Alarms going off about the sudden change of direction by the Trumpians !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Peacetrain]

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Starting a couple of days ago, "they" including Trump himself started talking about this week would be so hard on all of Americans.. that the death rate would peak and it would be awful... yes it will be awful..but there is no way in the world we are peaking this early, with the virus starting to crop up in Il, La, etc..

Something smells to high heaven here. Just for the hell of it, I tuned in Fox News this AM and they were all sitting on the sofa, with long faces talking about how this was going to be such a hard week.

I think that old walnut shell came con is being pulled on us as a nation.

People are going to start thinking the worst is past.

And this selling of unproven drugs? who has money in that pharmaceutical group??



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[Thomas Hurt]

1. Trump is managing expectations.

IMO, he is giving a number of dead that he is betting high and we will come in well under the number.

The miracle cure more bee ess. He is cheerleading for his re-election instead of being forthright.

[Peacetrain]

2. There is definitely something rotten going on here..

[uponit7771]

13. +1, Seeing that we're under testing and the "hot spots" will be rolling instead of just in NY

... I don't see how they're projecting any of their models without a complete lock down of the small and medium cities in the US.

That's not happening now

[OnDoutside]

18. And he's wrong ! He's over promising again....this week isn't the peak.

[Thomas Hurt]

20. He doesn't care whether he is wrong or not, it is the bet he is willing to make with lives.

If he loses the bet, he will come up with a new scam.

[OnDoutside]

69. That's true, he's in the moment.

[DallasNE]

66. You Can Manage Expectations

When all it takes is a Tweet. Covid-19 pays no attention to Tweets so it is a different ball game. His words ring hollow so few pay serious attention to him any more. Georgia reopened their beaches for the weekend so that will be a new hot spot starting in about 3-4 days. Megachurches are open for business around the nation. More hot spots. You can't fix stupid, you can only remove it. Don't see that happening before the November election. Even then Trump may not cooperate with the President-elect. Tough sailing ahead.

[Thomas Hurt]

67. fascist selective populism...

[33taw]

3. The peak for NY and a few others is near. However, most states are much farther out in

April or early May.

[Peacetrain]

4. True that... They are going to try and move us off

of mitigation .. and it is going to kill people..

edit to add... mitigation through avoidance of people..the only really proven action to slow down the virus

[33taw]

5. NY is two days from their projected peak. That will skew perception because of all the attention

they receive. Trump will say we are all clear and want to open everyone up across the nation.

[Peacetrain]

9. Bingo!!!

[uponit7771]

14. +1, It'll still take NY a month after peak get back to normal with no restrictions. That's the

... part no one wants to talk about .. when to get back to normal not just post peak

[John Fante]

27. Exactly. Italy peaked and then stayed there for quite a bit.

This is far from over.

[uponit7771]

44. +1, Looks like Italy is STILL "there" 4,000 a day that's pretty damn high. I think people

... are stuck at reducing growth of daily rate vs growth of overall cases of.

If the growth of rate is zero but the new daily cases are 20,000 a day that's horrible

[Harker]

51. The peak might look more like a mesa

and less like the Matterhorn.

[Peacetrain]

71. It is going to be as long coming down as it was going up most likely

[kiri]

45. back to normal will not happen

Back to normal is not realistic. The economic disruptions will last for a long time. Loss of experienced employees, loss of revenue, loans to repay, customer habits changed, ...

But those who did not die, 'recovered' are going to number in the tens of thousands, long-term or permanently disabled who will need ventilators for months or years. They are alive but not going back to work. They will need continuing care from loved ones or trained caregivers.

The on-going economic costs have not even been guessed at.

The notion of being cured, like getting over a cold, is wrong. In lucky cases this will be so, but in at least 30% of cases there will be lasting lung scaring, kidney damage, lingering health issues, and fatigue.

[subana]

55. it will take a looooong time to get back to normal!

even if NY peaks immediately & numbers around the country continue to go down (which they won't, not anytime soon anyway), they will still have to continue the shelter policies so that the numbers don't increase again! When we do begin to get back to normal, I think it will happen gradually, they won't all of a sudden say, 'ok everyone can go outside & hug your families'!

[Beartracks]

59. This. And that would make the worst of it elsewhere even worse than it's already going to be. n/t

[grantcart]

17. U of W model today is projecting national peak on April 16 @ 3600 daily deaths

Total deaths @ 86k

On phone so can't link.

[Yonnie3]

22. I put a link in my post ...

[AlexSFCA]

43. 86k is below 100-200k trump will say he did excellent job

“well below CDC projections”

[cilla4progress]

49. I know,

right?

[SWBTATTReg]

56. And there are some idiot states (pardon) that still haven't declared a stay at home policy. Perhaps

their major population centers did, but this is irresponsible, being that it delays the demise of the CV, so their 'peak' won't come until much later than NY and other states.

