Can Call It A Germ,
You Can Call It A Flu" BTW from years ago @ Ohio U I had a microbiology prof who always said, "There is no such thing as a germ. We have viruses, bacteria, fungi, microbes, and so on but we have no germs." |
Response to Botany (Reply #26)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:32 AM
True Blue American (16,818 posts)
31. Ohio U?
My Grandson is now taking his classes in his bedroom there!
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #31)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:41 AM
Botany (67,339 posts)
33. I kind of remember my time there
n/t
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Response to Botany (Reply #33)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:07 PM
True Blue American (16,818 posts)
35. That is what my Son says about his College Days!
Me, I remember,I was middle aged!
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:36 AM
paleotn (15,716 posts)
17. That's what happens when lawyers step out of their lane
They get run over. Another case of the death of expertise.
Hey, Ineptstein. Stick to the law an leave the science of epidemiology to those who've spent like most of their freaking lives studying the subject. Fucking idiot. |
Response to paleotn (Reply #17)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:44 AM
malaise (254,388 posts)
19. Ineptstein
Perfect
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Response to paleotn (Reply #17)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:49 AM
Hugin (31,218 posts)
21. +1
Thanks for saying what I was thinking.
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:48 AM
Hugin (31,218 posts)
20. So, a lawyer is giving public health medical advice?
Shades of Dr. Strangelove.
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:50 AM
LiberalFighter (45,558 posts)
22. And this guy came out of Brooklyn?
Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #22)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:55 AM
ancianita (30,829 posts)
23. Even SCIENTISTS won't predict planetary dynamics like this more than ten days out.
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:58 AM
bucolic_frolic (36,067 posts)
25. S'ok, Prof., it created a great market short /nt
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:20 AM
Lonestarblue (7,347 posts)
27. Not "simple stupid error"--simple stupid person.
Over the past three years, I’ve watched as Trump lurched from one idea to another, often contradicting his own ideas. At one point, I believed that he had early onset dementia, following in his father's footsteps. I now think that his public appearances where he has slurred his words or been unable to recall precise words are related to the excess of drugs he takes to give him enough energy to get through a day. His inability to correctly pronounce words when reading from a teleprompter may well be vision problems as he is too vain to wear glasses and may not be adaptable for contacts.
Those thoughts leave me with one conclusion. We cannot blame his inhumanity and his deliberate cruelty on dementia. Donald Trump’s personality and his total lack of concern for anyone but Trump are to blame for how he behaves here and on the world stage. I’m sure he believes that any number of deaths are just the price to be paid for his re-election. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:22 AM
Laelth (32,014 posts)
28. The question is whether a LAWYER should be making predictions at all.
Shouldn’t such things be left to doctors and epidemiologists?
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Response to Laelth (Reply #28)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:17 AM
muriel_volestrangler (99,211 posts)
34. The amazing thing is he ends up shouting down the journalist about expertise
as if he has it (journalist in bold):
I know, but these are scientific issues here.
You know nothing about the subject but are so confident that you’re going to say that I’m a crackpot. No. Richard— That’s what you’re saying, isn’t it? That’s what you’re saying? I’m not saying anything of the sort. Admit to it. You’re saying I’m a crackpot. I’m not saying anything of the— Well, what am I then? I’m an amateur? You’re the great scholar on this? No, no. I’m not a great scholar on this. Tell me what you think about the quality of the work! O.K. I’m going to tell you. I think the fact that I am not a great scholar on this and I’m able to find these flaws or these holes in what you wrote is a sign that maybe you should’ve thought harder before writing it. What it shows is that you are a complete intellectual amateur. Period. O.K. Can I ask you one more question? You just don’t know anything about anything. You’re a journalist. Would you like to compare your résumé to mine? No, actually, I would not. Then good. Then maybe what you want to do is to say, “Gee, I’m not quite sure that this is right. I’m going to check with somebody else.” But, you want to come at me hard, I am going to come back harder at you. And then if I can’t jam my fingers down your throat, then I am not worth it. But you have basically gone over the line. If you want to ask questions, ask questions. I put forward a model. But a little bit of respect. The journalist, in addition to the holes he has already found in the article, got actual experts to look over the interview, and they said Epstein is full of shit. Notice that, like Trump, this idiot thinks that he's due "respect", and that pointing out his errors is disrespectful. |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:23 AM
localroger (3,267 posts)
29. "if the total death toll increases at about the same rate..."
Which is exactly not what exponential growth does, you ignorant fuck
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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:28 AM
True Blue American (16,818 posts)
30. Meanwhile
Valuable time was lost, thanks to this and the help will not be enough to avoid a recession!
https://americanindependent.com/donald-trump-coronavirus-economy-2020-election-stimulus-package-congress-covid-19/ |
Response to OnDoutside (Original post)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:32 AM
greatauntoftriplets (174,472 posts)
32. OMG, according to Wikipedia, he's a "fan" of Calvin Coolidge.
I wonder if he's also anti-vaxx.
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