Hoping to defeat Trump this November may be a fools errand.

[shockey80]

Trump is not just going to cheat this election, he is going to destroy the election process. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am. Trump is acting more and more like a dictator everyday. He openly destroys any threat, any person who gets in his way. He will do the same this November.

[SouthernCal_Dem]

1. So then what's your plan? nt

[shockey80]

5. The only plan right now is to vote Trump out. That may be impossible.

[brush]

6. Stop this defeatist crap already. We're not beaten yet. The country is seeing trump's...

incompetence daily on the pressers he thinks are helping him.

These kind of threads are not helpful and will just repress our votes.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

8. +1

[Firestorm49]

17. We may not be beaten, but we're not fighting back nearly enough!

Where’s the press coverage from our leadership on both state and local levels? Where’s the outrage that the American people need to see every day, just like the chump does to rally his base. Why is Pelosi, Schumer et al getting a sound bite when most of the new is from Republicans. We need lengthy, fact based press badly. The free press is as much to blame Trump.

We need to fight back, and fight back hard, but I’m sure not seeing it. I’m not seeing anybody who gave the one finger salute to legally issued subpoenas being held accountable. I’m not seeing the country outraged by losing site of our government on a daily basis - flaunting accountability of $500B dollars of aid money as but one measly example.

If we’re going to win this fall, the time to get aggressive and fight like our country depends on it was the day after the fool was elected, not six weeks before the upcoming election. What the hell is Perez doing through all of this? I don’t give a dam about waiting until after the primary. We all know, as I have from the start, that Biden would be the nominee.

There’s a fine line between being a defeatist and looking at the world through open eyes. Action speaks louder than words. Defeatist, no. Realist with hope, yes.

[berksdem]

28. +1!

[shockey80]

38. That you for understanding my post.

People saying I am giving up is complete bullshit. People saying I am a defeatist is complete bullshit. Some people just like to stick their head in the sand. They don't want to hear the truth. Trump will try to destroy our election process. He pretty much said it yesterday.

I never said we are beaten, i never said we should give up. I was just being very blunt and honest. Waiting till November to get rid of Trump is insane in my opinion. There should be a nation wide effort right now, demanding Trump resigns. It's not happening.

[brush]

45. Look at it this way. The virus is taking up all the press coverage now and has been since the last..

big primary day, but what do think would happen with such an unprecedented catastrophe? The good thing about it though is it's making trump's incompetence the political highlight of the whole election season. The nation sees it and we're actually benefiting from people shut in their homes and not making any money. Nobody's working, their 401ks are in the toilet and people are sick and dying all around.

You're crazy if you think that's helping trump. There's that old adage: When someone is beating themselves, stand back and let them. We can really do much else right now with the coverage of the virus taking up all oxygen in the room.

And when was the last time an incombent got re-elected during a huge economic downturn, not to mention a huge death toll from a badly bungled pandemic responce?

The answer is NEVER.

[cwydro]

19. Thank you.

Well said.

[Butterflylady]

26. Well maybe we should just dig a hole and climb in it

Or just bury our head i n the sand and forget about voting. After all if you say we're going to lose than I guess it's all over.

Well, you can do what you want,but for me it's only the beginning. I refuse to become a debbie downer an I would bet a lot of us here won't either.

GO JOE!!!!!!!!!!

[ck4829]

36. Then you need a backup plan

[exboyfil]

10. I think we are in a double bind

I don't think we have a way out. I can't convince otherwise intelligent people at my workplace of the unfitness of Trump (these are folks who have Masters degrees in Engineering).

I guess throw out some math.

$6T to address this virus. That is 75 years of federal spending on TANF and Food Stamps. That is twice the amount that is in the Social Security Trust Fund. Six times what was collected in Social Security payments last year. Nearly $20K for every many, woman, and child in the US. Three times the total deficit for Obama's second term.

That and Trump, who has settled multiple multi-million dollar fraud cases, is asking that the only watchdogs over spending that money are his own hand chosen appointees.

[chicoescuela]

2. Agree 100%

Things do feel a little hopeless at times.

[SlogginThroughIt]

3. Need to figure out his plans

Need to figure out his plans and shut them down now!

[hlthe2b]

4. Sometimes deepest fears are best left unexpressed. I prefer to motivate, not depress

Just saying. Some folks are just barely hanging on with COVID-19 and economic fears. Why add to that anxiety?

