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Celerity

(43,333 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 02:53 PM Apr 2020

Dixie in the crosshairs: The South is likely to have America's highest death rate from covid-19



It has unusually unhealthy residents and few ICU beds

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/25/the-south-is-likely-to-have-americas-highest-death-rate-from-covid-19



America does not face one covid-19 crisis, but rather dozens of different ones. A few places have been walloped; others remain unscathed. So far, sars-cov-2 has claimed most of its victims in areas where it has spread the fastest. Lockdowns have geographically contained most outbreaks. However, once social distancing is relaxed, the virus will accelerate its spread, and could infect a majority of Americans. If that happens, the places it hits hardest may not be those it struck first. Instead, the vulnerability of local populations will determine its death toll in each region.

Covid-19’s true infection-fatality rate (ifr, the share of infected people who die) is unknown, because most carriers are not tested. However, testing is more common for people whose cases are bad enough to endanger their lives: in New York 67% of people with covid-19 on their death certificate had tested positive. If the share of people without grave symptoms who still get tested were similar everywhere, places with high case-fatality rates (cfrs)—the death rate among people testing positive—would be likely to have high ifrs as well.

In fact, testing practices vary widely. And given two states with the same rate of infections and deaths, one that tests only the severely ill will report a higher cfr than will one that tests more broadly. However, within any given state, testing protocols are likely to be more uniform. As a result, we have built a model to identify the traits shared by counties with cfrs far above or below their own state’s average—and predict which places not yet ravaged by the virus will suffer most if it arrives in earnest. Some factors that affect viral spread also predict the cfr. It tends to be higher in cities than in rural areas, and lower where social distancing, as measured by traffic to workplaces and transit stations, is greater. One explanation is that health-care quality drops when caseloads surge. Places with few intensive-care-unit (icu) beds also have high cfrs, bolstering this hypothesis.



However, demography is just as important. Places with older residents and more diabetes, heart disease and smoking have higher cfrs. Race and income also play a role. Counties with lots of poor or black people tend to have more health problems, less social distancing and fewer icu beds. Yet cfrs in such areas are even higher than you would expect from these factors alone. Together, these variables leave a geographic footprint. If covid-19 does infect most Americans, the highest death rates will probably not be in coastal cities—whose density is offset by young, healthy, well-off populations and good hospitals—but rather in poor, rural parts of the South and Appalachia with high rates of heart disease and diabetes. Worryingly, the three states that announced plans this week to relax their lockdowns (Georgia, Tennessee and South Carolina) are all in this region. ■
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Dixie in the crosshairs: The South is likely to have America's highest death rate from covid-19 (Original Post) Celerity Apr 2020 OP
Thanks. Newest Reality Apr 2020 #1
Mmmyeah but we have really high humidity nt Shermann Apr 2020 #2
Practically meaningless. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #3
Maybe, maybe not Shermann Apr 2020 #4
That article about INFLUENZA has shit to do with Covid-19. Very different viruses. Also, 2013. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #6
Fauci predicts the virus will fade in the summer and return in the fall Shermann Apr 2020 #7
It is proven very different. Has spikes flu doesn't. Has fat coat flu doesn't. Facts Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #8
Fact: humidity affects virus transmission Shermann Apr 2020 #10
weather.com? Seriously? Site so full of trackers and fingerprinters it comes up completely blank Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #11
I cited 8 differences, not 6. Five have everything to do with mechanisms & data on transmissibility. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #13
Nonsense? Links per your request. Shermann Apr 2020 #14
Again, both about INFLUENZA. One from 2013 and one from 2004! Get real. Not the same virus! . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #19
You convinced me Shermann Apr 2020 #22
POSSIBLE fade in summer depends more on keeping physical distancing than warm weather & humidity. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #12
Strange, I keep hearing NY state has more Covid than any COUNTRY in the world. cwydro Apr 2020 #5
California has a couple more million pop than Canada. NY State about half. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #9
I'm not sure Canada would want California lol. cwydro Apr 2020 #16
It'll take time... Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #15
Georgia is going to be a prime example of stupidity soon enough. cwydro Apr 2020 #17
Is that biscuits and gravy? Bayard Apr 2020 #18
Yes. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #20
Lets Not Look Down On Biscuits And Gravy, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #23
I grew up with it. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #24
Green Beans And Bacon Are Ambrosia, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #26
Lol! Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #27
that would be an appetiser for the lot below Celerity Apr 2020 #25
I don't like the looks of KY there Bayard Apr 2020 #21

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Thanks.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:03 PM
Apr 2020

I guess those who vote for the current Republican Regime still won't realize that THEY are not the constituents in regards to be served by those they are elected.

Rather, they are statistical groupings of disposable human resource meat who have been trained to holler and hoot and make a big ruckus about some abstract idea of freedom that does not jibe with being impoverished, wage slaves in poor health with few resources for the rest of their, (possibly short now) lives.

They hear, "Look at them over there! They are the problem!" and sure enough, they get that in their craws and are ready to protest and do whatever else they are told to by manipulative agent provocateurs and devious Republicans. Meanwhile, all the time, they are getting screwed left and right to the point that their towns are for ghosts and their future is grim. I can see anger and frustration, but if you don't have the right villains in mind, you are fighting against your own best interests, not just voting against them.

