Biden's Two Best Choices for VP

[brooklynite]

Washington Monthly

Biden cannot afford to screw this up. A lot of names are already being thrown around; many Biden supporters are pushing Kamala Harris for the role. But it’s become increasingly clear to me that Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar are his best possible choices.

An ideal running mate brings two things to the ticket. First, they give voters confidence that they are ready to step into the job and do it well, should a tragedy befall the president. If the coronavirus pandemic has revealed anything, it’s that having knowledgeable, experienced leaders can save lives. The Trump administration’s slow response to the pandemic, in which they failed to swiftly mobilize to make testing accessible, procure supplies, and encourage social distancing, is one of the reasons America has more cases than any three other countries combined despite having more than a month to prepare. The presidency is simply not a job for a relative newcomer who lacks executive experience, or someone who has not successfully managed crises before. Second, the right vice presidential candidate also helps the presidential nominee win a state—or collection of states—that the party might not otherwise. By that criteria, Whitmer and Klobuchar are the most likely candidate to help Biden defeat Trump.

Whitmer is a seasoned legislator with executive experience. She served in the state legislature for more a decade, including as Senate Majority Leader for four years before being elected governor in 2018. She has shown her mettle during the pandemic, quickly declaring a state of emergency in Michigan on March 10, closing schools, barring large gatherings, and expanding the state’s unemployment benefits. She then put a moratorium on evictions shortly after. She also called out Trump for forcing states to bid against each other for critical equipment. In other words, Whitmer uniquely suited to convince voters that the Trump administration failed when it mattered most.

Most importantly, though, Whitmer can help Biden win. In 2016, Trump narrowly won Michigan by less than one quarter of one percent. Whitmer’s presence on the ticket could help shift the state’s 16 electoral votes to Biden. In a close election, they could be the difference between victory and defeat.

Amy Klobuchar would bring similar strengths to Biden’s ticket. She has been in the Senate for more than a decade and consistently ranks as one of Congress’s most effective legislators. In an era of partisanship and gridlock, Klobuchar may be better equipped than anyone to help Biden push his agenda through Capitol Hill. Furthermore, Klobuchar could virtually guarantee Biden victory in Minnesota—a state Hillary Clinton narrowly won in 2016—which would allow him to devote more resources to other key states. And though Biden’s gain would be the Senate’s loss if he chooses Klobuchar, at least Democrats would not lose that seat to a Republican. Minnesota’s Democratic Governor Tim Walz would appoint her replacement. That gives Klobuchar an edge over Wisconsin’s Tammy Baldwin, whose seat would be filled by special election rather than gubernatorial appointment.

[SheltieLover]

1. K&R

[Cicada]

20. Polls show low enthusiasm among young and nonwhite dems

Which matters more, specific help in the swing states or enthusing young and nonwhite?

Val Deming,Black female former black police chief with hispanic first name, Florida. I wonder if there are skeletons in her closet. Otherwise she seems logical to me.

[SheltieLover]

68. Val might be good too!

I would love to see a woman of color as VP!

Does she have the experience to step in case of emergency, though? I am not sure, so this is not snarky, but former police chief is a long way from VP.

I love Stacey Abrams, too, but many have offered that she needs more experience.

You know who I would really love to see as VP, but she is obviously too old: Maxine Waters. Absolutely love her no bs style!

Ultimately, of course, it's Joe's choice, but it is fun to speculate & point out the stellar possibilities and fine quality of our dem leaders!

👍

[SMC22307]

127. SWING STATES! We don't win without PA, MI and WI!

'Young people and nonwhite dems' aren't reliable voters -- even Obama called them out during the 2010 midterms. However, Biden tossing out the idea of eliminating college debt SHOULD get them enthused. I do know that his proposal for Medicare at 60 will get people in their 50's running to the polls, especially late 50's.

[Cicada]

138. Florida has 29 electoral votes

PA has 20. Michigan 16 Wisconsin 10. Complicated.

[exboyfil]

153. Florida allows you to lose any two of firewall states

So long as everything else stays in place. I think losing PA and MI might lead to a tie if one of the single vote is lost in NE or MA.

[SMC22307]

174. I'm not counting on Floriduh. Too wacky.

But, yes, it is complicated.

[safeinOhio]

2. I am very impressed with Whitmer on a personal level.

I met her and spoke to her for less than 5 minutes. Met her again a few months later and she remembered my name. I have a hard time remembering my name.

We have the best selection for VP including those two.

[TheBlackAdder]

136. If Biden wants to fuck this up, then he can ignore to follow the political precident of Reagan-Bush.

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Back in 1980, the Reagan & Bush camps were bitter rivals, more so that the Sanders and Clinton camps of 2016. I mean they fucking hated each other so much that a schism emerged that threatened to destroy the majority of down-ballot elections. And this is even after the start of the Moral Majority and the established Phyllis Schlafly movements had coalesced a lot of religious groups. The GOP was in dire straights.

Instead of Reagan and Bush keeping the fight going, they joined forced and that led to a 12-year Republican presidency. They still fucking hated each other for many years.

A critical and perhaps a politically fatal error would be for Biden to pick someone with similar political views or a relatively unknown VP pick. And unknown regional VP would be a Major Fuck-UP! He needs to bring the entire party together and also attract a lot of Independents and left-leaning Republicans. If he does that, no amount of GOP or Russian fuckery will surmount that. If he chooses to play it safe, then he risks the whole enchilada.

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[LonePirate]

3. As soon as Klobuchar's name was mentioned, I stopped reading because the author knows nothing.

Klobuchar brings nothing to the ticket. Biden does not need a midwestern Senator as VP, especially a white moderate one whose seat we might lose in a replacement election. It’s like people just blurt our names they know without putting an ounce of thought into their selections.

[brooklynite]

4. This election will be won or lost in the midwest

[mahina]

93. Black people.

Let’s not forget.

Stacey Abrams very nearly won the race for Governor and if Kemp had not cheated eight ways plus one, she would have. That is the power of turning out people who usually don’t vote.

Black people gave the power and are not going to turn out in the numbers we need unless we haves black VP.

It has to be a woman and she has to be black, and able to do the job if she has to.

I think Stacey Abrams is the best pick.

