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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:23 AM Apr 2020

Where does the money come from to give to everyone?

Rich or poor, Big Business or little guy, everybody gets a gift of cash.

Trillions of dollars just magically appear and everyone gets their wheelbarrows full of money.

No questions asked, No answers given.

I suppose we could go back on the gold standard? It could be valued at $1 million per ounce.

Who said money doesn't grow on trees?

Who knew that it would cost so much to bail out our failing capitalist system?

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brewens

(13,542 posts)
2. It's not real, all just data. Money is no object under Trump. It's like much of the wealth
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:29 AM
Apr 2020

at the top. We never had any free market/s and it's nothing like a meritocracy for them. They find ways to game the system to just take more of what there is without contributing anything useful to the country. The people at the bottom are asked to really earn their money, a lot less money than it should be, to make up for what the looters rake off the top.

mitch96

(13,871 posts)
3. It's called "Fiat money" ... they just print more paper
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:34 AM
Apr 2020

The trick is to be the first one to spend it before it gets devalued... Buy a "thing" or service when the dollar is worth something.. Later on the paper will be worth less and you have to spend more paper to get the same value.
That's why the big boys get paper first so they can spend it and get value first... Later on it's worth nothing.. Think Germany after ww1.. wheelbarrow full of Deutschmarks to buy a loaf of bread... Our saving grace is that the world values the American Dollar... YMMV
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Celerity

(43,124 posts)
4. Modern Monetary Theory is often ridiculed, but now it looks like we will have a 30 trillion (what
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:37 AM
Apr 2020

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the national debt may well be around a year from now, maybe more, it is already at 27 trillion (with the new 3.8 trillion dollar deficit added post COVID-19 outbreak) per multiple people on Morning Joe today) giant macro-experiment where it is somewhat put to the test.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

Modern Monetary Theory or Modern Money Theory (MMT) or Modern Monetary Theory and Practice (MMTP) is a macroeconomic theory and practice that describes the practical uses of fiat currency in a public monopoly from the issuing authority, normally the government's central bank. Effects on employment are used as evidence that a currency monopolist is overly restricting the supply of the financial assets needed to pay taxes and satisfy savings desires. MMT is an evolution of chartalism and is sometimes referred to as neo-chartalism. Its macroeconomic policy prescriptions have been described as being a version of Abba Lerner's theory of functional finance.

MMT advocates argue that the government could use fiscal policy to achieve full employment, creating new money to fund government purchases. According to advocates, the primary risk once the economy reaches full employment is inflation, which can be addressed by raising and gathering taxes and issuing bonds to reduce money and the velocity of money in the system. MMT is debated, with active dialogues about its theoretical usefulness, the clear useful real world practical applications and implications, together with the varying effectiveness of its targeted use and varying challenges of its policy prescriptions.

MMT's main tenets are that a government that issues its own fiat money:

Can pay for goods, services, and financial assets without a need to collect money in the form of taxes or debt issuance in advance of such purchases;

Cannot be forced to default on debt denominated in its own currency;

Is only limited in its money creation and purchases by inflation, which accelerates once the real resources (labour, capital and natural resources) of the economy are utilized at full employment;

Can control demand-pull inflation by taxation and bond issuance, which remove excess money from circulation (although the political will to do so may not always exist);

Does not need to compete with the private sector for scarce savings by issuing bonds.


These tenets challenge the mainstream economics view that government spending is funded by taxes and debt issuance. The first four MMT tenets do not conflict with mainstream economics understanding of how money creation and inflation works. For example, as former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan said, "The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So there is zero probability of default." However, MMT economists disagree with mainstream economics about the fifth tenet, on the impact of government deficits on interest rates.

A 2019 survey of leading economists by the University of Chicago Booth's Initiative on Global Markets showed a unanimous rejection of assertions that the survey attributes to modern monetary theory. Views have changed with the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic.

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
6. +1
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:47 AM
Apr 2020

Yes. Economist colleagues way smarter than me have been abuzz with this for years. Debt forgiveness is a piece of it too as I understand it.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
7. Mitch McConnell suggested that states file for bankruptcy.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:55 AM
Apr 2020

If states can do it, why can't countries? What happens if the US files for bankruptcy? We can put Donald Trump's name on it. That is his specialty.

Maribelle

(4,783 posts)
9. All Americans should be adamantly pro lowering the deficit for times like these.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:58 AM
Apr 2020

Trump did the opposite and greatly raised the deficit, especially by lowering taxes for the rich, to pay off his lemmings for their votes, causing republicans to adulate him for his wizardry in raising their incomes. They gave no thanks to the rest of the taxpayers for assuming the additional debt.

But the government should have been reducing the deficit in an effort to lower the debt and to insure we would have the needed leverage to support a crisis like this.

So as congress approves the increases to the deficit to fund the stimulus checks, what President Trump is not saying as he signs the checks is that it’s the middle-class Americans working today, all the first-responders, nurses and nurses assistants, food service workers, small business owners, all hard workers and future generations, who'’ll answer your question and provide the money to give to everyone, to foot most of the bill.

And because of the poor condition Trump placed the finances of the United States in just before the pandemic, we will in all probability end up in deep recession.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
12. I remember when Obama had to grovel for every penny he spent...now it's raining money
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 09:11 AM
Apr 2020

and NO ONE asks where the money is coming from

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
13. This is only a question that can asked of Democratic programs, silly
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 09:13 AM
Apr 2020

You never hear mention of debt ceilings or socialist spending programs under Republican leadership.

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