Maybe next time turn your concerns into a motivating message...?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

9. +1

[shockey80]

12. Isn't that what the German people did under Hitler?

Expressing our deepest fears is a way to motivate, to wake people up. It cuts both ways. Telling people we will beat the hell out of Trump this November is a good thing, but warning people he will try to destroy the election process is also necessary, a good thing.

[hlthe2b]

24. You aren't merely expressing deepest fears.. You are DEMORALIZING and THAT

is what the Germans did. You aren't issuing a warning. You claim to know it is a "DONE DEAL."
That it is " HOPELESS."

If you don't know the difference, you need to wise up. Demoralizing, demotivating, depressing others is EXACTLY what TRUMP wants you to do. Stop doing his bidding.

[saidsimplesimon]

32. Thank you hlthe2b

[shockey80]

39. I did not say done deal, I did not say hopeless.

I said Trump is going to destroy the election process. I said I hope I am wrong. If it's a fair election Trump will get his ass kicked, he knows that.

[thucythucy]

64. You said hoping to defeat Trump in November

"may be a fool's errand."

My understanding--and I don't think I'm unique in this--is that calling something "a fool's errand" means there is no hope for success, period.

If that's not what you meant to say you should edit your OP to reflect this.

I'm also depressed about our politics, but saying or even implying that it's hopeless does us no good.

[TwilightZone]

68. Your interpretation is the correct one.

Based on the responses, it's also one most share. A fool's errand, by definition, is pointless.

[gabeana]

72. Sounds like Troll behavior

Maybe this will depress you

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/491822-biden-leads-trump-by-8-points-in-quinnipiac-poll

[jrthin]

21. +1

[greenjar_01]

7. Helpful post

Great fucking job, buddy.

[shockey80]

40. Your welcome.

[brush]

47. FYI: That's sarcasm.

[A HERETIC I AM]

73. *You're*

[sarisataka]

11. Well fuck it then

I won't bother wasting my time. It gives me an extra day to do some work around the house...











With motivation like this nobody should be surprised if voter turnout is low. They don't need to suppress vote when we do it for them.

[shockey80]

14. Don't worry, we will easily defeat Trump this November.

Does that make you feel better?

[sarisataka]

20. Nope, saying victory is a done deal

Is just as bad IMO. We did that in 2016.

What I want is to acknowledge that for all of his flaws he is an extremely tough opponent. Also he is backed by an organization willing to use every trick, loophole and deceitful act upto what the law allows, several steps farther if they believe they won't get caught.


It is going to take every Democrat to turn out to vote in November to give us a chance. It will require us to motivate the apathetic and undecided voters to support our candidates to push us past time line to victory.

Telling them the election is already decided, whether for or against, reinforces their perceptions that voting does not matter. If they believe that, they stay home and we lose.

[cwydro]

22. No kidding. +1000

If people want to surrender, let them keep it to themselves.

[awesomerwb1]

13. Waaah waaaah waaaah

Have a little extra time? Write postcards. Be proactive.

[PubliusEnigma]

15. What a ray of sunshine!

Somebody needs a hug.

[kentuck]

16. It's not just a "Democrat" problem.

That is what America needs to understand.

[Hortensis]

18. Elections are never fools' errands. And if this is what

you believe, what the hell are you doing here tippy-tapping on a fool's keyboard?

Shouldn't you be busy establishing a conforming conservative identity for survival in this new world to come? Or planning to flee the country? Because if the Republicans are able to do that, the days of having to confine the worst of their vicious persecution to brown-skinned immigrant children instead of going after all who oppose them in this country will be over.

They're mean, Shockey, really, really mean people. You should be very scared.

[shockey80]

23. Trump is going to destroy the election process.

Be afraid, be very afraid, BOO! Just kidding, this November there will be sunshine and rainbows and we will all live happily ever after.

[kysrsoze]

27. What kind of self-defeating nonsense is this? Stop crying about it and GOTV.

If you want to be all defeatist and pessimistic, you should keep it to yourself instead of dragging others down with your negative opinions.

People had the same "sky is falling" attitude in 2018, and they were WRONG.

[stonecutter357]

29. Post removed !

[LakeArenal]

30. Joe is going to win

Time to get your confidence boots pulled up and you fear Panties unbundled

We’ve had just enough of the doom

As Hawkeye says..”stay alive no matter what occurs”. We will vote him out.