[The Magistrate]

108. The Problem With That Analysis, Ma'am

Is that the margin of defeat for Ms. Abrams came from defection of black men who seem to have had trouble voting for a black woman. If black women and black men had both turned out the usual rates, and voted in the usual percentages, Ms. Abrams would be Governor of Georgia today, despite all the shenanigans and sharp-practice amounting fraud Kemp contrived.

[mahina]

110. Thank you sir

I’ll defer to your perspective because I don’t know about the gender difference. Aloha.

[brush]

128. That argument doesn't hold. Black men and women in the primaries came out...

for Biden. Why would they not come out for Joe and a black woman VP in such a critical election. Black men, like me, want trump out as much as the next person.

And present some gender figures about Abrams' race for governor, not just make statement about them. I dare say black men turned out a high percentage for her.

[The Magistrate]

142. Regarding Ms. Abrams' Race, Sir

There is high percentage and high percentage.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/georgia

Among back men, 88% voted for her, 11% voted for Kemp.

Among black women, 97% voted for her, 2% voted for Kemp.

Had black men voted in similar proportions as black women did, Ms. Abrams would be governor of Georgia.

A similar pattern shows up in the 2016 race, in which the Democratic candidate was a woman.

Among black men, 82% voted for Mrs. Clinton, while 13% voted for Trump.

Among black women, 94% voted for Mrs. Clinton, while 4% voted for Trump.


Figures for President Obama's campaign do not present a straight comparison, but in 2012, 87% of black men voted for President Obama, and 11% for Romney, while 96% of black women voted for President Obama, and 3% did for Romney.


The best that can be got from these figures is that black men are unlikely to be more than usually enthused by nomination of a black woman as Mr. Biden's running mate. A consistent one in eight proportion of black men do not vote for Democratic candidates at all. Black men do not turn out in as large a number as do black women, and the voting totals are generally reported by race without further division, which tends to conceal both peculiarities of how black men vote.

[brush]

144. Sorry, I usually agree with your posts but not this one. Black men will...

turn out to get trump out, just as we did for Biden in South Carolina and the other primaries. Nothing is more important than that.

And just look at the percentages you quoted—88%, 94%, 97%—no other segment of the electorate gets anywhere near those astounding figures so pls stop putting Clinton's or Abram's losses on black men when repugs cheated in both of those elections, and 53% of white women voted for trump and two thirds of white men did.

Puh-leeze!

How about saying if only 48% of white women instead of 53%, or only 60% of white men instead 66% white men had voted for trump Hillary would've won. Same in the Abrams election.

Black people save this party's bacon plenty, and in the face of all out vote suppression so that argument is so tired. Place the blame somewhere else, there are plenty of electorate segments to chose from.

[The Magistrate]

163. The Point In Question, Sir

Was whether Mr. Biden's selection of a black woman as his running mate would draw greater support from black voters than any other choice. The discussion was of the black vote, not the white vote, or the hispanic vote. It seems to me the figures given indicate Mr. Biden's selection of a black woman for Vice President would not have any effect on the gender gap within the black vote, and absent this, likely would have little effect by way of increasing black votes for our ticket.

In Ms. Abrams' race in Georgia, where blacks constitute roughly a third of the electorate, and so are the predominant bloc within the Democratic vote, the 'gender gap' in the black vote takes on a greater significance then it might have in other races or on the national scene. If there ever was a race that ought to have erased this, or narrowed it, it was the contest between Ms. Abrams and Kemp. That did not occur, and I stand by my view the persistence of this phenomenon was, in Georgia in 2018, the margin by which Ms. Abrams was defeated.

Pointing this out is not in any way excusing other voting cohorts, whether white or hispanic or any other thing. White men, particularly older, rural white men, are a write-off for our Party, and likely to remain so. The situation is a bit better in suburbs, and more so in cities, but even in these places, the attitude of white men towards our Party is far less favorable than it ought to be. As an older white man myself this distresses me, but I can see no cure for it.

White women, to put it bluntly, disgraced themselves in the 2016 Presidential election. There is simply no excuse for Trump, in a contest with Mrs. Clinton, receiving a majority of the votes cast by white women overall. There are signs this will not be repeated come November this year, and I expect professionals are turning their minds to how these signs can be made into certainties. Mr. Biden's pledge to select a woman as his running mate is certainly a nod towards this, and it is my understanding Rep. Clyburn has indicated a desire for that woman to be a black woman.

Mr. Biden is a pol of the old school, and I expect will do his best to satisfy someone he owes so much of his present position to. I personally have no strong preference, but suspect Sen. Harris is the person who could both satisfy Rep. Clyburn, and appeal strongly to the middle of the road suburban white women whose growing disgust with Trump seems the most promising feature of this election campaign. Her selection also would not affect the balance in the Senate, as she is sure to be replaced by another Democrat.

[brush]

170. In other words, black me would come out more if the VP was white?

Puh-leeze again. This is the most consequential election ever. Black men will turn out, as will black women. Let's who other demo segments can get within 15% of how we vote.

[The Magistrate]

171. It Is Hard For Me To See, Sir, How You Cipher That Out Of My Comments Above

If my understanding that Sen. Harris of California is a black woman is incorrect, do please enlighten me. I am aware her parentage is mixed, as was President Obama's.

I agree whites in particular ought to do better. I suspect, however, you would take some umbrage at any effort made directly to court whites in particular as a slight to the Party's more reliable constituencies. Selection of Sen. Klobuchar as Mr. Biden's running mate, for example, I expect would encounter some resistance. That selection, if it were made, would be squarely aimed at courting middle of the road white women, in an effort to secure a good majority of their votes for our Party.

That the overall proportion of white people in the electorate is so great at present means that a number of other electoral 'slices' contain a goodly portion of whites, and it seems that it is in these overlaps that the greatest chance of increasing our Party's overall share of the white vote can be found. Voters with some college education, working and career women, gay and lesbian voters and their allies, are examples of electoral cohorts which contain a substantial portion of white people, and to which our Party has more appeal than does our enemy. Increasing further our share of votes within these groups will tend to increase our overall share of the white vote.

