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pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 01:20 AM Apr 2020

Tara Reade knows it's a felony to file a false police report,

Last edited Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:17 AM - Edit history (5)

so she files a claim about an assault, and the public report doesn't name the man. So the report could be about some other man.

When she tells reporters it was Biden who assaulted her she knows she's protected by free speech.

And because Biden is a public figure, the level of proof for him to accuse her of libel or slander is extremely high.

So now it's up to us to decide how gullible to be.

I didn't believe Crystal Mangum -- and I was right. And I don't believe Tara Reade.

Most women do NOT lie about sexual assaults. But there are the exceptions, and we have to use our heads and consider all the circumstances -- like this March 3 tweet of hers.





Here's the AP story:

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a



In two recent interviews with The Associated Press, Tara Reade alleged the assault occurred in the basement of a Capitol Hill office building in the spring of 1993. She filed a police report in Washington on Thursday saying she was the victim of a sexual assault by an unnamed person in 1993, a copy of which was obtained by the AP.

SNIP

In a statement provided by the campaign, Baker said that in the nearly two decades she worked for Biden, “I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct, period — not from Ms. Reade, not from anyone.”

The AP spoke to five current or former Biden staffers on Sunday, all of whom worked for him at the time of the alleged incident. None recalled such an incident or a report, and neither Toner nor Kaufman could recall Reade. Both said what she had described was out of character for Biden.

“She did not come to me. I would have remembered her if she had, and I don’t remember her at all,” Kaufman said.

Reade said she filed a written report with a Senate personnel office. But she didn’t receive a copy of it and has been unable to obtain one since because, she says, Biden’s Senate files are currently at the University of Delaware, which has not yet made them public.

SNIP

The AP spoke with Reade about those complaints in April 2019. During that interview, Reade alleged that Biden rubbed her shoulders and neck, played with her hair, and that she was asked by another aide in Biden’s Senate office to dress more conservatively and told “don’t be so sexy.” The AP declined to publish details of the interview at the time because reporters were unable to corroborate her allegations, and aspects of her story contradicted other reporting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

On Thursday, Ms. Reade filed a report with the Washington, D.C., police, saying she was the victim of a sexual assault in 1993; the public incident report, provided to The Times by Ms. Reade and the police, does not mention Mr. Biden by name, but she said the complaint was about him. Ms. Reade said she filed the report to give herself an additional degree of safety from potential threats. Filing a false police report may be punishable by a fine and imprisonment.
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Tara Reade knows it's a felony to file a false police report, (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2020 OP
K&R MustLoveBeagles Apr 2020 #1
Tara Reade "Yup. Timing... wait for it....tic toc" Cha Apr 2020 #2
There were issues with Reade's story Gothmog Apr 2020 #3
Retweeted.. TY! Cha Apr 2020 #7
K&R betsuni Apr 2020 #4
Obviously a hit job. Zero credibility. dalton99a Apr 2020 #5
About twenty more women will have to come forward to iemitsu Apr 2020 #6
Exactly what I was thinking. nt SunSeeker Apr 2020 #8
Well, they might get them if they offer enough $$ Warpy Apr 2020 #11
Good observations. I have no doubt you are right. iemitsu Apr 2020 #16
Why did she make the report to DC Metro, Historic NY Apr 2020 #9
This is how I'm going to handle this story. Dem2theMax Apr 2020 #10
I'd have been more inclined to believe it if it happened sometime between 2015-9 rpannier Apr 2020 #12
Right. Biden underwent heavy vetting. Obama's team wouldn't have missed something like this. n/t pnwmom Apr 2020 #13
That's a very good point--thanks! renate Apr 2020 #18
Excellent observations. There are also a lot of inconsistencies and changing stories that raise a still_one Apr 2020 #14
Right. The nomination won't go to Sanders under any circumstances. n/t pnwmom Apr 2020 #15
Sanders own people are involved in pushing this.... Historic NY Apr 2020 #17
yes. They are sadly mistaken if they believe this will somehow propel him to the nomination still_one Apr 2020 #20
That happened with Juanita Broderick as well NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #19
Are we maybe missing True Blue American Apr 2020 #21
with Franken NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #22
Not one True Blue American Apr 2020 #23
some of the women in Franken's case NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #24
??? True Blue American Apr 2020 #27
Just like how Juanita Broaddrick denied under oath ever being assaulted by Bill Clinton Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #25
Be assured that whoever is behind the Reade assault is well financed DFW Apr 2020 #26
Joan Walsh at the Nation-The Troublesome Tara Reade Story Gothmog Apr 2020 #28

Cha

(297,133 posts)
2. Tara Reade "Yup. Timing... wait for it....tic toc"
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 01:28 AM
Apr 2020

she's despicable.. other than the obvious reason.. what would be her excuse for not naming the object of her accusations?

Thank you for this, pnwmom.

Warpy

(111,242 posts)
11. Well, they might get them if they offer enough $$
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:40 AM
Apr 2020

Oh, I think Biden's got clay feet to rival any other politician but I don't see him as having to assault anyone. Usually powerful men are surrounded by females who want to audition for trophy wife, although I can't see the guy often touted as the poorest guy in Congress being much of a target.

I'm just sick of this hyperventilation over' "touching." If it rises to the level of a crime, fine, file charges the old fashioned way, provide the evidence, and prosecute. This, however, smells like they're trying to Franken him using her generic police report and hanging his face on it. "Somebody touched me somewhere" really shouldn't fly far and it's already being dissected and found to have a lot of discrepancies.