[Jake Stern]

31. Here we go again. . . . . .

This conspiracy theorizing is not only fucking stupid, it runs the very real risk of becoming self-fulfilling prophecy: people who think Trump will just stop the election will say "why bother?" and stay home letting the Trumpers to give their messiah a second term.

Many constitutional experts have said Trump can't stop the November election

Hillary Clinton has said there's no way Trump can stop the election.

I believe what these folks have to say and will be getting my ass out in November to vote come hell, high water or the nastiest virus known to man.

[Voltaire2]

33. With all due respect: fuck that noise.

[HarlanPepper]

34. So throw your hands up and quit then.

The rest of us will work hard to beat him. Honestly, some time away from the computer might be a good idea given the content of some of these OPs. Give it some thought.

[Tipperary]

35. Unrec.

Your concern is noted.

[ck4829]

37. I'm not content with "just vote" either, but I posted ideas for you in a similar thread

The Trump administration may not necessarily be a dictatorship (yet)... but it, like any other regime, has the same sources of power and vulnerabilities as one.

https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf

I suggest reading this and developing ideas based on it.

[Codeine]

41. Ah, you again.

Defeatist nonsense.

[Tipperary]

46. Seems to be a real pattern.

[uponit7771]

42. K&R, Wisconsin was a trial run, CALL FOR VOTE BY MAIL !!!!

[MenloParque]

43. On behalf of those who are fighting on the front lines

to make a much needed change in this country, thank you for your disservice. Now sit the fuck down and let us pound the streets and phones with our heads held high while you cower in the fetal position. We got this!!

[shockey80]

48. 21 posts and you are talking bullshit? How dare you call me coward.

We got this, who the fuck is we? Man, there are a lot of fucking idiots in this world.

[MenloParque]

50. Sorry

About my low post count as I’m new on this forum, but not in helping dems get elected in my state. The We is Me and countless others Protesting, phones, polls, working for the Democratic Party for over 20 years. Yes, people see defeatist, cowardly posts and form opinions about if/how their votes can do any good in this climate. One poster may be old lumber on a website, but that still don’t mean they have any more added value than a newbie.

[TwilightZone]

54. New poster or not, their approach is a hell of a lot better than yours.

Self-defeating nonsense has no place in this race.

[obamanut2012]

60. At least the noob is being pragmatic and not defeatist

[panader0]

44. The real fools errand is a post like this.

[shockey80]

49. Deep.

[panader0]

51. Too deep for you pal?

We need to GOTV, not tell people that their vote doesn't matter.
The defeatist attitude is subversive.
I usually like your posts shockey, but not this one.

[shockey80]

55. None of us are perfect , what can I say. I stick behind my post.

You see it as a defeatist attitude, I do not. I have never given up and I never will give up. People see things, posts, the way the want to see them. There is nothing I can do about that.

[USALiberal]

69. Lol, ok! Nt

[TwilightZone]

70. You stick behind saying that trying to defeat Trump may be pointless?

You understand that's what "fool's errand" means, correct?

"There is nothing I can do about that."

Sure, there is. You can choose to use terms that better reflect your intent. Saying that trying to defeat Trump is pointless is going to get a negative response, as it should. Doubling down on it doesn't help.

[shockey80]

71. Do you understand what the word "may" means.

I said it MAY be a fools errand. I did not sat it is a fools errand. Like I said' people see what they want to see. IF Trump destroys the election system before the election, voting him out might be a problem, don't you think.

Nobody here has been calling for a nation wide movement, calling for Trumps resignation more than I have. We are waiting for the election and I believe it is dangerous to do that. There should be a nation wide movement to remove him now.

Hopefully Trump will not be able to destroy the election process, He will lose a fair election. I know he will at least try to destroy the election process.

[njhoneybadger]

52. I agree with shockey, we need to sound the alarm and act on the fear of this happening

[struggle4progress]

53. It's not over until the fat lady counts her chickens

[shockey80]

56. It's not over till it's over, that's true.

[struggle4progress]

57. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields

and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

[struggle4progress]

58. Song of the leaders

[obamanut2012]

59. yawn

[struggle4progress]

61. Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round

[struggle4progress]

62. Song of the French partisan

[struggle4progress]

63. Get up! Stand up!

[kentuck]

65. Even if Democrats win, what type of mess have they inherited?

There is no victory for anyone in November.

[struggle4progress]

67. I never promised you a rose garden

[struggle4progress]

66. How can I keep from singing?