I never could stand Dr. Oz...

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Link to tweet

That averages out to about 1.52M deaths if you lowball it at 2%.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. There are 76 million students in this country?

(edited, in light of replies}

I had no idea there were that many.

[SeattleVet]

8. Yes.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/school-enrollment.html

From Kindergarten through University.

K-12 is approximately 56 million.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. Yep

The number of people enrolled in school in the United States reached 76.8 million in 2018 according to the U.S. Census Bureau. But I'm pretty sure that number includes both public and private schools and college enrollment as well.

[tecelote]

36. That would be 100 kids from my school district.

[gibraltar72]

2. A.M.A. should lift his license if he has one.

[yardwork]

60. "Dr. Phil" doesn't have a license either.

[vercetti2021]

3. This is goes to show you can buy your PhD online

Is it hard to purchase a fake one and pretend you're a doctor even though you're a complete dumbass

[Olafjoy]

4. 1000% right. REVOKE HIS LICENSE.

[Cha]

5. Or they could stay home untill it's safe while

learning online.

What a heartless thing to say.. and how does he know?

[MontanaMama]

41. That's where my kid is going to stay. At home.

That said...online learning is kicking my ass. Google Classroom leaves a lot to be desired. Off topic but that’s where I am. Maybe Dr. Oz doesn’t care about kids because his are all grown? Regardless what a damned jerk.

[Efilroft Sul]

43. Everything you said is true.

[DenverJared]

65. Oz is a quack

I wouldn't take my enemie's dog to him for medical advice.

[procon]

6. He has always made me suspicious because he

comes across as a quack. Something about him just lights up my warning alarms. He's always peddling something freaky, a miracle cure, a new patent medicine, and it amazes me that these multibillion dollar broadcast corps still hire hire that snake oil salesman.

[Skittles]

11. same

and the fact that he is talking to Sean H, preaching more garbage, pretty much says it all

[Amishman]

14. he usually as financial ties to the BS he peddles

He deserves to be penniless and ridiculed everywhere he goes.

[yardwork]

61. Oz is a quack. Your suspicions are correct.

[OhZone]

7. Worst OZ Evarrrr!

[marble falls]

20. Something he's made us say a lot. But no doubt, this IS the worst.

[OhZone]

50. I was actually making a comment about people and things called OZ!

He's the worst OZ.

The Wizard of Oz is good
Me, O.Z. is good. Also those are my initials irl. (well the O is my middle name but I go by that!)
Ozzie Ozborne is good. Well better than that OZ. Ha.
A lot of people like that OZ show.
A lot of people like "The OZ principle" book.

But Dr OZ is the worst OZ!

Ha

[marble falls]

51. I was referring to Dr Oz also. He's been the worst before but this is the worstest ever.

[Walleye]

9. What have they got against testing?!!

[blueinredohio]

33. My thoughts exactly

[lame54]

56. He can be the teacher

[TreasonousBastard]

12. "...a tradeoff some folks might consider..." Yeah...

ancient Spartans, modern Nazis.

Not anyone you would actually like to meet.

[Stuart G]

15. If Dr. Oz really said this..he is done. He will lose his reputation and his followers.

Only 2 to 3 %?...Is Dr. Oz really that stupid?

[RussBLib]

18. isn't he a regular on Fox?

that pretty much blows his rep right there

he didn't say HE would accept a 2-3% mortality rate, but that "some people" might consider it.

Well, duh, don't you want 97 to 98% of children to survive?

[KayF]

16. appetizing?

[marble falls]

17. When he swore "to do no harm" he thought it was regarding earning his income.

[SidDithers]

19. America's quack...

And to think there were DUers who promoted him, even calling him a “good liberal doctor”, even though he was a max donor to Republicans.

Sid

[Brainfodder]

21. Thought he was already infamous for pushing quackery for $ on his show?

Diet products especially?

[mopinko]

22. i wonder how many rubles he takes to spew this shit.

[Gothmog]

23. Dr. Oz is a bad doctor

I have never paid attention to this idiot

[RelativelyJones]

24. I don't like Oz either, but as Sanjay Gupta just explained, he was likely referring to the 60,000

potential deaths from Covid-19, not the overall population of students.