But the effects of endemic racism remain a great obstacle to our Party's securing the votes of white people, and there is no blinking it, though pundits of the commentariat do not like to look squarely at it, anymore than they do the influence of misogyny on voting behavior. Two quotes from the sixties still define the situation. One is President Johnson's saying when he signed the Civil Rights Act that Democrats had lost the South for a generation, and the second is a comment from some operative planning Nixon's 1968 'law and order' campaign, that in matters involving the Negro, the whole country was southern. Republicans make an open appeal to such feelings among white people, and that is a chief basis of their electoral successes.

[StevieM]

116. Let's not rule out Florida and North Carolina as strong battleground states to be fiercely contested

I think Biden would be well-served to fight to the end for those states, as would future Democratic candidates.

[DeminPennswoods]

7. Klobuchar is a safe choice

for Biden. Additionally, her dropping out and endorsing him started the consolidation of the centrist Dems behind him. Wouldn't be surprising if he felt he owed it to her to pick her as VP. I think a few other dark horse candidates might be women cabinet members who worked in the Obama administration.

[LonePirate]

23. Klobuchar is a horrible choice who does nothing to bring minority voters back to the party.

Look at this info from Nate Cohn. Our major problem - and the reason we lost MI, PA and WI in 2016 - was the decreased number of minority voters in 2016. Klobuchar does not energize those voters or the party’s left wing.

Link to tweet

[HarlanPepper]

31. I don't dislike Klobuchar as much as you do

But I find it kind of surprising that some folks here have such an easy time disregarding POCs given they are the party’s base and played a central role in many of Biden’s primary victories. We don’t need another Tim Kaine type choice.

[LonePirate]

33. Exactly! Folks who think Klob is a great choice are white people giving no thought to the party base

If you are a POC, what does Klobuchar bring to the ticket to motivate you to vote for the Democrats? Nothing. We can do a lot better than Klobuchar who barely exceeds Baldwin as a terrible choice for VP.

[HotTeaBag]

60. Does Biden actually need to shore up the AA vote?

Wasn't it they whom delivered the string of wins that allowed him to become the nominee?

I remember reading that somewhere.

Joe will also need white votes to win - specifically white, suburban women - the Democratic party isn't the African American party, some of us are actually regular 'ol white people.

[LonePirate]

70. See the line graph is post 23. Biden needs to shore up minority support which is declining.

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Minority is Hispanic, AA, Asian and others. A moderate white Senator from a midwestern state who has issues with minorities from a justice standpoint will hurt more than help him.

White folks have a place on the ticket - Biden. There is ZERO reason why Klobuchar should be on the ticket even if she makes moderate white people comfortable.

[spooky3]

87. Excuse me, but women are grossly underrepresented

At this level, regardless of race. Klobuchar, like Warren, has a record of getting things done. She will help in the Midwest. The comparison to Kaine makes little sense; midwesterners didn’t identify with him and he did help deliver Virginia.

[LonePirate]

90. There are far better women than Klobuchar: Haris, Abrams, Demings. The obsession Klob is weird.

Klobuchar is also not helping one bit in the Midwest.

[DeminPennswoods]

94. Don't disagree, but just trying to think like Biden

and his staff might.

[smirkymonkey]

123. I agree completely.

She'll be a drag on the ticket.

[Jane Austin]

26. Like Kaine was a safe choice for Hillary.

He's a wonderful Senator, but he scores zero on the charisma scale.

[thesquanderer]

69. Yeah, I think choosing Kaine significantly contributed to Hillary's loss.

I'm sure he would have been a capable VP, but you have to get elected first, and in a close election, I doubt Kaine got the Dem ticket so much as a single vote (much less state) it wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

Regardless of the states or demographics you most think need shoring up, we need a motivating and mobilizing VP candidate.

[Cha]

157. "..safe choice.." "..centrist.. " buzz words..

Black people voted Overwhelmingly for Biden.. they're not.. "centrist"

Joe Biden Won in South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, Illinois, Arizona, Michigan, Maine, Massachusetts, Washington, Virginia,& Minnesota.. & Wisconsin..

Biden builds coalitions.. all kinds of people voted for him.. the same who voted for the Dems who were responsible for the 2018 House Victory. The reasons we've had a fighting chance to not be overtaken by complete fascism.

Take the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, which Biden won, or the 10 of 14 states he captured on Super Tuesday: In all, he appealed to the same coalitions that boosted Democrats so strongly in the 2018 midterm elections, turning out large numbers of suburban voters, while maintaining support from longstanding elements of the Democratic coalition, particularly African American voters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/why-did-bernie-sanders-drop-out-progressive-majority-he-needed-ncna11795

I honor Pete and Sen Klobuchar for bowing out to narrow the field for Democracy.

Joe Biden will choose the best one to be his VP.. not because he owes anyone. He knows what he's looking for in a VP.. after having done an excellent job as President Obama's VP for 8 years. This is too Important.. and everyone knows.

[NewJeffCT]

14. Polling suggests that Klobuchar is the strongest addition to the ticket

More so than Harris.

As the article states, Klobucher's seat would be filled by an appointment by the Democratic governor there.

[brush]

129. Sorry, it would be suicide to run an all-white ticket when a huge part...

of the base is African American and other POCs. Joe has blue-collar/union appeal which resonates well in the midwest swing states. He doesn't need Klobuchar to deliver states he can win by himself. He needs a high AA/Latinx turnout which, although high in 2016, dipped from Obama's figures.

Harris, Abrams, Jennings or Cortez Masto.

All-white tickets don't play as well as they used to (see 2106 which failed in midwest swing states).

[Demsrule86]

78. If you are suggesting an ideological choice...IE super left...no. you are wrong. Nothing will get

Sander's core group of voters and we don't need the few who choose not to vote for Biden...most are not Democrats. We need to stop Trump form winning in the mid west via an electoral college win...the mid west is where the election will be won or lost not in blue states. Thus Amy or Gretchen are good choices. We have no path forward without winning the blue wall states period. Sure we could get lucky and win states we haven't in quite a while but we can't count on this...so the blue wall states are our best opportunity.

[LonePirate]

84. We lost those Midwest states because minority voters did not vote and Kaine added nothing.

Minority voters are not going to be more likely to vote because Klobuchar is on the ticket. It is foolish to think so.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

83. There's no way Klobuchar's seat would be lost in a replacement election.

Walz will appoint another Democrat - I'm guessing Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan who is well liked, but it would be cool if he appointed Al Franken - and it's highly unlikely that any GOPer could defeat either of them.