Shermann

(7,413 posts)
7. Fauci predicts the virus will fade in the summer and return in the fall
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

He didn't pull that out of his ass. It's the leading hypothesis based on established respiratory virus science.

It's not proven science yet as it relates to CV-19, but that doesn't mean we know nothing.

Your statement that CV-19 is "very different" in this regard has ventured into sounding like an assertion, presumably unsupported.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
8. It is proven very different. Has spikes flu doesn't. Has fat coat flu doesn't. Facts
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:38 PM
Apr 2020

All Fauci et al have offered about "fade in summer" is speculation about warmer temperatures based on Southern Hemisphere countries and have not factored in that they have lower rates of international travel so they got the virus later. If they had he would have mentioned it. Further much of South America and Africa have pitiful facilities for testing and diagnosis.

I can't find any speculation (let alone factual discussion) by Fauci regarding HUMIDITY. Ball is in your court if you want to try to dig your hole deeper.

But we do have a factual study by the French showing that warmer temperatures do not have much effect on the Coronavirus.

We do know about Covid-19:

It has a different, higher mortality rate.
It has a different demographic profile.
It causes long term organ damage. Flu does not.
There is hypoxia and blood clotting. Flu does not.
It has a different longer incubation period typically 5-7 days where it is infectious. Flu is shorter, 1-3 days.
It has different symptoms: dry cough, not wet. Loss of smell and taste. Flu does not.

You should know these facts but you don't know what the heck you are talking about.

Shermann

(7,413 posts)
10. Fact: humidity affects virus transmission
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:48 PM
Apr 2020

I've already cited a study from the CDC. The six differences that you googled between CV-19 and the flu do not disprove that fact. None of those facts even have anything to do with the mechanisms of virus transmission, so this is a complete fallacy.

My post was only half serious. But you are pulling the needle too far the other way.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
11. weather.com? Seriously? Site so full of trackers and fingerprinters it comes up completely blank
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:50 PM
Apr 2020

If they are citing a real study, provide the real link.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
13. I cited 8 differences, not 6. Five have everything to do with mechanisms & data on transmissibility.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:55 PM
Apr 2020

Try reading it again.

I didn't have to google those facts. I and most people know them already. You can poo-poo googling, but you should try it.

We need a lot less "half serious" spreading of nonsense. Please stop.

Shermann

(7,413 posts)
22. You convinced me
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:13 PM
Apr 2020

This hypothesis in a paywalled editorial from the Economist is certainly stronger than a peer-reviewed paper from the CDC because it was written more recently.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
5. Strange, I keep hearing NY state has more Covid than any COUNTRY in the world.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:15 PM
Apr 2020

Then I hear about CA, WA, MA,, IL

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
9. California has a couple more million pop than Canada. NY State about half.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:44 PM
Apr 2020

California, by the numbers, is doing a bit better than Canada. Canada is doing a lot better than the US.

US overall infection per thou is about 2.5 times Canada and California.

US overall death rate per million is about 3 times Canada and California.

California should leave the US and join Canada. It would fit right in. I've lived long periods in both.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
16. I'm not sure Canada would want California lol.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:59 PM
Apr 2020

What a mess this world is in.

I’m in NC, and my (red) county is under 200 cases, but I distrust these numbers because I think testing is so lacking EVERYWHERE.

Thank god we have a Dem governor; hoping he continues to make good decisions. He’s facing pressure already.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
15. It'll take time...
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 03:58 PM
Apr 2020

... given that random sampling antibody tests in New York estimate that only about 13.9% of them have been infected so far.

It’s surely a much smaller percentage in the South right now, but they seem to be in a hurry to catch up.

Obesity is one of the major risk factors.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
17. Georgia is going to be a prime example of stupidity soon enough.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:02 PM
Apr 2020

Along with Vegas.

We’ll soon see. Boggles the mind.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
20. Yes.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:08 PM
Apr 2020

They do look tasty, I must admit.

Now I’m hungry.

Edit: I was at a buffet years ago, and a couple Eastern visitors (man and woman) at the restaurant didn’t know that was gravy. The man kept ladling it, wondering what it was, until someone else told him. Lol.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
24. I grew up with it.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:22 PM
Apr 2020

Mom made great biscuits and gravy. Put bacon grease on green beans too.

Thankfully, I was extremely active as a kid. I never got “healthy” looking, the polite way of describing chubby, I guess.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
26. Green Beans And Bacon Are Ambrosia, Sir
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:25 PM
Apr 2020

I wish I could reproduce how an aunt fried sliced potatoes in bacon grease. We used it for everything. I was nine before I saw yellow scrambled eggs.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
27. Lol!
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:36 PM
Apr 2020

My parents grew up on farms in Northern KY.

Mom loved to cook, and food was always valued by her because her family was poor during the Great Depression. She described going to bed hungry a lot.

Dad’s family had money. Mom hated them as a child, seeing Dad carrying home groceries with celery sticking up from above the bag. “Celery?! They have so much money that they waste it on celery?!”

Mom obviously got over it later.

They were in their 40’s when I was born, a “pill-baby” that they didn’t expect at all.

Funerals for their cousins showed me that Mom’s cooking methods were pretty much the norm down there.

Bayard

(22,062 posts)
21. I don't like the looks of KY there
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

I'm sure the eastern part of the state will be hit hardest. But I'm always astounded at how many smokers there still are here, and how they feel free to light up on your property. They are equally astounded when I tell them to put it out.

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