Those states that don't have stay at home policies will allow the CV to reappear again and again, and spread across the whole region/US. I think if this happens, states will start blocking highways and such, on the borders w/ such irresponsible GOP states, and refuse to let anyone through. I would, if lives depend on it.

Also, folks will see that the CV caseload is going down, start getting lazy or complacent and before you know it, BAM. I bet that this is happened already, in those states w/ no stay at home orders (or even if they have a stay at home order), these orders are not being followed in some areas.

[Beartracks]

60. The price of inaction is a higher, later peak. Lots more dead.

But then I guess Republican governors and legislators are okay with that. Because...because, why, really??

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[SWBTATTReg]

61. And the outbreak(s) will last longer too. The peak would not just touch the high, and then...

start going down, it'll stay high for probably two weeks (the gestation period of the CV), stay high for a bit, and then, just perhaps start trailing downwards. In the meantime, hospital resources will be stretched to the breaking point.

[Beartracks]

63. Yep. Flattening the curve just means the increase is slowing down - but it's still increasing. n/t

[NCDem47]

6. Soemthing is up.

If Trump has gone to saying "there will be a lot of dealth," then you know the REAL data they are viewing is cataclysmic.

Or, as someone just said, he's laying the ground work for the absolute worst with the hope that deaths will come under projections.

What an ass. Never, just never, a straight answer from him. Always a calculation with his instinct which is the opposite of what any rational persone would make.

[Peacetrain]

10. Something is so amiss..,

I can feel it in my bones

[uponit7771]

15. Yep

[Newest Reality]

30. Apropos!

[LudwigPastorius]

58. ...

[cwydro]

7. Rec.

I think the same.

[Peacetrain]

11. I figured I was not the only one going "Wait a minute"!

[RhodeIslandOne]

8. If "only" 100,000 die prior to November, he'll declare his response was brilliant

And there are idiots who'll fall for it.

[Peacetrain]

12. Oh yeah, I saw that spin last week was it?

He is such a carnival barker..

[ProfessorGAC]

70. Given Who Is Touting That #

I'm saying it won't hit 6 digits, at least in this wave. The "100-240k but we're doing great or it would be 2 million" is a clue that they are still capable of overstating the projection so they look good when it stays in 5 digits.
I put no amount of lying past them.

[spanone]

16. He's a con man. There is ALWAYS an angle.

[TheBlackAdder]

25. Con men work if there are whose who want to be conned.

[sarcasmo]

19. Novartis makes Hydroxychloroquine, Trump and Rudy have been pushing

Hydroxychloroquine for about three weeks now. Sounds like Fox has falling line with the Hydroxychloroquine grift.



Novartis stock today.


Market Summary > Novartis AG
NYSE: NVS
84.89 USD +1.27 (1.52%)

[neohippie]

35. 'Novartis, is the company that paid 1.2 million to Cohen for access to Trump

As it turns out the maker of the drug Trump is touting with no real evidence it's effective, is Novartis, who coincidentally is the same company that paid Mike Cohen over a million dollars for access to Trump

[BlancheSplanchnik]

46. 😳

[stillcool]

57. but never got access...

through Michael Cohen. Now, all of a sudden, Rudy pops up out of nowhere, pushing drugs. Someone found and in.

[BrightKnight]

72. Louisiana is working with Novartis and pushing Hydroxychloroquine hard.

The press briefing sounded like an infomercial for sugar pills.

They were talking about how it would enable them to take patients off the ventilators they are about to run out of. The have to know it’s BS. It was creepy the way the were all singing off the same page and talking about Novartis specifically.

[Yonnie3]

21. They have been citing the IHME projections [Link in post]

They show a US peak of deaths on April 16 of 1,282 to 7,803 with 3,130 deaths most probable. That's on one day! NYC and other current hot spots swamp the other peaks expected later elsewhere.

There will be a lot more deaths in the following weeks, a peak in the hot spots doesn't mean it is over.

These projections assume that social distancing and other mitigations remain in effect. If mitigations are relaxed then these projections are not valid.

Graphs are at:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

You can look at the US as a whole or individual states.

[bullwinkle428]

24. Thank you! This is the site that people need to look at regularly. This is the Gates-funded

team, and is staffed by a ton of people that clearly know their stuff.

[grantcart]

26. Great link

[2naSalit]

42. I find that the data has a bug

if they are going on residential population estimates, they will be missing roughly 50% of in state persons during this time as most vacation rentals and trophy (second/vacation) home properties are occupied NOW which is close to or exceeding doubling our residential population. And that's not counting all the RVers and preppers who showed up in the last couple weeks. So our resources will be overrun when the peak hits the Rocky Mountain states.

