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Not a single economist or public health expert: (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 2020 OP
If it wasn't so serious it'd be funny. Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #1
And yet you made me Cha Apr 2020 #28
Guess again, Justin. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #2
gosh, i'm an economist, too, who knew! and a public health expert as well, i guess! unblock Apr 2020 #7
If Justin Wolfe meant, "no PhD, not teaching economics, means not an economist" then okay, they mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #12
They may have degrees ... but have any of them made their professional living as economists? mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #10
Super . . . hatrack Apr 2020 #18
Bwhahahaha! love_katz Apr 2020 #27
Most people do not think that having a Bachelor's degree in economics makes one an economist. Sloumeau Apr 2020 #19
I'm going to disagree with you on that. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #21
Saying that Milton Friedman recommended someone good does not dispute that Milton Friedman is an Sloumeau Apr 2020 #24
Greg Palast's Varaddem Apr 2020 #29
Not the choices i'd have gone with but ok * demmiblue Apr 2020 #3
I'm surprised Melania was not included calguy Apr 2020 #4
At least to represent Gucci and Yves St Laurent economic recovery plans Submariner Apr 2020 #11
we're so far gone that it's hardly worth mentioning that there are two family members here unblock Apr 2020 #5
+1 crickets Apr 2020 #16
Geez - they sure used a younger photo of Lighthizer. Isn't he like blm Apr 2020 #6
Huh, no Ike Perlmutter? He was qualified somehow to write policy for the VA mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #8
Just a bunch of cheerleaders. 😡 Arkansas Granny Apr 2020 #9
There's an idea PSPS Apr 2020 #13
ALL of them Trump toadies and TrishaJ Apr 2020 #14
They's Mah Braintruhst - just like the Soggy Bottom Boys! jpak Apr 2020 #15
Where's Barron? Get the boy in there, learn the ropes, good practice for real emergencies Baclava Apr 2020 #17
He's good at The Cyber, I hear . . . hatrack Apr 2020 #20
Not exactly a Team of Rivals gratuitous Apr 2020 #22
Luckily there are enough scared folks out there to keep staying home and cause cbdo2007 Apr 2020 #23
Nepotism Barbie and her gaggle of soy boys & cuckolded old men ConnorMarc Apr 2020 #25
Best description of Incestvanka and her entourage yet! sandensea Apr 2020 #26

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
1. If it wasn't so serious it'd be funny.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:38 PM
Apr 2020

I can’t imagine a more ill-equipped group to attempt anything more complicated than opening a jar of peanut butter.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,420 posts)
2. Guess again, Justin.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:39 PM
Apr 2020
https://en.ikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Mnuchin

Mnuchin attended Riverdale Country School in New York City. He graduated from Yale University in 1985 with a bachelor's degree in economics. At Yale, Mnuchin was publisher of the Yale Daily News, and was also initiated into Skull and Bones in 1985.

Mnuchin's first job was as a trainee at investment bank Salomon Brothers in the early 1980s, while still studying at Yale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Ross

His faculty adviser at Yale helped him get his first summer job on Wall Street. In 1961, he received a Master of Business Administration degree at Harvard Business School.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanka_Trump

After graduating from Choate in 2000, she attended Georgetown University for two years before transferring to the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, from which she graduated cum laude with a bachelor's degree in economics in 2004. Her father had also transferred to Wharton after two years at another institution, Fordham University.

unblock

(52,205 posts)
7. gosh, i'm an economist, too, who knew! and a public health expert as well, i guess!
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:53 PM
Apr 2020

i mean, hell, i was an emt for a while, and hey, i slept at a holiday inn express, so i guess i'm qualified to be on this committee!


seriously, though, when it comes to public policy, an undergraduate econ degree, or even an mba, is nothing. wall street/finance experience is worth something, though really that's finance, not economics.

in any event, i'll accept that the point was slightly overstated, but it is nevertheless a horrendous committee lineup.


mahatmakanejeeves

(57,420 posts)
12. If Justin Wolfe meant, "no PhD, not teaching economics, means not an economist" then okay, they
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

aren't economists.

As mr_lebowski says in another reply, what's worse is that there is no one there with any knowledge of public health.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. They may have degrees ... but have any of them made their professional living as economists?
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:57 PM
Apr 2020

I don't know either way, but I'm guessing not.

The lack of any Public Health professionals is far more alarming to me in either case.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
18. Super . . .
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:41 PM
Apr 2020

So:

Mnuchin got a undergraduate economics degree during Reagan's second term;

Princess Grifty Sof-Tone floated in from Choate for her "studies";

Ross got an MBA personally signed by Amenhotep the III.

