Report on deaths & cases in U.S..Horrific numbers, so sad,...Warning: Horrific!!

[Stuart G]

...cases...710,000

...deaths....39,000

.recovered..60,000

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Bleacher Creature]

1. What does "recovered" refer to??

I've never really understood why the numbers don't add up.

And yes, those are absolutely horrific numbers.

[OnlinePoker]

2. Recovered are those people who no longer test positive for the virus

Active Cases 612,353
Recovered 60,510
Deceased 37,158
Total Cases 710,021

Numbers as of the time I'm typing.

[greyl]

8. Not quite so:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/about/#definitions

[Crunchy Frog]

3. It's people who had a confirmed case and have now recovered.

The Active Case number is the Total Cases minus Total Deaths and Total Recovered.

I believe that they may now be adding probable but not confirmed cases to the Total Deaths numbers, since many people are dying before they can be tested, either at home or in nursing homes.

[Alex4Martinez]

5. Recovered hospitalized then released, fewer than "total cases"

Is what I think this means.

There are a lot of cases, not all are hospitalized.

Or, all the cases include hospitalizations and most are still there, recovered are released, deceased are no longer with us.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. No.

Recovered are those with confirmed cases who are no longer testing positive, or have been symtom free for a certain length of time.

When Chris Cuomo no longer tests positive, he will be added to the Recovered number in spite of never having been hospitalized.

[greyl]

7. Here's how that site defines it, and it doesn't mean "tested negative."

Recoveries = this statistic is highly imperfect, because reporting can be missing, incomplete, incorrect, based on different definitions, or dated (or a combination of all of these) for many governments, both at the local and national level, sometimes with differences between states within the same country or counties within the same state.

WHO recommends following the criteria of [symptoms resolve + 2 negative tests within 24 hours] or [symptoms resolve + additional 14 days], but this is only a recommendation. In some countries, when a patient is discharged from the hospital it is counted as "recovered" even if no test is performed.

Some health officials now consider anyone who was diagnosed with COVID-19 three or more weeks ago and has not died to be recovered from the disease. In view of this, "Active Cases" and "Closed Cases Outcome" which both depend on the number of recoveries (in addition to an accurate death count and a satisfactory rate of case detection, both of which are lacking in the vast majority of countries) can be affected by this inherent flaw for many countries and for the total worldwide count.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/about/#definitions

[Pisces]

6. There are way more cases. My friend just got an antibody

Test and tested positive for Corona antibodies. She was very sick but never went to the hospital and never got the corona test.

[Ms. Toad]

13. Under the new CDC guidance (as of last Friday), your friend is now a case

and should be in the statistics. (So she is part of the erratic jumps until the "new" cases get re-classified under the correct day.)

[Pisces]

15. Thanks for the info, I'll pass it on.

[Ms. Toad]

16. The CDC hid their announcement for several days.

They changed their website sometime yesteray to reflect the change in diagnostic criteria. I only learned of Monday because DeWine read part of it in the daily briefing.

worldometers has a good explanation here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

[Blue_true]

9. Does anyone track the number of hospitalizations?

It seems that the number of people needing hospitalization is a better indicator of what is coming at us in terms of the number of people that will die.

Maybe all of this is Fate's way of getting rid of leaders like Trump and making sure that one won't get elected again for a long time. It took 92 years, approximately, for someone (Trump) as bad as Hoover to be elected President. Hopefully the modern Republican Party dies a fast and painful death before we risk getting another repugh into the office of the Presidency.

[Cal Carpenter]

11. That would miss the many who die at home

NYC, for example, added hundreds to their death total recently based on bodies that were removed from homes.

[Blue_true]

12. It is really sad when people die alone. Even worse when they die alone at home, knowing they are

sick but unable to get care because they didn't meet an illness criteria.

[FreeState]

14. Yes - link

https://covidtracking.com/api

This has various numbers from hospitalization to ventilators.


Spreadsheet: https://covidtracking.com/api/us/daily.csv

[Blue_true]

17. Look like everything has stabilized at high numbers. nt

[LeftInTX]

20. Bexar County does

Reports:
Cases
Deaths
Recoveries
Hospitalizations
On Ventilators

[Blue_true]

10. We are at a 5.5% death rate. The World is at a 6.8% death rate.

We were at around 2% last week. We have a lot more problems ahead of us. My guess is we exceed the World's death rate by a large amount.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. That can also be a testing artifact.