[Dem4Life1102]

165. Never going to happen

Franken will not be appointed to Klobuchar's seat. So no need to sabotage the Presidential ticket for the fantasy of a Franken restoration.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

166. I realize that; it's just a happy fantasy of mine.

Nevertheless, a replacement, if there were to be one, would be a Democrat, probably Peggy Flanagan.

[Dem4Life1102]

167. Better yet

Leave Klobuchar where she is and chose a VP who will actually enhance the ticket so we can win in November.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

168. That's not up to me.

I assume Biden will make a good choice, and I have no strong opinion as to who that might be. There are a lot of solid possibilities.

[Dem4Life1102]

169. That's fair nt

[Dream Girl]

104. Klobuchar Tim Kaine

[DFW]

5. It it's between those two, I wouldn't even need to flip a coin

Whitmer is an able administrator and doing an admirable job as governor--a huge contrast to her Republican predecessor. She would be an effective campaigner for Biden while at the same time keeping an vital eye on her state's electoral process (via her Secretary of State). Republican electoral fraud will be especially concentrated on states that were close last time, particularly ones that Trump supposedly "won." She is needed right where she is. I know of no potential successor-in-waiting who would be as good.

Klobuchar has all the assets listed in the article, and Minnesota has several dedicated and able Democrats who could replace her, not the least of which was already elected to the Senate from Minnesota twice in the last 12 years. Whether he could ever be persuaded to again share the floor with so many who treated him so shabbily is another matter entirely. He indicated to me in late December that he was inclined not to, but at the time, the prospect of Amy Klobucher joining the Executive Branch seemed remote. Maybe events of the last three and a half months will have caused him to reconsider. I know that eight of the thirty-odd have apologized to him in private. If that number has significantly increased in the meantime, that would carry some sway as well.

Klobuchar would get my vote IF the choice narrows down to those two. I hope she is the only one currently in the Senate who is under serious consideration.

[Clash City Rocker]

13. Plus Amy has been vetted

Her presidential campaign lasted longer than most people thought it would, and she impressed a number of voters (including me) who didn’t see her potential before.

[USALiberal]

6. Not a Klobuchar fan. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Me neither... Bernie for VP is the obvious choice for uniting the party.

Had Hillary done so, she would have EASILY trounced Dotard the Clown!!

[USALiberal]

12. Funny! nt

[redstatebluegirl]

18. Good grief NO!

[DFW]

19. I don't think he'd survive the operation

Since Joe Biden has categorically stated that he would be picking a woman as his VP, Sanders would have to undergo a sex-change operation to qualify. At his age, I'm not sure he would come through such a complicated procedure completely intact.

[RobinA]

52. Biden Stated That?

OK, so much for any former Trump voters who might be tempted to cross over. Hopefully they will just stay home. And the Obama voters who voted for Trump. Biden won't win with a female VP. And I hope I'm wrong. I'd rather see him go with an African American man. Not sure who, but...

[DFW]

55. Biden said he would be picking a woman as his VP candidate

He could change his mind, of course, but that would be a fatal flip-flop at this point. The media would have more of a field day with that than they did with Howard's "scream."

So, barring unforeseen events, yes, his pick will have two X chromasomes.

[RobinA]

63. Agree

that changing at this point would be a major mistake. I don't think even a master talker like Bill Clinton could sell that one.

[DFW]

73. Clinton wouldn't try. Hillary wouldn't let him!

Biden made his bed, and now will sleep in it.

I'm not second-guessing his choice, but it's not something I would have promised this early on.

On the other hand, he won more delegates than all of DU combined, so who are we to tell him he was wrong?

[TwilightZone]

126. "Biden won't win with a female VP."

Based on what?

[mr_lebowski]

156. Were I to hazard an argument (which I'm not saying that I'm making, mind you)

it would go something like this ... because there's never been a female POTUS or VP elected in the USA. They are 0/3. Or 0/90 if you want to look at it another way.

Again, I'm not making the argument he can't win with a female VP.

But I don't think that argument is ludicrous.

At this point though he cannot win WITHOUT a female VP either, so ...

[FM123]

140. DFW!

"I don't think he'd survive the operation."
Omg! I always enjoy your posts because you are so insightful and informative BUT I had no idea you were also so funny!

[DFW]

145. Since Biden stated his intention weeks ago

I couldn't resist

[ismnotwasm]

21. No

[doc03]

22. If he picked Bernie Trump would win in a EC landslide nt

[empedocles]

59. Only BS could unite the right and middle in a trump landslide

[SlogginThroughIt]

30. Did you pay attention to the primaries?

[Maru Kitteh]

47. Oh god. That's not going to happen, or rather shall I say,

That's not going to happen, either.

[pandr32]

54. No

In fact--hell no.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. Hell no?? Hell yess... if we wanna crush the Orange Shitstain in November!!

[calguy]

74. Bernie shouldn't be allowed within 100 ft of any ticket

for obvious reasons.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

85. LOL!

Yeah, that would make a lot of sense - a 77-year-old presidential candidate choosing as his running mate a 78-year-old with a heart condition. Right.



You really need to let go of the Bernie fantasy; it's over.

[Captain Stern]

91. The Party is already united, and will vote for Biden.

The people (if there are any) that won't vote for Biden unless Sanders is his VP pick aren't Democrats, and never were.

[brush]

130. Puh-leeze! That's a sure loser.

[dixiechiken1]

27. Ditto. Double ditto, actually.

Klobuchar brings nothing to the table. She may be capable but she has ZERO charisma, as far as I can see. Agree or not, people have to be enthusiastic in order to get them to the polls. Without that enthusiasm, the election will be close enough for the GOP to steal. IMHO.

[Demsrule86]

79. I love Amy personally.

[Squinch]

8. Tammy Duckworth.

[Clash City Rocker]

11. I've thought about her as running mate a few times

Her military background would bolster support among veterans, who should be pretty angry about how Trump has treated them. She was born in Thailand, but her dad was an American citizen. We don’t need help winning Illinois, but a woman of color who was injured fighting for her country would surely win over many voters.

[StevieM]

118. I think Tammy Duckworth is a very strong contender for the VP nomination. (eom)

[3Hotdogs]

9. Anyone but Kamala.

I would support her for Att'y Gen'l.

