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Since this pops up from time to time, I thought I'd make an OP to address the persistent dumb idea that merely because a death certificate does not say "covid-19" on it, that a wide ranging cross-country conspiracy of doctors and state vital statistics offices will manage to "cover up" excess deaths.
The reason we know how many people were killed by, for example, Hurricane Maria, is because we know, within a very tight range, how many people die from all causes on a regular basis.
Anyone familiar with Blue Oyster Cult's, "Don't Fear the Reaper" is a little out of date, since the current figure is around 150,000 deaths per day from all causes worldwide.
If something unusual is killing a lot of people, you can't actually hide that, regardless of what you put on a death certificate.
It is a simple matter to plot, for any given period of time, the measured number of deaths from all causes, and to compare that measured number to averages for the same time period in previous years.
For example, here is what it looks like for London, UK:
It's pretty easy to see that, as a rough approximation, about 1500 more people died in London in the first week of April than would normally happen.
Here is a plot of mortality for all of England for the last several years, showing expected and actual results:
This is a different visualization of England and Wales:
Sure, some causes, like auto accidents, are reduced right now, but that doesn't really have much impact on the overall picture for, say, New York City:
So you can easily see that there is a substantial spike in deaths in NYC well beyond any confirmed figure of "covid-19 deaths" that simply can't be "hidden", even if someone in NYC was inclined to do so.
This plot, from the Netherlands, is a good one to consider. It shows overall recent excess mortality (registered deaths - expected deaths) in different age groups, compared to deaths identified as 'covid-19' deaths:
From that sort of data, the undercount of officially-identified covid-19 deaths can be readily worked out with reasonable accuracy, since there are not too many other things causing substantial senior deaths (other than a chunk of them which might be attributable to various medical facilities or procedures being difficult to obtain at the moment).
gibraltar72
(7,502 posts)stopdiggin
(11,295 posts)mopinko
(70,076 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I know some places.
mopinko
(70,076 posts)i have a bobcat and everything.
but for normal people...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Say, Sunday around 2AM?
I'll send you a PM
mopinko
(70,076 posts)imma bit short of cash in all this....
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I just got a check signed by Donald Trump, and I'm not even a porn star!
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)They say that suicides, car accidents, and heart attacks are being recorded as "Covid-19", to gain $39,000 reimbursement for each such death.
However, excess deaths from all causes do not lie.
overblown - CV has been in Calif since fall. Also, the death tally
radically overstated, with bounties being paid for CV victims in order
to recover federal reimbursement funding.
are from something else that youd have to explain. Again, the typical
average 150 deaths per day becoming 600+ isnt just a paperwork
shuffling issue.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)I just don't find the numbers coming out of Texas believable.
marlakay
(11,448 posts)She is so careful she is getting all food curbside. Her husband is military they live off base but she is worried he could be getting exposed even though he is officer with desk job working directly for general. She sewed masks for both him and general.
Nay
(12,051 posts)in charge, is the stats number the one that gets widely reported? Or do they just count the deaths in the state-reported statistics counting who died of the virus and use that (lower) number?
I realize that trying to explain the above graphs to dipshit is impossible, so who gives him the number and what is that number based on?
(Sorry, I don't watch the guy.)