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Ambulance and emergency sirens in New York City are wailing ceaselessly this month, as the number of reported deaths from Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, in the state surpassed 4,100 as of April 6. (Public health experts say that these tallies are severely undercounting the total.)
As one of the hardest-hit locations in the US so far, the city is scrambling to find enough ventilators equipment that gets oxygen into the lungs of severe Covid-19 patients having trouble breathing on their own for the expected surge in patients. Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at a press conference April 4 that the state had ordered 17,000 ventilators from the federal government, but that order never came through.
Although New York City may be the first city in the country to run out of ventilators, other cities are expected to follow. New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy recently tweeted, Ventilators are our #1 need right now. I wont stop fighting to get us the equipment we need to save every life we can. Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards predicted that his state would run out of ventilators by April 6.
But to save a Covid-19 patients life with a ventilator, you also need an ample supply of medications, both to be able to use the machine and to prevent agonizing pain. Experts say theres a worrisome shortage of those, too one thats only expected to grow worse.
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https://www.vox.com/2020/4/6/21209589/coronavirus-medicine-ventilators-drug-shortage-sedatives-covid-19
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)Maybe pass a law that any public hospitals and university hospitals can only buy US made stuff. It might not be much in the big picture, but it would all manufacturers to have some production in the US.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)It varies apparently from relief (compared to not being able to breathe) to horrific.
https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-feel-like-for-a-patient-to-be-on-a-ventilator-Is-it-worth-the-suffering
progree
(10,901 posts)... This week, Vizient released data showing dramatic spikes in demand for sedatives, pain medications, paralytics, and other drugs that are crucial for patients who are on ventilators. According to Vizient's study, the rate at which those orders are filled is lagging far behind the demand.
One complicating factor: "Injectable drugs take a long time to make," Kistner says. "For instance, there's a 21-day sterility period needed for all injectable drugs. So it's not something simple that you can do overnight."
... a patient in acute respiratory distress, being put on a ventilator can be life-saving. It's also really unpleasant. ... When patients are intubated, they're given strong sedatives and pain medicine such as propofol and fentanyl, and sometimes paralytic drugs, as well.
Without those medications, Morse says, "Most people will reach for the [breathing] tube and try to grab it and pull it out. They may fight against having it in their mouth. And if they're working against a breathing machine it can actually damage their lungs."
Now, with a surge of COVID-19 patients on ventilators, hospitals are burning through their supplies of those essential drugs.
... "The nightmare really is that I won't have enough ventilators to treat them all at the same time," Akers says. "And even if I get them on a ventilator, I won't be adequately able to sedate them to know that they're safe. And my real worry is that a lot of people will die as a result of that."
More: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/04/npr-u-s-may-get-more-ventilators-but-run-out-of-medicine-for-covid-19-patients
So anyway, for those fuckwad governors who think the Dow and their beach businesses are more important than human lives, well, there's this to also think about.
And regular people too ... do you really want to risk this hell on earth experience? Like being on a ventilator for 2 weeks is what's needed for many Cov-19 patients, where obviously every second is excruciating.
Here is an article from March 21 -- this is how it is like even with all the drugs available, and all the necessary equipment and personnel:
Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and cant breathe at all.
Its called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And its notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream. Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight
... The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, weve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When youre in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you dont know when someone is trying to help you, so youll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.
... Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some peoples muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.
More: https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients
Yes, they are struggling to breathe even on ventilators at maximum settings (which at high settings are very damaging to the lungs).
And it happens so quickly like overnight from having mild breathing difficulty to lungs filled with fluid and drowning.
captain queeg
(10,168 posts)What a horrid experience to not be able to breath. Hes had a couple close calls with equipment Failure Id hate to go out that way.
Sunriser13
(612 posts)Some of those caches are huge.
I wonder if batches could be purity tested, especially since some of them came from known sources...
Just an overactive imagination, I reckon.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I bet China didn't.