[MrsCoffee]

32. Buckle Up.

She is a fantastic choice and will be his running mate.

[Dem4Life1102]

35. Are you willing to bet money on that?

[MrsCoffee]

109. Sure, but I'm not willing to give you my info to collect, lol.

[Dem4Life1102]

112. That's a no

[3Hotdogs]

40. After she tried to fuck him over in the first debate?

[xmas74]

41. But that actually offers a good argument in the public eye.

They come together, united in standing up for what's right and needed in this country. She can then say that she will speak out if needed and that we won't have a Yes man in office compared to the current situation. Biden can refer to her as something like a personal checks and balances system or something.

If marketed well it could be a huge selling point. They don't have to get along-Reagan and Bush hated each other, other presidents only tolerated their veep. Obama and Biden's friendship and support was unusual.

[Dem4Life1102]

113. No that is a GOP attack ad

that writes itself.

[VOX]

121. It's politics.

You fight for your spot, then you’re pals again. It’s an ancient practice. We civilians often think, how can they do that? Beat on each other, then shake hands? It’s just what they do, and it’s not for everybody (obviously).

Yes, there will be endless attack ads, but Harris vs. Biden will be the least of them. Republicans are heavily into their alternate-reality, Orwellian spin, where everything they claim will be the opposite of what actually is, in objective reality. Hopefully they’ll get fewer takers this time.

[Dem4Life1102]

125. There are still better VP choices than Harris

None of whom accused Biden of being a racist on national television.

[brush]

131. She did not. In fact, she did him a favor. He stopped immediately from...

reminiscing fondly about working with segregationists who called him "son" and black men "boy". If he had kept that up Clyburn would never have endorse in for SC and many black men would've voted for someone else.

[Dem4Life1102]

146. Still better choices

who can help flip a swing state and attract more progressives to the ticket than Harris.

[brush]

147. That's one opinion. And Harris will eat Pence's lunch in a debate.

[Dem4Life1102]

149. Yeah an opinion on how to win the electoral college

versus some meaningless principle.

[brush]

150. And your solution is...

[Dem4Life1102]

154. A VP pick

who will help to flip a swing state, attract progressive voters and excite African Americans.

[xmas74]

139. Not really

I've heard plenty of independent voters who've stated they're disgusted with how Pence just goes along with everything, even when he has to know it's wrong. They've said that there needs to be someone as veep who can stand up to the president if needed-and they weren't talking about just Trump. They've said that someone that close should do something, even if it's in disagreement with the president.

I've had conversations like this time and again at our booths from people who claim to be independents but can't stand Trump, or were interested in ballot measures we were campaigning

[Dem4Life1102]

148. Interesting but irrelevant

The VP pick should help flip a swing and help attract more voters.

[Happy Hoosier]

135. Joe doesn't hold grudges.

It’s one reason he’s the right guy for this moment.

[JI7]

151. She didn't fuck him over. He won . He is the nominee and she is most likely his personal preference

if he goes with someone else it would be because they are seen as better in terms of electability .

[Cha]

158. I read Biden say awhile ago that he

will choose someone who has his vision.. that he knows what he's looking for in a VP having held that job for 8 years.

It's really good to see you again.. I've missed your logic.

StaySafe, JI7

[PunkinPi]

53. +1...

She was my first choice as a candidate, and I think she and Biden would make a formidable team.

Biden’s Top 12 Running Mates, Ranked - Politico article

Kamala Harris Would Make the Best Vice Presidential Candidate, Voters Say In Poll - Newsweek article

Also, anecdotally there seems to be much enthusiasm for her to be the VP pick.

DUer's Twitter poll -- https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213257851
DUer's DU poll -- https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287669793
Another DUer's DU poll -- https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287671123

[VOX]

117. Hell yes, MrsCoffee!

With you 100%.

[OnDoutside]

15. I, and many here, have been saying that voters just want normal. That's a reason I believe Joe won,

yet here am I believing that Stacy Abrams would be an outstanding choice for Joe, but doesn't that represent a gamble that the voters didn't want to take in the Presidential Primaries ? Yes, it probably does, but 2016 is at the back of my mind. As decent a person as Tim Kaine is, I felt that Hillary might have lost an opportunity to provide a more energetic (in terms of voter turnout) running mate.

I don't know enough about Whitmer, only what most of us have seen of her, but she does seem to have that gutsy outgoing personality that will be needed. I don't get that same feeling about Klobuchar.

[gibraltar72]

16. I have met talked to and shook hand of Gretchen Whitmer.

One impressive lady. She definitely would chew Pence up in any debate.

[DeminPennswoods]

95. Sally Yates is interesting, so is Hilda Solis

Sebelius is a dark hores. Stacey Abrahms is a double-edged sword. She'd energize the AfAm vote, but also the racist Trumpers. For my money, Katie Porter would be an awesome choice. Four years as an understudy and she'd make a terrific president should Biden win and choose not to run for re-election.

[StevieM]

119. I like Hilda Solis a lot. She would be a good choice. (eom)

[DFW]

24. Whoever Biden picks must be viewed in the context of being our 2024 nominee

Biden hasn't said a word about intending to serve for just one term if elected, but that is my suspicion, and also that of some people far better dialed into the DC insider scene than I am.

That isn't engraved in stone anywhere, but it can't be discounted either. With a president who will be 78 at the time of his inauguration, it would be foolish to ignore the prospect of the VP assuming office, or, even if not, ready to be the party's nominee at the end of one term. It was scary enough that the Republicans were willing to place Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin and Mike Pence a heartbeat away from the presidency. We wouldn't be that foolish, but to place someone in that position with the only consideration being if they lent the proper "balance" to the ticket is just wrong and does a disservice to the nation.

The next VP can't be just for show. If we win, our VP must necessarily be considered to be a qualified president-in-waiting. Maybe not coincidentally, the last three Democratic nominees who made that a top consideration, Carter, Clinton and Obama, all won.