If only the sickest get tested, then the fatality rate will be higher.

[Blue_true]

21. The CDC has said that somewhere around 40% of people tested do not show symptoms,

that would imply that not just the sickest are being tested in the USA. All indications appear to be that we will have the largest number of dead per capital of any country in the world, by a large margin, when it is all said and done.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Asymptomatic people are not getting tested in this country in any statistically significant numbers.

There have been a few exceptional situations where every member of a large group was tested, such as cruise ship passengers, Navy ship crew, basketball teams, and sometimes close contacts of infected, symptomatic people. It's difficult to get tested even if you have symptoms in most of the country, and in some areas, especially the hardest hit ones, it's difficult to get tested unless you are actually hospitalized.

Much of the CDC data has come from other countries that have employed much more widespread testing, and different testing strategies. The vast majority of the counted, positive cases in this country are not asymptomatic. Our country simply doesn't have the testing resources to to use on hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic people.

[Blue_true]

23. The CDC would have had to test enough asymptomatic people to have condidence in saying

that a very large number of Americans don't become ill enough to be designated for a covid19 test at a hospital or sanctioned lab. If you look at numbers, far more people that get tested test negative for the virus, something approaching 2.5 million Americans have been tested, around 800,000 tested positive and of that number, a fraction were ill enough to require hospitalization, the rest of the positive tests were asymptomatic or not sick enough to warrant a hospital bed being used.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. Asymptomatic does not equal not sick enough for a hospital bed.

It's expected that a significant percentage of people tested will be negative, because there are so many other respiratory illnesses going around and there is a lot of overlap in symptoms. The overwhelming majority of people testing negative in this country are sick with something, even if it's not Covid-19. This country simply doesn't have the resources to test large numbers of people who aren't sick, and it never has. There has been a major shortage of tests from the very beginning in this country.

If you can find any info about large numbers of people with no symptoms getting tested in this country, I'd like to see it. And I'm not talking about the cruise ships, or Navy ship, or sports teams. Those numbers are a drop in the bucket.

[Blue_true]

25. The 800,000 plus positives are all versions of people that have the virus,

including asymptomatic. The 1.7 million or so that tested negative is simply another group entirely. A person can't die from something that he or she doesn't have.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. I can't even figure out what you're trying to say in this post.

I stand by my statement that people in this country are not getting tested, and therefore not testing positive, unless they have symptoms, with a small number of exceptions that are statistically insignificant.

[Blue_true]

28. 2.5 million plus have been tested, 800,000 plus were found to be infected.

Of the 800,000 plus, over 40,000 have died. You initial claim was that only the sickest are getting tested, that clearly is not correct, far more negative people than infected people have been tested.

Now if you want to say that not enough people have been or will be tested, I completely agree with that point, but that is not the point that you made, your point seemed to have originally been that of the people that have been tested, only the sickest have been tested, as I pointed out, that is demonstrably incorrect.

[Crunchy Frog]

29. Let me clarify on that. In the worst hit areas with the largest numbers of positives,

such as the NYC area, there have actually been policies in place to not test anyone for whom the results would not impact treatment, effectively limiting it to mostly people needing hospitalization.

In many other parts of the country that are not as hard hit, there are still severe shortages of testing materials that make it very difficult for most people with symptoms to get tested.

This situation is not universal throughout the country. In my county in Central New York, we are fortunate to have readily available testing. People here who develop symptoms and are worried that it might be coronavirus are able to get tested. Coincidentally, our fatality rate is much lower than that for the state overall. They're still not testing any asymptomatic hypochondriac who shows up.

I think we have likely exhausted the usefulness of this discussion, and I won't be replying anymore. You can get the last word in if you wish.

[Blue_true]

30. You are right. I think we are at loggerheads, no reason to drag it out. Have a great time in what

is left of a lockdown weekend.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. I'll drink to that.

[malaise]

27. It will get worst

i actually thought it would have passed 60,000 by now - will be over 40,000 by tonight