[CrispyQ]

23. Cult 45 is just like the Con--they will double down before they admit they were wrong.

Admitting they were wrong would mean that the libs owned them. Like we give a fuck, but they think it's important to us, because it's important to them. His approval might go down into the 30s but I'll bet it stays above 35% no matter the death toll.

[GeorgeGist]

28. According to EXPERTS ...

the peak won't come 'til mid to late next week.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

[tinymontgomery]

47. I'm lost on how this works

I'm lost on how this works. I keep hearing 100,000 will die but the graph shows just above
81,000, if I'm reading it right. What am I missing on how the stats are working or just reading the
graphs wrong? No I'm not a troll, just trying to figure out what I'm missing.

[mercuryblues]

29. Shell game is perfect for what trump is selling

My red state has even reached their estimated peak date yet, but faux is pushing this week is gonna be the worst?

I think faux is looking to move on to their next story.

[Skidmore]

31. The magic big beautiful pill is

Trump's new big beautiful wall. He's playing craps, hoping noone dies from the pill or the illness.

[ashredux]

32. Your last line...FOLLOW THE MONEY!

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

33. I think I put it together...

I just saw a tweet that trump sent out this am. “Light at the end of the tunnel”...then the article mentioned about this being the hardest week...boom!...he thinks it’s going to be over after this week or at least on the way down. Imbecile.

[Chakaconcarne]

36. So have they found a way to skew the numbers so this week is the Peak?

[Takket]

37. Why the long faces? Isn't this an impeachment hoax?

It’s just the flu...

[gibraltar72]

38. If he gets a couple days of lower new cases or deaths.

He's gonna declare it over and order us back to work.

[2naSalit]

40. And very few will heed his directive.

[duforsure]

39. trumps trying to project these lies the worst is almost over

After weeks ago claimed it was a hoax, and the Democrats were behind it and fake Ukraine and russian scandals . Now he'a claiming unproven and untested drugs might work, and now trying to con people into believing 100,000 death's is good and shows he's doing a good job, when it was his decision to ignore all the many warning he had , and did nothing, and still is doing nothing to help, wants you to believe anything he claims is true. He wants to force people back to work before its safe. He'll weapon states funding if those blue Gov's don't force them back to work.

[Cozmo]

41. Quit listening to this asshole and his minions When have they ever been right or spoken truth?

He's got to be taken out of the equation before death from suicide starts to rise significantly.

[IronLionZion]

48. A lot of states are seeing increases due to late or no action from their governors

Blue states are pretty solid on early decisive action to slow the spread so we may see it turn the corner in some hard hit cities.

But red states are getting it hard as many of their people are still spreading it due to irresponsible late action from their governors and blatant misinformation. It's absolutely dangerous what many republican politicians are telling their constituents.

[uponit7771]

68. +1

[Martin Eden]

50. Those Fox folks sitting on a couch ...

Are they same ones who downplayed the threat for months, calling it a Democratic hoax?

[subana]

52. when I heard them say that,

I thought, so do you think all of the weeks until now have been easy? I can't imagine what they think would happen this week that would make the situation so much worse! A nuclear bomb could certainly make it worse but it has not been easy until now. Constantly seeing the rising numbers of patients & deaths every day is pretty bad if you ask me.

Plus it's really difficult to accept the word of anyone in this administration considering all of their massive lies until now! Why should I be alarmed because they say this week will be so much worse?

[calimary]

53. I started sending tweets about the suspicions re: trump's aggressive hawking that drug.

He's GOT TO be in line for profiting from it in some way. Owns stock in the company that makes hydroxychloroquine, or maybe owns the company outright. GOTTA BE.

This is an individual who NEVER does anything that doesn't somehow benefit him and his pocket. NEVER. We know this. We've seen it with our own eyes and heard it with our own ears, for years. We have observed this literally for decades, when he was a mere "harmless" buffoon civilian and all the way to now, when he's an illegitimate squatter in OUR White House. He's not an altruist. He's not a charitable type, giving just for the joy of giving and helping. He doesn't have a selfless bone in his body. Not ONE. He ALWAYS has an ulterior motive, and a completely selfish motive at that. He's ALWAYS AND EVER only in it for himself.

I tweeted a whole bunch of news people, from Rachel Maddow and the Maddowblog people to David Fahrenthold at the Washington Post.

I can't help it. I'm deeply suspicious of this. The red lights are going off in the back of my head again. That fucker trump is trying to make money off this worldwide catastrophe.

Anybody else wanna help?

[captain queeg]

54. Yeah something smells fishy

I don’t buy that things will peak this week. I have no doubt thousands will die but that will continue for awhile. The places that have really clamped down might see a peak but there are many places that just started or still haven’t started.

[marble falls]

62. Mike Cohen took $1.2 mil from one manufacturer to get an audience with Connie Two Scoops.

[CaptainTruth]

64. Sitting on a conch seems like it would be very uncomfortable.

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[eppur_se_muova]

65. Like this ? nt