[DFW]

42. The bench will remain deep, as it should (just in case), but incumbency is a golden ticket

IF Biden is elected and does well, anyone wanting to primary his VP for the nomination in 2024 will have to come up with some extremely convincing arguments as to why THEY deserve the nomination more than a sitting VP that has spent 4 years at Biden's side, in close personal contact with world leaders, and with four years of on-the-job experience in dealing with Congress from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

If Biden announces his retirement before the 2024 campaign season starts, AND his VP choice announces her candidacy, he will be hard put NOT to endorse her immediately. Besides, anyone trying to primary her will have to put some VERY strong arguments as to why she did such a poor job as VP to warrant the challenge--unless, of course, she really DID do such a poor job. If it's Whitmer or Klobuchar, I'd say that chances of that are below 1%.

[DFW]

160. We're talking about the next 12 years of ALL of their political futures

One can be successful without being in the Oval Office, and all but one person will have to be content with that. The presidency from 2024 to 2032 will not be shared equally between Abrams, Buttigieg, Booker, Castro, Beto, Yang, Harris and Warren. I'm sure that by then, we will have newcomers to add to the list as well. Joe Kennedy is probably already thinking about 2024 or 2028. But there are Cabinet positions, Senate seats (including, hopefully, new majority leadership), governorships and even conceivable vacancies on the Supreme Court to fill.

If the Biden-Whoever team does a credible job, and the VP can take credit for some concrete accomplishments, she will have a legitimate claim to the 2024 nomination. That doesn't preclude a primary challenge, but if it isn't justified, then it will be (again) a divisive ego trip. We've been there and done that twice in a row. With 2008 and 2012, we did well with "United We Stand." With 2016, we suffered with "Divided We Fall." We can't risk falling for the foreseeable future. There is too much damage control to be done to spend a lot of time deciding who will be heading the cast of characters.

[William769]

25. Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Anybody but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!

Have I made myself clear?

[HarlanPepper]

28. The age requirements for VP and POTUS are even clearer

[DFW]

43. No, you haven't

Please elaborate in detail

[brush]

132. She's not old enough. And she needs to stop trying to primary Dem incumbents.

[Celerity]

159. She basically has stopped. The only 2 primary challengers to sitting Democrats she endorsed

were the ONLY 2 Democrats in the entire House who I also supported being primaried, the 2 worst Democrats in Congress (Henry Cuellar, who unfortunately won, as his main opponent was not the strongest, and then Dan Lipinski, who was defeated by the fantastic Marie Newman.) Collin Peterson is pretty bad too, BUT he is a ruby Red district and is by far the best we can do there, so I do NOT support primarying him at all.

AOC declined to endorse ANY other candidates running against any sitting Democrat in the House or Senate, including declining to endorse Cori Bush, who re-ran against William Lacy-Clay in Missouri.

Both of Cuellar's and Lipinski's opponents were also endorsed by EMILY's List and other mainstream Democrats groups. Both Cuellar and Lipinski were in safe Blue seats and both were anti-LGBTQ, rabidly pro-life, Cuellar is A - rated by the NRA, supported, campaigned for and fundraised for a horrid, bigot, racist, climate-change denier Rethug (John Carter) against MJ Hegar, who is now running against Cornyn, in texas, for the US Senate. Lipinski refused to endorse Obama, and voted against the ACA, and Cuellar is anti-immigrant as well, and is the biggest recipient of private prison money in the entire Dem House delegation, as well as being the top beneficiary of big oil money amongst all House Dems as well. Lipinski's campaign in 2018, propped up by around 1 million USD in partially RW-funded dark money flooding in during the last several weeks of the race, also despicably smeared Newman as a Holocaust denier and an anti-Catholic. Neither one of those 2 support our Party's overall platform, and hopefully we run a more moderate, stronger candidate in 2022 and finally defeat Cuellar, who voted with Trump and the Rethugs almost 70% of the time in the last full Congress. A good test for me is what would the country be like if you cloned the two, and then had a Congress with 80% of Cuellar/Lipinski clones (80% could override any POTUS veto instantly.) Also make the SCOTUS 4 Lipinski clones and 4 Cuellar clones. Abortion would be basically outlawed, and my marriage (I am lesbian) would be null and voided, plus dog knows what other calamitous outcomes, especially in regards to guns, healthcare, immigration, private prisons, banking regulation, and global climate change/energy.



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[DeminPennswoods]

162. She's under 35, don't worry

nt

[Ninga]

29. Not Klobuchar. We already had Tim Kaine.

She is not suited and there are better choices

[Dem4Life1102]

34. ...

[Tribetime]

92. Agree

[Chainfire]

36. The election will not be decided by the VP choice

This election will be a national referendum as to whether or not to replace Trump. The Democratic VP candidate will not be a decisive issue.

[Borchkins]

37. NO No NoNoNoNoNoNO

Woman of Color. Please! Biden can win Wisconsin without a midwestern woman.

We need a woman of color.

[DFW]

45. We need

A woman of Competence. All colors welcome, no color turned away.

[Dem4Life1102]

50. Actually

Demographics are more important.

[DFW]

51. That's what Republican strategists thought with Sarah Palin in 2008

If Demographics are more important than competence, get Oprah.

[Dem4Life1102]

62. Sure if she would do it

Oprah would really energize both the African American and the Woman's vote.

[DFW]

75. That is probably true.

However, she is one very smart lady, and she knows how much she knows (or doesn't) about foreign policy, congressional workings and line-item vetoes. I'm sure that if she wanted the job and thought she could do it competently, she would have the means to have communicated that to the Biden Campaign long ago. People like Oprah can get just about anybody they want on the phone within half a minute of they want to.

[brush]

133. All-white tickets when the POCs are a huge part of the base? No, we are not...

the repug party.

[judeling]

39. Klobuchar is the perfect choice

This election is about Trump. It is about nothing else. When you internalize this the shape of the campaign emerges and Klobuchar makes more and more sense.

Trump will have to drive his base. There is really no choice. Driving his base drives ours in reflection. The reflective enthusiasm has been apparent in recent elections and Bitecofer argues it has play to the Republican advantage more then ours as we have had the more dynamic candidates. With Trump we could not have the more dynamic candidate even Sanders couldn't become that.

So Biden should not really try to drive the base as much as be seen as open enough to the various parts of it to allow it to come to him. In that Klobuchar would allow him to absolutely solidify his natural support so allowing him to make more moves towards the left even if not to far. The complacency of 2016 is gone and unless that is included I the calculations you cannot understand the coming election.