[Celerity]

26. thank you I'm not watching anything atm, and just did a longish post about this error the Tweet made

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13298223

[Celerity]

25. it is not what the tweeter and some people here are thinking, the 2 to 4% increase

in lethality is for the total death count (and also NOT 2 to 4% of the entire country's population) for the entire country. Lets say 100,000 end up dying nationwide in the USA. The study said that that would increase by 2 to 4% (OZ said 3% which is incorrect), meaning 102,000 to 104,000 total deaths in the whole country (versus 100,000)

People trying to figure out how many schoolchildren there are and then thinking 2 to 3% of THAT number will die are way off. If that was the case, the adult lethality would be INSANE, 25%, 35% maybe.

Schoolchildren will never remotely approach a 2 to 3% mortality rate with this virus. BUT, they will be 'superspreaders'. That is why Sweden (insanely in my opinion) is keeping all the under high school level schools open. They want all the kids to get the virus and thus greatly aid in achieving herd immunity. There have been extremely few cases of schoolchildren deaths here in Sweden (again almost all our schools under high school level have been open the whole time), other than ones with massive pre-existing health issues.

Again

the study does NOT say 2 to 4 % of the total schoolchildren NOR 2 to 4% of the total population as a whole will die in addition to who already will die.

It says the actual final death count will increase 2% to 4 %

this entire confusion is the tweet's fault, as they made a massive blunder in their language/framing of the entire thing (the tweet thread makes me weep at the lack of critical thinking skills)


and please


very important caveat- I AM NOT CONDONING THIS ACTION, I am only correcting a huge error


here is the study

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30105-X/fulltext


and here is some more context about school closures from The Guardian


'More harm than good': the case for and against closing schools during the coronavirus pandemic

Two epidemiologists discuss why schools in Australia are not yet being closed – and if it’s even needed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/more-harm-than-good-the-cases-for-and-against-closing-schools-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic#maincontent




In NYC (which did not shut the schools until a little over 3 weeks ago, when the deaths were already soaring)

as of April 14th, there have been THREE total deaths of 17 year olds and younger, out of 6,839 total deaths up to that day

The day they closed the schools there were already over 13,000 cases and 125 deaths (plus all the ones not labelled COVID at that point as testing was scarce as hell) in just the city proper, and remember COVID-19 has up to a 3 week incubation period.

[RelativelyJones]

27. +1 Thanks. Important to get the facts straight.

[Celerity]

29. I am just glad that someone in media is correcting this, I am just a wee poster on a chatboard

cheers

[honest.abe]

28. Dr Charlatan.

[llmart]

30. Ever since he started that TV show his reputation has gone downhill fast.

Didn't he used to be a heart surgeon at one time? The few times that I've seen his show I couldn't believe some of the stupid things he promoted or how condescending he was to women AND how women would flock to his show and act like he was the best thing since sliced bread. He's a quack who sold his soul for money and fame. Calling him a quack is the nicest word I could think of. The fact that Trump appointed him to a position is enough for me to say he's just another money grubbing ass.

I wouldn't listen to a word of his advice.

[tenderfoot]

31. I'm confused by what anyone sees in Oprah...

she has foisted so many frauds unto the public.

Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, Suze Orman, Joel Osteen, fuckin' James Frey.

I've come to believe that most on-air personalities wouldn't be there if they were actually helping rather than selling products.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/09/oprah-winfrey-neoliberal-capitalist-thinkers

[spanone]

32. The Joel Osteen of Medicine...

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[ashredux]

34. Damn...it's true....Money IS the root of all evil

The man is dangerous.....

[Bengus81]

35. Saying you could live with 2-3% of children returning to school dying........

That POS should be off TV today. He could get a new job being on FOX full time and preach that shit and let Trump magots be his only viewers.

[Celerity]

42. he never said that, I am just shocked at the lack of critical thinking here and on Twitter

here is a detailed debunking I did

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213297826#post25


and per another poster, Dr. Sanjay Gupta debunked this as well on CNN

[Bengus81]

54. Gupta saying "I think that's what he meant" is debunking it?

Whatever,it was one of the most asinine statements out of a so called "doctor" and of course that phony OZ was spewing it on FOX. That kind of shit talk of a "trade off" is something that would come out of the mouth of Trump.

Go ahead and open schools up on Monday, let's see how many would send their kids back and risk infection or death for 45 days left in the school year. Oh wait I forgot,CV only affects older people.