It makes me wonder what they'd have come up with if Pete Buttigieg had gotten the nomination.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
9. Why did she make the report to DC Metro,
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:09 AM
Apr 2020

they don't have jurisdiction in the Capitol or Congressional offices.

If shes a lawyer she should know that.

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
10. This is how I'm going to handle this story.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:23 AM
Apr 2020

I'm going to totally ignore it. It doesn't deserve my time.
This is the one and only time I will respond to this topic.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
12. I'd have been more inclined to believe it if it happened sometime between 2015-9
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:42 AM
Apr 2020

But I'm skeptical of the 90s because he was the VP candidate in 2008.
There is a lot of vetting that goes on to make sure there's nothing that could pop up in the midst of a campaign
Also, there was a lot of vetting (by the opposition) hoping to find something that they could use in the midst of a campaign
That's what makes me suspicious and doubtful
Axelrod, Carville and Rove all somehow missed that, or they covered it up?

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
13. Right. Biden underwent heavy vetting. Obama's team wouldn't have missed something like this. n/t
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:44 AM
Apr 2020

renate

(13,776 posts)
18. That's a very good point--thanks!
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:16 PM
Apr 2020

I also think the fact that nobody was named in the report is HUGELY significant.

This is so Rovian—accusing your opponent of having your own greatest weak spot. Although in all seriousness, rape isn’t Trump’s greatest weakness—his behavior with women was already well known in 2016.

still_one

(92,126 posts)
14. Excellent observations. There are also a lot of inconsistencies and changing stories that raise a
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:34 AM
Apr 2020

lot of questions

https://medium.com/eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

I suspect certain circles believe this will hurt Biden, and somehow move Sanders to be the nominee.

That won’t happen. 70% of the voters have made it clear they do not want Sanders as the nominee.

Even hypothetically if Biden dropped out, which won’t happen, Biden’s delegates through a brokered convention would not choose Sanders as the nominee, because 70% have made it clear they do not want him as the nominee



still_one

(92,126 posts)
20. yes. They are sadly mistaken if they believe this will somehow propel him to the nomination
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:56 PM
Apr 2020

That won’t happen

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
19. That happened with Juanita Broderick as well
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:22 PM
Apr 2020

she refused to say on the witness stand that it was Bill Clinton, though she keeps saying that in public and has for over 20 years.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
21. Are we maybe missing
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:47 AM
Apr 2020

The fact this sounds more like a Trump or Russian smear?

I do not think Bernie would be a part of this. Sounds too much like the Al Franken Republican smear from a woman promised a show on Clear Channel.

What ever happened to her? Dropped like a hot potato after her lie.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
23. Not one
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 06:43 AM
Apr 2020

Claimed anything but that he hugged them or made them uncomfortable and Lee whatever her name was had many revealing photos of her grinding on stage with Country singers, even Al. Comedy is a raunchy business!
She lied to get a show on a Republican site. I am a woman, smart enough to know some women will do anything if they think it will help them.

Many women really are abused and attacked. That is why women like this who change their stories, it grows bigger disgust me!

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
27. ???
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:54 AM
Apr 2020

So what? That makes them paragons of virtue? They have really harmed the true victims!

If you have read the posts right here on this board of women who have truly been attacked you would not be defending someone you never heard of until this week!

The woman has changed her story many times over the years, but she did not even name who supposedly did it in her suit!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
25. Just like how Juanita Broaddrick denied under oath ever being assaulted by Bill Clinton
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:39 AM
Apr 2020

But outside the bounds of perjury, she claims all sorts of things.

And then she goes and attacks women like Christine Blasey Ford who actually did testify under oath as to her claims.

DFW

(54,339 posts)
26. Be assured that whoever is behind the Reade assault is well financed
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:45 AM
Apr 2020

They will have expert legal help to keep all parties involved out of jail when they have milked this cow dry.

Gothmog

(145,124 posts)
28. Joan Walsh at the Nation-The Troublesome Tara Reade Story
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:12 PM
Apr 2020



There is no evidence former Vice President Joe Biden, now the assumptive Democratic presidential nominee, sexually assaulted aide Tara Reade in 1993. There is no evidence he did not. Reade claims he did — specifically, that he pushed her against a wall and digitally penetrated her against her will, when she worked in his US Senate office. Biden’s campaign firmly denies it.

The story originated on the left, just about three weeks ago, when diehard Bernie Sanders supporter Katie Halper hosted Reade on her podcast, and encouraged her to tell her story publicly for the first time in 27 years. The story took off from there, on the left and the right, with certain Sanders supporters and Donald Trump backers (whose own man is credibly accused of sexual assault or extreme harassment by more than a dozen women) accusing the mainstream media of pro-Biden bias for not investigating the charges against him.....

Where does this leave us? Reade’s shifting stories are a huge problem, as they would be for anyone claiming to be the victim of a crime. And as someone who has personally criticized Biden for his persistent invasion of women’s personal space — up to and including multiple accounts of touching and kissing — I find her allegation hard to believe. Is it possible? Sure. Is it probable? No.

And here’s why, in addition to Reade’s credibility issues: in his closely documented, almost 50-year career, there have been no other similar claims against Biden. The Times interviewed the other seven women who came out last year to accuse Biden of touching them against their will; none said his behavior crossed the line to sexual assault. After many dozen interviews, with Reade and her friends, along with lawyers and two dozen Biden staffers, the writers concluded: “The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.” Men who do what Reade says Biden did tend to do it more than once (see Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump). Also, once an allegation like Reade’s surfaces, others usually follow. They have not, at least so far.....

Reporters have done just that with Tara Reade. Her allegation against Biden doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny. And bullying by the left or right won’t change that.
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