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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 01:33 PM Apr 2020

Officials look to nursing homes for ventilators

As the number of COVID-19 patients climbs and health officials hunt for ventilators to treat them, nursing homes across the United States have a cache ― about 8,200 of the lifesaving machines, according to data from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. Most of the machines are in use, often by people who’ve suffered a brain injury or stroke. Some of those residents are in a vegetative state and have remained on a ventilator for years.

Of course, commandeering those units would set up a monumental ethical dilemma: Do you remove life support for a long-term nursing care patient in order to give a COVID-19 patient a better chance of survival?

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has announced an executive order that ventilators not in use by hospitals be redeployed to ICUs. And he’s calling in the New York National Guard to facilitate the order. “We know where every ventilator is,” Cuomo said Sunday. Nursing home ventilators are not included in his order, but they are included in the state’s tally of the machines.

Dr. Michael Kalafer, a pulmonologist and the medical director at two San Diego subacute units, said he can’t imagine taking one of his patients off a ventilator because it’s needed for someone else. “I severely doubt we’ll take [a hypothetical] Mrs. Smith off a ventilator because she’s 80 and has been on it for a few years and has not gotten better,” Kalafer said.

But these are precisely the decisions bioethicists are being asked to weigh in on as the country confronts the crush of COVID-19 patients overwhelming the health care system.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/nursing-home-ventilators-hospitals-amid-coronavirus-crisis/story?id=70018414&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed

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Officials look to nursing homes for ventilators (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2020 OP
Kick dalton99a Apr 2020 #1
Can anyone say Terri Schiavo exboyfil Apr 2020 #2
On strictly a personal note LakeArenal Apr 2020 #3
Just saw snowybirdie Apr 2020 #4

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Can anyone say Terri Schiavo
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 01:39 PM
Apr 2020

I wonder how the red states are going to react if a rich white person needs one of those ventilators.

LakeArenal

(28,809 posts)
3. On strictly a personal note
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 01:40 PM
Apr 2020

If I’m paying out $3-6000 a month for senior care and they take my loved on off required services that becomes a huge problem. Many of us struggle to get our seniors the best possible care. It’s a sacrifice I don’t want in vain.

snowybirdie

(5,221 posts)
4. Just saw
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 02:26 PM
Apr 2020

A FB posting from a rw relative. He's a Nurse and instructor. He feels since anyone on a ventilator will likely die,and the Governors demanding that equipment are way off base. Anyone too old and sick doesnt need them! They'll die anyway. Of course he's pro life! I went off on this and was shaking from anger while responding. Grrrrr, these folks will say anything to support that idiot!

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