Good to know.

love_katz

(2,579 posts)
27. Bwhahahaha!
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:51 AM
Apr 2020

... "personally signed by Amenhotep the III"! Thank you for the giving me hysterical laughter. I needed that so bad.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
19. Most people do not think that having a Bachelor's degree in economics makes one an economist.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:42 PM
Apr 2020

Furthermore, having an MBA in no way makes one an economist. AOC has a bachelor's degree in economics. Would most people consider her an economist? Furthermore, a number of so-called Economists are terrible. Anyone who puts Milton Friedman, anyone who believes in the Chicago School of Economics, the Austrian School of Economics, Supply Side Economics, or anyone in favor of MMT ahead of Keynesian Economics doesn't really have a leg to stand on. They might as well be called Witch Doctors.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,420 posts)
21. I'm going to disagree with you on that.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:46 PM
Apr 2020

Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I took an economics course from someone who was recommended by Milton Friedman for his position. He was a brilliant person, and I consider myself privileged to have taken his course.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
24. Saying that Milton Friedman recommended someone good does not dispute that Milton Friedman is an
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:11 PM
Apr 2020

idiot when it comes to economics. From Wikipedia:

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman|]

With George Stigler and others, Friedman was among the intellectual leaders of the Chicago school of economics, a neoclassical school of economic thought associated with the work of the faculty at the University of Chicago that rejected Keynesianism in favor of monetarism until the mid-1970s, when it turned to new classical macroeconomics heavily based on the concept of rational expectations.


If someone wants to argue that Monetarism or new classical macroeconomics can be a useful tool, then fine. If, however, you reject Keynesian Economics in favor of either Monetarism or New Classical Macroeconomics, then you are a fool.

Here's one of the many examples of what a complete and utter fool Friedman was.

[link:https://m.signalvnoise.com/milton-friedman-on-the-four-ways-you-can-spend-money/|]

Milton Friedman on the four ways you can spend money

1. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money.

2. You can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost.

3. I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch!

4. I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get.

Milton Friedman always had a political agenda. He wanted people to think that government spending was bad and that higher taxes were bad. So, as in the above example, he sometimes gave ridiculous lists. Here is the reality:

1. People are stupid with their own money all of the time. His assertion that people are especially careful with their own money is nonsense. Las Vegas was built on people being stupid with their own money. Loan sharks and check cashing centers depend upon people being stupid with their own money. Bar owners, strip club owners, pimps, and drug dealers depend upon people being stupid with their own money. The list goes on and on.

2. I have always been more careful when I spend money on someone else than myself. If I buy a gift for myself and it turns out badly, oh well. However, what happens if I spend a lot of money on something really stupid and of poor quality for my girlfriend or wife? Things are much worse then.

3. Whenever I have spent someone else's money on myself, I am extra careful. If someone says, "I'm buying lunch" and I order an expensive lunch, they might feel taken advantage of, and I might lose the friendship. At the very least, my friend may not offer to buy me lunch again. In Friedman's attempt to say that the government should not have money to spend, he defies common sense and logic.

4. This is Friedman at his worst. When I was a store manager of a chain of retail stores, I had to decide how much to pay people when I hired them, and how big a raise to give them. If I spent too much on employees, it would kill my budget and it would lessen my store profit. I don't know what world Milton Friedman pretends to live in, but it is not the real world.

To read Friedman is to find him twisting logic and defying the real world over and over again in order to try to distort the real world in order to fit his agenda. You might have liked the economist that Friedman recommended, but Milton Friedman often talks out of his buttocks.

Varaddem

(432 posts)
29. Greg Palast's
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:30 AM
Apr 2020

Doesn’t mince many words when it comes to Milton Friedman and supply side.
Twisted logic is a good description. If it’s so perfect why has it Totally imploded twice in 12 years?

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
11. At least to represent Gucci and Yves St Laurent economic recovery plans
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:00 PM
Apr 2020

if not the Hooker, who else?

unblock

(52,205 posts)
5. we're so far gone that it's hardly worth mentioning that there are two family members here
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:45 PM
Apr 2020

and their married to each other.


remember when everything related to the entire russia investigation was tainted because two of the fbi people were involved with each other? but having a couple here is no problem....


remember when biden's son getting a job in the private sector in a different country on a different continent was a huge scandal? but donnie putting not one but two family members on this committee is no problem at all....


blm

(113,047 posts)
6. Geez - they sure used a younger photo of Lighthizer. Isn't he like
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:51 PM
Apr 2020

In his 70s by now? He served in Reagan administration, iirc.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Huh, no Ike Perlmutter? He was qualified somehow to write policy for the VA
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:55 PM
Apr 2020

From Mar a Lago ... would've figured he'd make the cut.

PSPS

(13,593 posts)
13. There's an idea
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:13 PM
Apr 2020

All the sycophants that appear with trump (these included) should wear a sweater emblazoned with "TRUMP" and be carrying a paper megaphone similarly adorned.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. Not exactly a Team of Rivals
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 04:56 PM
Apr 2020

Well, except in seeing who can agree the hardest with whatever Trump's saying right this second.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
23. Luckily there are enough scared folks out there to keep staying home and cause
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 05:07 PM
Apr 2020

serious damage to the economy that whoever these people tell to go back out in the economy won't do much good. The people that do go back out in the economy will keep passing COVID around until November so that Trump will lose the election.

Looks like a win/win group for us!

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
25. Nepotism Barbie and her gaggle of soy boys & cuckolded old men
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 12:27 AM
Apr 2020

Yet Republicans, self-proclaimed conservatives and rightwingers are cheering this on all they way.

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