Joe's campaign is no counting on a enthusiastic base, more of a determined one. With that he can play a zero sum game in the middle. Biden will allow Trump to drive his support down to the core 36%. That is his whole game. I that Klobuchar again emerges as one of the better choices. She is more acceptable to the less Trump attached Republicans and Republican leaners then just about any other. This will play big dividends in down ballot races in particular the Senate. As Trump works to ignite the crazy he will naturally drive away those less attached. In addition it allows our down ballot candidates to tie there opponents more and more to Trump as they cannot not afford to much distance as the Trump base is truly committed and they will be I not position to separate to far. Look at Iowa as an example Grassley can start distancing as he is not up, but Ernst is stuck, Klobuchar ca come in and give a nod to Grassley with the stuff they have worked on together and dis Ernst at the same time.

What Klobuchar brings is now three main things. You don't have to squint to see Biden and it is Biden v Trump, she has a credibility in Red Rural and suburban America that no one else has right now, and newer a direct and compelling experience with Covid-19 which this year will be important. That is for the campaign.

As far as governing the Senate will remain key and there is quite frankly no one Joe could pick who would be better to steer anything through right now.

[Dem4Life1102]

49. No She is a terrible choice

Tim Kaine 2.0

She is from a solid blue state and won’t help flip a swing state like Florida or North Carolina. She is more moderate than Biden so she won’t help attract progressives to the ticket. And she won’t help energize African American voters who are needed to come out in the same numbers that they did for Obama. She is a bad choice no matter how you look at it.

Plus even she did become VP, there is no way Al Franken will be appointed to her Senate seat.

[Dem4Life1102]

88. They still came out to vote in overwhelming numbers for him

and didn't for the Clinton/Kaine (2 white people) ticket.

[judeling]

102. They knew they needed to.

I really do think people understand just how much complacency played in 2016. It was 1948.

[StevieM]

143. I disagree. It is the effect of James Comey that people don't understand.

He completely redefined Hillary as a public servant and as a human being. Comey dominated that election from start to finish.

[judeling]

99. Thats more an issue for 2022 and 24

But to solidify the expanded base I see possible there needs to be real movement and progress across a broad front. That does not really depend on anything big and systematic as continuous and ongoing.

[brush]

134. Stop with the bs. You don't speak for me and I'm African American.

[judeling]

98. She is a shark.

With very sharp teeth. In no way is she Tim Kaine 2.0. She probably has more scalps out of this campaign season then any other candidate. She led the actually policy charge and laid the heavier blows from the Biden lane of the party. That others benefitted more then she did is actually something you want to see in a VP candidate.

What is more her easy manner with Bernie will be very important, And anyone who can have Michal Moore sing your praises has a lot more potential with the progressive lane of the party then you are allowing.

You are making the mistake of what is now and what will be. As the VP candidate she will be going after the other side and supporting ours that will change the dynamic dramatically as the natural root for the home team kicks in.

[Dem4Life1102]

100. She doesn't enhance the ticket at all

Whether she is a "shark" or not. She doesn't help flip a swing state. She doesn't excite or attract any groups of voters that Biden isn't already supporting Biden.

[Celerity]

111. +100

[judeling]

114. She Brings the most important group in this election

Those that don't want to vote for Trump but will if they get scared.

If Biden even appeared to be a bit younger then he does that may be less of an issue. But as it stands right now that is the entry that Trump is going to play against him and through that however Bide picks as VP. Amy blunts that attack and does nothing to drive away anyone.

[Dem4Life1102]

115. So do many others

And any argument about Biden’s only helps Trump.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

44. Biden has painted himself into a corner

He agreed to pick a woman - and strongly implied that it would be a woman of color - before the COVID 19 crisis took place. Governors - most of whom are white and male - have been on the forefront.

Jay Inslee
Gavin Newsome
Andrew Cuomo

If Trump fires Fauci, he'd be an interesting pick.

Otherwise, pick Tammy Duckworth. Wounded warrior and woman of color. Proud Dem. Midwesterner.

[DFW]

46. I would have loved for Inslee to be the pick. No such luck.

Secretary of the Interior, maybe, or EPA, Jay might be content to end his career as one of the best governors Washington State has ever had.

As for Tammy, I wouldn't over-emphasize her mixed race. She sure doesn't. When I fist met her, I asked her about her Asian features, and she just said, "oh, my mom was Thai." She said it so off-hand, she might just as well have said, "oh, my mom was right-handed."

[RobinA]

61. As Deadly

for Biden's chances as I think a woman VP would be, I could get behind Duckworth as his choice. She's a firebrand and has the military background that could pull in some of that demographic who held their noses and voted for Trump. She makes it OK to be military and a Democrat.

[JI7]

152. Biden is a white man so there is already a white man on the ticket , Those Governors are needed in

their states.

nothing changes with the current situation . the women in consideration would all be good choices as VP and President .

[Algernon Moncrieff]

175. Someone with proven leadership in a crisis is always better

Whitmer qualifies in the current context.

Duckworth was at least under fire in combat. Val Demings has been in law enforcement.

[WhiteTara]

48. EXCEPT he promised a woman of color for VP

Stop trying to ambush the most capable of all, Kamala Harris. She can continue to push inside for inclusion of all. Joe is willing, but if he has someone who is more pragmatic than forward-thinking, he will stay dead center and we need that push to save the planet and all living things who inhabit the earth.

[spooky3]

89. No, he didn't. He pledged to pick a woman. Nt

[saidsimplesimon]

56. Has picking a VP based

on help in winning an election since JFK/LBJ translated into votes that made a difference? I don't know the answer to that.

I am of the opinion that candidates should select someone who will support their agenda, someone they trust, and someone they like.

[walkingman]

65. Hoping he does a better job than his Democratic predecessor. Never understood that one.

[zackymilly]

66. Whitmer is out. She won't get the gardener votes. n/t

[lame54]

67. Please - not Klobuchar

[calguy]

72. AMY has been my#1 VP choice since day 1

She just checks all my boxes.

[underpants]

76. Nnnnnope

Neither one is going to create the turnout we need.

[0rganism]

77. checks for mention of Stacey Abrams or Val Demings *nope*

classify as "fake news" i guess

[beachbumbob]

80. niether are his top 2 choiuces be real. It will be Harris

[LakeArenal]

81. There are so many great choices

Your opinion is one thing.

Needlessly bashing any of them is detrimental to all of them.