[Bengus81]

55. Dumb ass OZ now apologising for his stupid remarks,guess he did say that eh??

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr-oz-slammed-for-suggesting-it-may-only-cost-us-2-to-3-of-american-lives-to-reopen-schools-2020-04-16

[Celerity]

57. fail

I already posted the study he used

you cannot just make shit up and claim you are right

I refuse to give in to non-logic

the study says a 2 to 4% increase in the total number of fatalities

NOT 2 to 4% of the total population

ie, if you have 100,000 deaths, then it shows an increase to between 102,000 and 104,000

use basic logic

if it was even 2% of the total population that would mean (for the US) an increase of 6.6 MILLION deaths, a number we will never approach, even remotely, overall, let alone an increase

and schoolchildren (as I have already shown, have an extraordinarily low death rate from COVID-19




ffs

people do not use basic critical thinking skills

sad

[Bengus81]

58. Don't care about your number chart,it's about what the IDIOT said.......

Of course you go back 3-4 weeks ago and many like Trump were claiming the young would never be infected,if they were it was mild. Now you have them dying but hell,let's open schools back up--Dr. Oz claims he can live with those numbers as a "trade off".

But stick to your theory and "critical thinking" because DU and even CNN repeatedly have stories about that nonsense statement that snake oil salesman and huckster Dr. Oz said and they agree with my post.

Now bonehead Dr. Phil and Drew Pensky are running around making similar stupid statements about 365,000 dying from drowning per year so the CV is nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/media/doctors-oz-phil-drew-fox-news/index.html

[Whiskeytide]

63. Did you even read the article at ...

... the link YOU provided in post 55? It actually illustrates that you are mistaken. Saying “well, he’s a dick anyway” doesn’t make getting the facts wrong ok.

You should apologize to Celerity.

[iluvtennis]

37. Dr Oz can send his kids to school. I will be keeping mine home until the schools test all of

the kids, teachers, staff and certify the environment is safe.

[cab67]

38. Quoth John Oliver -

"Dr Oz" should be retitled "Check this shit out with some guy named Mehmet."

[qallunat]

39. His credentials are legit...

...so he doesn't even have ignorance as a defence.

He is just a cold-hearted malignant, greedy opportunist! His Senate testimony speaks for itself.

[keithbvadu2]

40. Go to any big church Sunday school class(es) and pick any two per hundred that you are ok with assig

OK, Dr Oz,

Go to any big church Sunday school class(es) and pick any two per hundred that you are ok with assigning death.

Make sure that the congregation agrees first.

[MontanaMama]

44. So now they've gone from

it’s okay to sacrifice grandma for the stock market to it’s okay to sacrifice your child to open up the economy. No words. Other than Fuck Dr. Oz....I’m comfortable with those words.

[The Nurse]

45. covid 19

Isn't it interesting that the pro life conservatives are in such a hurry to reopen the country so more can die. Perhaps they werent' prolife after all.

[Rebl2]

48. I think they

hope more will die, but that will include many of their conservative supporters.

[NRaleighLiberal]

52. they are a cult whose only concern is themselves. deplorables.

[yardwork]

62. They have contempt for science and education.

[txwhitedove]

46. We live north of Houston, same county but different school district which shut down

March 11-12 and is still closed. If not, we would have a much higher infection rate. Got a call from the school Monday that the lunch lady handing out free lunches last week for kids at the local school, is Covid positive. Good teachable moment for kid that the only time she went out without mask or gloves was on her run mid morning, to the school. Damn.

[Rebl2]

47. Okay doc oz

You send your kids and grandchildren first. We’ll see how that goes. I’ve NEVER understood his appeal and questionable medical advice.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

49. I substitute teach at a middle school with about 800 students.

I would hate to pick which 24 should be sacrificed so Dr. Oz's portfolio will increase in value.

#RightToLifeMeansAllLives

[smirkymonkey]

53. Not only will those kids die, but they will go back home and infect their families.

What kind of fucking doctor is this? Does he not realize that these children will still be contagious even if they survive? What the hell is wrong with him? I swear, I feel like I am living in the fucking Twilight Zone right now. This is madness.

[yardwork]

59. Oz is a charlatan. Oprah promotes junk science.

[zonkers]

64. Oz & Beavis.... seperated at birth?