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Am I wrong in thinking that there are problems with the food chain?
The initial "hoarding" mentality seems to have calmed down, but there are still many empty shelves in the grocery stores.
For instance, in my local grocery the empty shelves included Rice, Pasta, Paper Goods (including napkins), plastic goods such as Trash Bags, Storage Bags, refrigerated items like Packaged Cheese, Cookie Dough, Pie Dough, Juice, etc.
Luckily, there was no shortage of vegetables except carrots. How long that will last, I don't know.
pazzyanne
(6,543 posts)I have also noticed this in my area. We are finding problems with eggs, bread and yeast to make bread, many canned goods, meat, and the usual paper products that are not springing back like we were told they would.
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)took one or more meals away from home 5 days a week. Also one where if one worker got sick the plant did not need to close.
Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)People going out to eat because of all the activities the kids are involved in. Weekend nights out etc.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Initially, the problem was hoarding. But not months later. The underlying problem is two completely separate supply chains: one for retail shopping outlets, and one for businesses, restaurants, etc. The TP you use at the office is manufactured, distributed, and delivered by completely separate companies from the ones who manufacture, distribute, and deliver it to stores.
Both chains are hurting: the retail side can't keep up, and the business side is suffering a glut and loss of sales.
It's extremely difficult to join them together - for example, TP production machines make very different products for the two markets, and retooling is prohibitively expensive for an industry on razor-thin margins. Retailers don't know how to even find these suppliers, even if they could persuade consumers to buy the unfamiliar (at home) products.
I recently was able to score some industrial TP at a restaurant supply house; they seemed to have plenty. It's pretty crappy, but it sure beats having none.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)TP back as well. Only thing still missign: Clorox wipes.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)I'd rather post 25 more stories about how the supply chain has completely broken down.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)zackymilly
(2,375 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)so lots of people are stocking up on those (all those people that used to eat out every day aren't now).
MissB
(15,803 posts)I know some folks live on such a razor edge that it isnt possible.
But the rest of us should be keeping more in the pantry. I dont think the supply chain is going to shift from just in time anytime soon.
I accidentally bought two 25 lbs bags of rice last year. Oops. I usually am more on top of my basement storage room but I think I was at Costco and just decided to grab one not remembering all the rice I still had.
I nearly ran out of jars storing it. I use a food saver jar attachment to seal food like pasta, rice and beans in quart or larger jars. (Tip: cut a coffee filter to fit the inside of the attachment if youre sealing up small or powdery stuff like flour or couscous).
Im keeping things like canned soup, rice mixes, pasta, black beans and soap on my weekly shopping list. Im not exactly running low but I want to replenish my stock of those items. I have only found our favorite soup, but not the other items. I suspect manufacturing will catch up eventually.
Hopefully some of the items are being diverted to the large scale food bank operations.
unblock
(52,116 posts)basically it's a big shift from corporate and restaurant consumption to home consumption.
often it's the "same stuff" being consumed, but packaged in different sizes and sometimes quality.
people are still eating pizzas, but more frozen pizzas heated up at home instead of at the local pizzeria. the frozen pizza makers can't just instantly make up the difference. even cans of tomatoes or whatever need to come in household sizes rather than restaurant sizes.
same goes for trash bags. this even somewhat explains the toilet paper problems as corporate-sized rolls of thin one-ply isn't what usually gets sold to households.
one of the interesting things about the economic effects is that while most businesses are getting crushed, some businesses are hitting paydirt if they can meet the demand....
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)The milk, collected from Mueller Dairy Farms 1,000 cows, should have been hauled to dairy processors across the state for bottling or to be turned into cheese. But the coronavirus pandemic is disrupting all that, closing restaurants and schools that buy the nations dairy productsand forcing hard choices for farmers like Mrs. Mueller.
Milk, eggs, veggies intended for schools and restaurants are being destroyed. The argument is that the canning/freezing companies and the food banks can't handle the onslaught. Meanwhile, there is like 25% unemployment, and long lines for food aid, so there is a disconnect. Smater targeting of the stimulus funds might have been directed towards buying some of the surplus to give as food aid. Also, our school systems are preparing "free" school lunches and handing them out on a drive through basis. I live in a relatively affluent area, and I was shocked to see the lines.
I've been ordering delivery or picking up orders online in the parking lot. Saturday, we had to go to Target to pick up a prescription from CVS. It turned into a grocery shopping trip. Why? Because we discovered that there is a disconnect between what is allegedly not available online and what is actually in the store. To be sure, some areas are still sparse: tortillas, pasta, and some canned goods. We noticed more beans on the shelves than previously; frozen foods were good; meat and produce were in strong supply. Cereal was good; dairy and juice were fine. TP and cleaning supplies are still emptied off the shelves. That becomes a self-fulfilling shortage, as the moment they appear, those that didn't get in on the first round of hoarding feel the need to grab with both hands.
Alex4Martinez
(2,192 posts)Can't keep up with the demand for, say, certain canned and frozen and baked goods which were nicely produced throughout each year based on consumption patterns.
Availability of labor, lack thereof, makes matters that much worse.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)* JBS USA shut a beef plant in Souderton, Pennsylvania, until April 16, after previously cutting production.
* JBS reduced production a beef plant in Greeley, Colorado, due to high absences among workers, according to the local United Food and Commercial Workers union. The company said high absenteeism led slaughter rates to outpace the process of cutting carcasses into pieces.
* National Beef Packing suspended cattle slaughtering at a beef plant in Tama, Iowa, for a cleaning and planned to resume on April 13.
* Aurora Packing Company closed a beef plant in Aurora, Illinois, said Brad Lyle, chief financial officer for U.S. commodity firm Kerns and Associates. A security officer at the plant said it was closed due to the pandemic. The company did not respond to requests for comment.
Where's the damn toilet paper? The shelves here in SE Pa are as empty as they were the day after Wolf announced the first stay at home order.
I'm out ahead of the hair dye shortage, though! Minute I saw that hair dye sales were up 23% I got my order in with Amazon.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)I actually decided I was going to stop dying my hair and grow it out back in January before this all happened. The last time I dyed it, I got as close to my natural color as I could. Now I'm just letting it grow out. I do have to trim my own bangs occasionally, but that's not too bad.
IcyPeas
(21,841 posts)it is imported from Italy. are they not importing right now? or it's held up somewhere along the line? Are other imported foods being shipped in?
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)for instagram likes.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Havent been out much, but the last time I went, everything I needed was there.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Said all the workers would be sick or dead.
Lets not get silly about all this. This is hard enough, no need to make it worse with conjecture.