As someone from the Midwest, MY OPINION is Amy is a woman that would help the ticket in the Midwest. But that’s my opinion. I think Stacy Abrams would greatly help the south. But that’s my opinion. Whitmer seems a star du jour who seems capable as any. That’s just my OPINION.

Please quit trying to point out the worst qualities and promote the great qualities of the ones you prefer.

We are talking Democrats at DU. All Democrats. We should try to support them
all in a fashion.

[saidsimplesimon]

82. As a contraian, I expect

Mr. Biden and his team to vet and select the candidate for VP.

Is there any evidence that an election was won or lost because of the VP pick? The exception in my mind was the Kennedy/Johnson election.

[budkin]

86. Kamala Harris tbh

Go get er

[Calculating]

96. It needs to be Amy

As a former Bernie supporter she seems like the best vp pick. She's capable, competent, and has few weaknesses

[Arthur_Frain]

97. What if Biden goes way off the reservation?

I don’t sleep well. I have what reddit calls “shower thoughts” all the time. Most recently they’ve been that Biden would either:

1.) Pick Michelle Obama as a big FUCK YOU to the orange shit brain personally and all of his voters/supporters in general. I think this one would put him in the whitehouse. Not the best decision maybe, but better than the options available IMHO.

2.) Pick Hillary Clinton as the usual democratic “we can screw up a sure thing” choice, thus ensuring a second term for the orange turd. A really horrendous decision.

These are not put forth in a sincere “I really wish he’d consider these” manner, more from the twilight zone episode we all seem to be stuck in these days. If either of these took place, it would be just one more reason for me to wonder WTF is going on?

Bear in mind that for all of 2014/15 I had a “Trump/Sheen in 2016: A Bad Idea Whose Time Has Come” bumpersticker I’d dreamt up on my car. Sheepishly peeled it off sometime in 2016.

[customerserviceguy]

103. Yeah

Let's do the Tim Kaine thing again, worked out so well the last time.

[Me.]

106. NO Way

We need a POC and especially a woman

[Blue_true]

124. Generally I don't pigeonhole things, but you are 100% right.

There are several excellent Hispanic choices and several African American choices. Hopefully Biden does his screening well, the woman that is chosen need to be squeaky clean from an ethics standpoint and have a solid record in government.

I believe African Americans would totally support a Hispanic woman that is solid, as would Hispanics support a very solid African American choice that is rock solid and had good relations with Hispanic groups as a leader.

[Thunderbeast]

107. My VP choices (for what it's worth)

1. Kamala Harris
2. Susan Rice
3. Amy Klobuchar
4. Gretchen Whitmer
5. Stacy Abrahms
6. Tammy Duckworth

Wish I could put them on the list...but can't:

A: Elizabeth Warren....Can't risk her Senate seat
B: Samantha Power....Born in Canada🇨🇦
C: Katie Porter....She needs a little more experience but call me in four years!

[krawhitham]

120. Katie Porter

Gretchen Whitmer has a job to do that does not allow her time to be on the ticket

Do we really want a person who would cut can run from her job during a pandemic?

[xmas74]

141. I want Katie where she's at right now.

We need her to do some heavy lifting over the next session. By 2028 I'd live to see her consider a top spot.

[DeminPennswoods]

164. As VP, she'd have much more influence on policy

She really does her homework on how things work and she is excellent at explaining things in clear, plain language ala Howard Dean. I think she would really connect with working women of all classes. She would execute a precision skewer of Pence in a debate, too.

I think if Biden goes for a person of color, it will be a Latina. Veronica Escobar of El Paso comes to mind. I have been impressed with her all during Trump and Miller's draconian immigration policy. Winning Texas has been a goal for Dems the past few cycles. She could put it in play and O'Rourke would bring his TX resources along, too, in support.

[xmas74]

172. She would be wasted as veep.

We need strong people in Congress right now to do the heavy lifting. She's needed exactly where she's at.

She will have plenty of time in the future to make her own run. By then her reputation will be known to everyone, not just those playing attention. Give it a few years and the there won't be a person out there who doesn't know her.

[honest.abe]

122. I like Whitmer but not sure about Klobuchar

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Klobuchar would be about number 5 on my list.

Whitmer, Harris, Rice, Deming are my top 4.

[Celerity]

155. anyone but Klobuchar (out of the top 10 or 11 women)

She lacks the temperament IMHO, will have PoC issues like she did in the primaries, where she polled worse than even Pete with PoC, and also has a problematic past with race-related legal justice (this critique is also looking ahead to the fact that Biden's VP will be in the prime spot for a 2024 or 2028 run.)

She also is probably the best choice out of the 10 or 11 if you want to poke the left liberals to progressives in the eye. Other than Delaney, Bloomberg, and Hickenlooper, she was the most hostile towards the left half of the party of the 29 candidates. She also does little to help with the 40 year old and under vote (a big issue for Biden himself) and simply doesn't have that much charisma.

This whole 'she guarantees the Midwest' thing is vastly overrated, as she did fairly poorly in IA (especially considering she is from the adjacent state), and was not polling well in WI, MI and PA. She was a one hit wonder (New Hampshire, 3rd place) that actually only served to give the Sanderites false hope, as if Klobuchar (who then collapsed after NH) had not had that one good debate right before (where she damaged Buttigieg with a false charge, the only time in all the debates he did not counterpunch well, although he took her down the next debate, where she self-exposed her ill temperament and she was panned hard by most of the pundits and focus groups) Pete would have won NH in a cakewalk, thus REALLY putting the boot to Bernie. Pete still would have not won another primary after NH, and he still would have dropped out and endorsed Biden. The only thing NH did was to inject Klobuchar into this VP speculation, and I think she is a mediocre choice, there are far better ones out there. I obviously will vote for a Biden/Klobuchar ticket in November, but I am not an archetype of the voters that she will have issues with.

[Dem4Life1102]

161. Great analysis! nt

[standingtall]

173. Amy Klobuchar would be a terrible pick for VP

I'm not sold she would help us carry Midwestern States other than Minnesota which we will likely win anyway. What does she do to help turnout in Philadelphia,Detroit and Milwaukee? Probably not nearly as much as Stacey Abrams or Kamala Harris. The last thing we need is a boring centrist on the bottom of the ticket like we had in 2016.