Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Me.

(35,454 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:41 PM Mar 2020

FRanklin GRaham Is Behind Field Hospital In Central Park And...

“On Tuesday morning, a makeshift tent hospital in Central Park will begin treating overflow patients from Mount Sinai, as the spread of COVID-19 begins to overwhelm local hospitals. Announcing the 68-bed respiratory unit this weekend, Mayor Bill de Blasio praised the relief organization, Samaritan's Purse, responsible for funding and erecting the facility.

The mayor did not mention that the group is led by Franklin Graham, a notorious anti-LGBTQ and Islamophobic preacher with a track record of using humanitarian missions to proselytize an evangelical agenda.

Graham, the son of prominent minister Billy Graham, has specifically sought to recruit Christian medical staff to the Central Park facility. According to the group's website, all volunteers, including health care workers, should read and adhere to a statement of faith, in which marriage is defined as "exclusively the union of one genetic male and one genetic female" and the unrighteous are sentenced to "everlasting punishment in hell.

Asked whether the Mayor's Office considers this problematic, a City Hall spokesperson said the field hospital will operate as a Mount Sinai facility, and must adhere to the hospital's policy against discrimination. The spokesperson did not say whether the city was concerned that volunteers on the project are expected to agree with the group's anti-gay faith statement."

https://gothamist.com/news/samaritans-purse-franklin-graham-anti-gay-evangelical-central-park

22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
FRanklin GRaham Is Behind Field Hospital In Central Park And... (Original Post) Me. Mar 2020 OP
Thank them for the help Pantagruel Mar 2020 #1
Agreed Me. Mar 2020 #9
Yes, there does seem to be a fist inside that velvet glove. nt crickets Mar 2020 #12
Send them to Lynchburg Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #2
There are five confirmed cases in Lynchburg FBaggins Mar 2020 #5
And Jerry Falwell Jr Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #7
I think that's about 1/10th of their on-campus enrollment FBaggins Mar 2020 #11
The problem is, they came into the community from all over the country Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #15
If/When it comes to extreme triage as to who lives or dies NCDem47 Mar 2020 #3
Something tells me it won't work that way. Steelrolled Mar 2020 #4
Let's hope. NCDem47 Mar 2020 #8
Then you are an optimist Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #10
Sometimes being benevolent isn't enough for me to extend Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #6
Graham is in for a surprise PJMcK Mar 2020 #13
Let's see if I've got this straight FBaggins Mar 2020 #14
I was referring to Graham's discriminatory behavior PJMcK Mar 2020 #16
Two different things FBaggins Mar 2020 #17
I wonder......... DFW Mar 2020 #18
Interestimg Question Me. Mar 2020 #19
If so.......... DFW Mar 2020 #20
Also Me. Mar 2020 #22
How does stopping a woman without a 2nd X chromosome from getting married fight COVID? ck4829 Mar 2020 #21

Me.

(35,454 posts)
9. Agreed
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

Word really isn't out on this and in a city like NYC, once it is, it will become an issue. Then there will be demands for strict oversight. The help is welcome but the philosophy isn't.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
11. I think that's about 1/10th of their on-campus enrollment
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:06 PM
Mar 2020

I don't think it would be that hard for them to follow the existing social distancing guidelines.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,457 posts)
15. The problem is, they came into the community from all over the country
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 03:12 PM
Mar 2020

They attend a college that rejects science and believe and invisible sky fairy will keep them safe. If only 1% of them came back with the disease, they would spread it to three people each. So, the day after they arrived the infection chain goes like this

19-->57-->171-->513-->1,539-->4,617-->13,851-->41,553 infected by day seven. (each person infects 3 people)

If we discount these numbers to account for "social distancing" mbers down. So. let's just assume 1% of that number, and we come up with 416 cases in JUST Lynchburg, a city in a state with 1,250 cases as of yesterday.

We are seeing that precautions against the virus depend on your politics. The redder the city/state, the less precautions taken. This is a blood red campus, in a pretty red city.

But, time will tell us how many lives their stupidity and arrogance will cost. In the meantime, let's keep the religious zealots away from people needing medical attention.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
3. If/When it comes to extreme triage as to who lives or dies
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:47 PM
Mar 2020

THESE guys are going to make that call???

Gays? No.

Muslims? No.

Jews? No.

Unmarried with children (straight only need to apply)? No.

People of color? Iffy.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
13. Graham is in for a surprise
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020

New Yorkers won't like his shit. Most New Yorkers won't put up with his discrimination and religious nonsense.

New Yorkers will metaphorically kick his ass to the curb.

I've lived in and around New York most of my life. I know my city.

Besides, the Mt. Sinai hospital system is huge and diverse. I live near the hospital (when there isn't a viral crisis) and a great many of the medical professionals live in the neighborhood renting apartments from the hospital's corporation. These folks are from all around the world and represent nearly every group you could imagine. The spectrum of diversity won't allow Graham's bullshit to flourish. Not in New York.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. Let's see if I've got this straight
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 02:05 PM
Mar 2020

The city is (justifiably) worried that they're about to run out of beds and ventilators - causing thousands to die who would otherwise survive... and somebody shows up with a fully-equipped 68-bed hospital and a full staff at no charge... BUT all of those workers are from a religion that most New Yorkers disagree with.

And you think that nobody will "put up with their nonsense"? Those beds are just going to sit empty?

I'm not a betting man, but I'm having trouble thinking of odds high enough that I wouldn't want to take that bet.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
16. I was referring to Graham's discriminatory behavior
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 03:30 PM
Mar 2020

That's all.

Of course, New York will accept any help we can get.

It's just that medicine doesn't mix well with religious bigotry or fundamentalism.

I'm sure you can understand that. If Graham's medical team refuses treatment of, say, gay men, do you think New Yorkers and their government will sit idly by? I really don't.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
17. Two different things
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 04:07 PM
Mar 2020
If Graham's medical team refuses treatment of, say, gay men, do you think New Yorkers and their government will sit idly by? I really don't.

I don't either... but I seriously doubt that will happen (and they say so explicitly). Their statement of faith is about who can represent the organization... who can be part of their "ministry". Not about who they will minister to.

These mobile hospitals have been deployed all over the world... and their medical volunteers help in dozens of "mission hospitals" around the world - virtually none of which are in what I would consider to be "white anglo-saxon protestant" areas. If they discriminated against people who didn't look like them in the delivery of medical care... I'm sure we would have heard about it by now.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
18. I wonder.........
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 04:12 PM
Mar 2020

Does threatening "everlasting punishment in hell" constitute the legal definition of a threat? If so under NY law, then they have a legal basis for kicking his pompous ass the hell outta their state--after three months in a city jail, preferably.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
20. If so..........
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 04:20 PM
Mar 2020

Then I hope he gets judge Chaim Goldberg. His "Christian" defense probably won't carry quite as much weight.......

Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. Also
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 04:23 PM
Mar 2020

an amazing number of non-Christian docs and nurses in this city, so I wonder how well that threat will work/go over

ck4829

(35,039 posts)
21. How does stopping a woman without a 2nd X chromosome from getting married fight COVID?
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 04:22 PM
Mar 2020

There are also people with an extra Y chromosome and people with an extra X chromosome?

They're not genetically male or female in the same way other males or females are.

Franklin Graham needs to put aside this unwarranted hate for people with different chromosome structures.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»FRanklin GRaham Is Behind...