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TheBlackAdder

(28,179 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 10:53 AM Apr 2020

Shake Shack Returns Its $10M PPP Loan: Finally, a company that does the right thing in the end.

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BREAKING: Shake Shack announces it's returning its $10 million government loan meant for small businesses struggling in the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic






I'm not sure how it received the money in the first place, but the ending was the right thing to do.

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Shake Shack Returns Its $10M PPP Loan: Finally, a company that does the right thing in the end. (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Apr 2020 OP
Yes, I just read this in the NYT frazzled Apr 2020 #1
They're forgivable loans. Igel Apr 2020 #11
Yes, it will be paying its employees frazzled Apr 2020 #17
They didn't need the loan. They have a ton of cash on hand. sir pball Apr 2020 #22
I too would like to know Andy823 Apr 2020 #2
Because the program is being run through the banks gratuitous Apr 2020 #8
Ruth's Chris Steak House got 20 million in PPP loans. MontanaMama Apr 2020 #16
But they do have Turbineguy Apr 2020 #20
There is a provision in the PPP that exempts restaurants & hotels from the 500 employee limit ... Progressive Law Apr 2020 #19
I love Shake Shack! Wish there was one here. Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #3
"I'm not sure how it received the money in the first place" DrToast Apr 2020 #4
Well, that's one... Cirque du So-What Apr 2020 #5
The Mormons? underpants Apr 2020 #10
$54M! Cirque du So-What Apr 2020 #14
Payroll's payroll. Igel Apr 2020 #13
Both Shack and Ruth's have enough cash for payroll sir pball Apr 2020 #23
So what? It's not like the money is going to be re-lent jberryhill Apr 2020 #6
underpants Apr 2020 #9
I'm sorry but BS. They manipulated the system knowingly. Ruth Chris ain't giving it back underpants Apr 2020 #7
That wasn't rich people doing it, the points return is peanuts to a "rich person".... cbdo2007 Apr 2020 #15
Ok. underpants Apr 2020 #18
Great matt819 Apr 2020 #12
Shake Shack returns 10 million dollars ... quickesst Apr 2020 #21

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. Yes, I just read this in the NYT
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

And I applaud them for this gesture toward smaller restaurants who need it more. Given that these are loans, many more large concerns could do the same by finding alternative private sector lenders, releasing the government loan funds to smaller concerns.

I'm not a huge fan of Shake Shack in terms of the food (the hamburgers are okay, the fries kinda meh, and the shakes undrinkable), but I will patronize them if I ever get out of this quarantine.

Igel

(35,293 posts)
11. They're forgivable loans.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:13 AM
Apr 2020

You get the money. It's a loan.

Meet the requirements and when it's due it's promptly converted into a grant. That requirement is that 90% of it goes towards payroll. Shake Shack's bailing on the program means it won't be handing out $9 million in payroll to its employees--perhaps that means they're paying their workers anyway, perhaps it means they're just laying them off.


There's a separate SBA loan program that's just loan.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
17. Yes, it will be paying its employees
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:33 AM
Apr 2020

It did have to lay off approximately 25% of its 8,000 employees of the Union Square Hospitality Group (of which Shake Shack is only a part), but because its high end, full-service restaurants (like Union Square Cafe and Grammercy Tavern, among others) are mostly located in NYC, they would be hard pressed to hire back everyone by the June 1 deadline. The Shake Shack operations are still going, so one assumes that most of their employees are still working the take-out and delivery business. Both for humanitarian as well as practical interest, they secured an "equity transaction in the public markets." Danny Meyers from their website (read the whole thing at link):

... The immediate drop in business due to the virus had caused the company to face operating losses of over $1.5 million each week, simply by keeping our doors open with the goal of paying our people and feeding our communities. Our teams have been heroic, pivoting our business to a new curbside pickup and delivery model, while keeping our teams and guests at a safe distance.

For Union Square Hospitality Group, the decision as to whether or not to apply for PPP loans was more complicated. All USHG restaurants closed as of March 13th, and with no revenue, the company was forced to lay off over 2000 employees. Since the PPP loans would be forgivable only if employees were hired back by June, and since most USHG restaurants are based in New York City where that timeline is unlikely achievable for full service restaurants, that application decision relied upon our conviction that one day we would be able to pay back the loan. After careful consideration, USHG opted to apply for PPP loans, taking on the risk in order to hire back laid off employees as soon as possible. Some USHG loans have been funded, and we await the day we’re able to re-open.

Late last week, when it was announced that funding for the PPP had been exhausted, businesses across the country were understandably up in arms. If this act were written for small businesses, how is it possible that so many independent restaurants whose employees needed just as much help were unable to receive funding? We now know that the first phase of the PPP was underfunded, and many who need it most, haven’t gotten any assistance.

