CNN story on undercounted deaths in Spain. Okay, fine...

[blitzen]

Good job CNN, at least you're reporting some international news instead of incessantly focusing on Trump's clown show. But, well, I've seen this story about six times since yesterday. No problem, 24 hours news--of course it will be repeated several times.

BUT WHY IN THE HELL ARE YOU NOT YET REPORTING ON THE UNDERCOUNTED DEATHS IN THE U.S.? THIS IS NOT SPECULATION, IT IS FACT. NYC IS GOING TO COUNT THEM. IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW UP THE SPAIN UNDERCOUNT STORY WITH STORIES ON THE U.S. UNDERCOUNT, THEN YOU ARE FUNCTIONING AS A PROPAGANDA VEHICLE FOR THE VILE CREATURES WHO HAVE STOLEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S POWER OF SELF-GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH A GOOD PORTION OF THEIR MONEY.

[Sherman A1]

1. I would email CNN

And ask them that very question.

[blitzen]

3. Thanks, I will. n/t

[hlthe2b]

2. And I've yet to hear single report, nor read single news piece on what the hell is going on w Russis

If anyone believes that Russia has only 11,917 cases and 97 deaths, please do contact me for a super business opportunity...

One can only imagine what Putin is telling Trump.

[gab13by13]

4. Putin is telling Trump,

that he is cutting back oil production to help Trump win the election. No reporting yet what trump is giving to Russia.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. And, He'll Believe Him

But, nobody is really cutting production because of prices.
They're running out of storage.
Demand is down 30 million barrels per day. We've been going this, here in the US, for a month. Some countries longer.
There's a billion barrels of oil in storage, nobody needs.
This simple fact would escape DOLTUS.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Does the oil drop really matter when none of us can go anywhere?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

5. They can't as responsible journalists report something they can't prove.

This is a systemic problem across the globe. There is no common authority for data collection and there are no internationally accepted standards for reporting infections, deaths and recoveries. Every damn nation wants to be an island.

The disparity in reporting within the United States alone is inexcusable and clearly rests on tRump's administration for not establishing standards of reporting long ago.

In order to report deaths, you have to clearly establish a cause and that's where the big void occurs.....

Let's remember too, that all our MSM have strong right-wing connections and control at the top, so none of them want to rock the corporate boat.

[blitzen]

6. And so CNN journalists "proved" the undercount in Spain?

I don't think so. Yet they reported it. The undercount in NYC has been "proven" by NYC officials. I do agree with your comments.

[Roy Rolling]

7. An Important Distinction

We all suspect the U.S.death toll is undercounted.

They suspected the death toll was undercounted in Spain, there was an issue CNN then reported about.

When similar, credible reports of an undercount in the U.S. become available, CNN will cover it.

They cannot speculate. If they have opinion people, they can say whatever they want.

But with no Fairness Doctrine there is no appreciable difference by the general public. That is the problem with all networks.

[blitzen]

8. The credible reports already exist. It was widely reported yesterday that NYC will start counting...

those whose died at home but were not tested. The huge surge from an average of 20 per day pre-coronavirus to 200 per day is being regarded by NYC officials and Gov. Cuomo as an obvious indication of COVID-19 deaths. Sure, each case needs to be examined. But they will not test for coronavirus in the morgue.

Widely reported by print journalists. Yet CNN reports on Spain undercounts.

This is not opinion. There is already highly credible evidence in the U.S.

[Politicub]

10. I'm watching CNN now and it was mentioned

I’m sure CNN will report numbers that come from the governor or other reputable source.

I think your all-caps rant should be sent to CNN directly; I doubt they read DU.

[blitzen]

12. You're right, I was looking at the TV when ranting. I'll send it to them. n/t

[mainer]

11. Texas "pneumonia" deaths soaring -- but not called Covid

Can anyone in the Texas Gov explain how in the entire year of 2016, #Texas reported Pneumonia deaths of 1,437 ( link https://dshs.texas.gov/thcic/publications/hospitals/IQIReport/2016/20-Pneumonia-Mortality-Rate.pdf…

and Texas is reporting almost double that (2,481 ) pneumonia deaths in just February and March 2020? ( link: https://cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm…)
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Link to tweet

[blitzen]

13. That's what Russia is doing too--"pneumonia" deaths otherwise unspecified. n/t

[Igel]

15. You don't understand the data.

Look at the 2016 dat and read what the data actually are.

Texas Health Care Information Collection
Pneumonia Mortality Rate (Observed), 2016
Diagnosis Present on Admission (POA) included in calculations, POA exempt hospitals excluded

It's to look at the expense and quality of health care, *not* an official count of deaths for calculating mortalities.

Not even all hospitals are included: "POA exempt hospitals excluded".

Nursing homes and hospices aren't included. "Diagnosis present on admission". Admission to what? Hospitals.

Those who die at home aren't included. "Admission." No hospital.

And those who contract pneumonia *in* the hospital aren't cases where one can say "diagnosis present on admission".

The data are labeled--and labeled surprisingly clearly for a Texas government document.