Shake Shack was fortunate last Friday to be able to access the additional capital we needed to ensure our long term stability through an equity transaction in the public markets. We’re thankful for that and we’ve decided to immediately return the entire $10 million PPP loan we received last week to the SBA so that those restaurants who need it most can get it now.

We urge Congress to ensure that all restaurants no matter their size have equal ability to get back on their feet and hire back their teams. We are an industry of 660,000 restaurants with nearly 16 million employees. While it is heartening to see that an additional $310 billion in PPP funding is about to be approved, in order to work for restaurants, this time we need to do it better.

https://www.shakeshack.com/updates/

sir pball

(4,739 posts)
22. They didn't need the loan. They have a ton of cash on hand.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:52 PM
Apr 2020

From their April 17 8-K report: "As of April 16, 2020, we had approximately $112.0 million* in cash and marketable securities on hand…"

They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar; while they're ultimately doing the right thing returning the loan they absolutely did not need it in the first place.


* - includes the loan money, at the end of Q1 on March 25th "Cash and marketable securities at the end of the quarter totaled $104 million."

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
2. I too would like to know
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:00 AM
Apr 2020

How this could happen and how much more money is into the pockets of people who don't need it, but who WON'T return the money. I also want to know who the hell is giving the OK as to who does, and does not get the money.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Because the program is being run through the banks
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:07 AM
Apr 2020

It's the same paperwork for a $10 million loan as for a $10,000 loan, there's just a lot fewer in sheer numbers when you dole out your loan allotment to two or three applicants instead of processing two or three thousand applications.

MontanaMama

(23,297 posts)
16. Ruth's Chris Steak House got 20 million in PPP loans.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:33 AM
Apr 2020

They’re a company with 86 million in cash reserves. They’re not giving anything back...so far.

Money is loaned on a first come first serve basis. And, politically connected businesses did get a leg up...no question about that. Our long time banker said it was a shit show of the highest order...with almost no guidance from the feds or the SBA.

My husband and I have two small businesses that employ 8 people. I was able able to secure a PPP loan, thankfully, so we can keep everyone on payroll. I had payroll reports into the bank before the MF ever signed the bill into law and because of that was able to get a loan # assigned to me...the SBA application came out 3 days later...I completed and returned it electronically within an hour of receipt. We were funded within 3 days of that completion.

 

Progressive Law

(617 posts)
19. There is a provision in the PPP that exempts restaurants & hotels from the 500 employee limit ...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 12:00 PM
Apr 2020

... as long as each branch location is under 500 employees.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
4. "I'm not sure how it received the money in the first place"
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:04 AM
Apr 2020

LOL...they requested it.

It's good they're returning it, but they're doing so because they got bad press for it.

sir pball

(4,739 posts)
23. Both Shack and Ruth's have enough cash for payroll
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

$102M and $87M on hand respectively. They can pay their folks out of their own pockets just fine, planned capital gains expenditures can wait.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. So what? It's not like the money is going to be re-lent
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:06 AM
Apr 2020

They sucked that out of the pool, and other businesses are just as screwed as they were.

underpants

(182,718 posts)
7. I'm sorry but BS. They manipulated the system knowingly. Ruth Chris ain't giving it back
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:06 AM
Apr 2020

The Ruth Chris here is host to every crackpot RW meeting and retirement scam (advertised on RW radio) that there is. They too clearly weaseled their way in to take $20,000,000 as I understand it. I hear conservatives speak so glowlingly about that place I know it’s hard core republican. Typical.

This reminds of a scheme I heard of during the Obama admin. There was a program to get coin money back in rotation. You could buy up to $10K. So what did the oh so crafty already rich do? Thy bought $10k in credit cards. It was delivered to their bank. They promptly walked in and said they wanted to just deposit it. Now the bank and the Fed had this box of coins to re-transport. The buyer paid off the $10k on their card. What did they get out if it? Points (cash back or travel) on their card. And WE paid for it in some way.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
15. That wasn't rich people doing it, the points return is peanuts to a "rich person"....
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:20 AM
Apr 2020

but that scheme was all over the interwebs and you can still look up posts by hundreds of non-rich people who were doing this.

You don't have to be rich to get credit or credit cards, but some of those people have free travel for life now.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
12. Great
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 11:13 AM
Apr 2020

Why did they apply in the first place?

And I'll keep asking this one. Why are businesses with hundreds of millions in revenue and up to 500 employees considered small businesses?

And why did the Mormon Church get tens of millions when they are sitting on a not-so-secret cash fund of $100 billion?



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