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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 09:43 PM Apr 2020

Georgia is reopening this week.

And on Rachel Maddow, we see that COVID19 cases are increasing rapidly all over the state.

Who will Brian Kemp, the GOP Governor, blame?

Amazing how Kemp, who claimed he did not know about the existence of asymptomatic carriers of COVID19, feels confident in reopening his state even as cases are rapidly increasing.

Almost like mass insanity is infecting the entire GOP leadership.

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Georgia is reopening this week. (Original Post) guillaumeb Apr 2020 OP
They're Working On Their Excuse sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #1
Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #11
My family is down there. In_The_Wind Apr 2020 #2
I hope that they are taking precautions. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #12
Who knows. They're smart. I hope they are smart enough to stay home. In_The_Wind Apr 2020 #18
"Almost like mass insanity is infecting the entire GOP leadership" Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2020 #3
We've always known that they were a death cult. Initech Apr 2020 #5
+1 Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2020 #6
I disagree, in part. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #13
I saw that two sitdown restaurants in tight quarters in my hometown reopened today. Blue_true Apr 2020 #4
Are you a Georgia resident? guillaumeb Apr 2020 #14
No, north central Florida. In a republican led city. nt Blue_true Apr 2020 #22
K&R SheltieLover Apr 2020 #7
I had to restock after a little over a month, but I am locking down again. crickets Apr 2020 #8
I will be staying home. brer cat Apr 2020 #9
What was Maddow's source for the data? aikoaiko Apr 2020 #10
Maddow presented charts that showed how COVID19 is spreading in Georgia by County. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #16
That's cause he knows they're testing rate is horrible, one of the lowest in the country uponit7771 Apr 2020 #30
Well i think there are 22,491 cases so far? bluestarone Apr 2020 #15
Exactly. It is bad enough when Trump voters ignore reality, guillaumeb Apr 2020 #17
Many self-isolated before the news became even MORE scary. Hortensis Apr 2020 #19
Well said. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #20
Yes, you're right of course. But there will be more Hortensis Apr 2020 #21
I too have read the "some will die" comments. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #25
The little mofo called covid19 is something else. Blue_true Apr 2020 #23
The usual that we'd respect their wishes for themselves Hortensis Apr 2020 #24
They aren't the type to thank human beings. Blue_true Apr 2020 #26
:) I should never have left West Hollywood Hortensis Apr 2020 #27
They are perfectly fine with people that they don't know being harmed. Blue_true Apr 2020 #28
Then you don't know any, just imagine you do. Hortensis Apr 2020 #29

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
1. They're Working On Their Excuse
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 09:57 PM
Apr 2020

They still feel invulnerable. Like they always have a way out of any situation, just because they are repubs and part of the Drumpf Cult.

If the 60% of Normal People in this country can rise up, we can destroy the repubs nationwide this November. It's gonna take a massive FUCK YOU from a large enough majority, to overcome the fucking Idiots in the Red/Purple states, who will vote for their Cult Leader no matter what he does.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. Welcome to DU.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 12:04 PM
Apr 2020

Yes, the leaders of the GOP are rich, and reasonably safe.

But the followers are just as vulnerable as everyone else. One thing I see is that many of Trump's followers see this as something that will mainly affect minorities.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. I hope that they are taking precautions.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 12:05 PM
Apr 2020

This insanity of reopening as cases are rising can only end badly.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
3. "Almost like mass insanity is infecting the entire GOP leadership"
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 10:06 PM
Apr 2020

We have known that GOP was insane for a long time. It's just starting to be seen in 3d, in your face, undeniable fashion.

Initech

(100,067 posts)
5. We've always known that they were a death cult.
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 10:12 PM
Apr 2020

But now that everyone is a walking biohazard, they seem to be intent on killing us before this is over. Trump is a modern day Jim Jones and he wants his followers to drink the Kool Aid.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. I disagree, in part.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 12:06 PM
Apr 2020

We know that the GOP leadership is racist, and greedy. But even greedy racists generally have some sense of self-preservation.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. I saw that two sitdown restaurants in tight quarters in my hometown reopened today.
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 10:11 PM
Apr 2020

I have been hearing more ambulances racing around. It will be interesting to see what happens. I plan to keep doing what I am doing.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
14. Are you a Georgia resident?
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 12:08 PM
Apr 2020

In Illinois, the Trump voters are planning a May 1 reopen the state rally in Chicago.

crickets

(25,963 posts)
8. I had to restock after a little over a month, but I am locking down again.
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 10:56 PM
Apr 2020

Nothing and no one from the outside world is getting near me for the next few weeks. It's scary and so stupid, and I am worried. Too many people listen to FOX around here, and just don't know how bad it is. *sigh*

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. Maddow presented charts that showed how COVID19 is spreading in Georgia by County.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 12:10 PM
Apr 2020

And the charts covered the last few weeks. It is obvious from the charts that the virus is spreading, with numerous hot spots.

bluestarone

(16,924 posts)
15. Well i think there are 22,491 cases so far?
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020

So we'll keep watching it rise. So sorry for the dumb decision that will affect the residents!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Many self-isolated before the news became even MORE scary.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 01:57 PM
Apr 2020

Awareness that this thing does a lot more than carry off nana and popi is growing. Many survivors of all ages are left with permanent damage to vital organs.

And then there's this dreadful clotting complication that's also killing and crippling people in their 30s, 40s and 50s, not just older. One brain surgeon watched new clots form in real time as he tried to remove the one he went in for. Some didn't know they had COVID until stroke or other dreadful consequence hit. We still have to find out, for those who recover enough to have a life, if that goes away or becomes chronic/recurrent.

So fooling even those eager to be fooled is getting much harder, and I suspect a lot of the businesses trying to open now may not be able to meet basic expenses and have to close again.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. Well said.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 02:02 PM
Apr 2020

But fooling Trump voters is made easier when Trump voters depend on Fox, and Trump, for their information. I fear that many of these Trump voters will not truly understand what is happening unless it happens to them, or a close relative.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Yes, you're right of course. But there will be more
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

accounts spreading through friends. Three degrees of separation is going to be nothing when it's someone their age bringing their grown son to live with them because he can no longer talk or care for himself.

I was just checking an RVers site to see what was being said about traveling now and self-isolating on the road and campgrounds. Lots of good sense and responsibility, but still too much of the other. Just today a news-bubble-dweller posted this below, full of misinformation and cluelessness, but overall his fellow forumers are the kind of older crowd who started taking it seriously early on and have been responding to these posters with information.

"We have a trip to the Great Smoky Mountains planned for June 1st for 1 week with family. We all plan to essentially quarantine for 2 weeks beforehand if things don't improve. But I believe we're going to see something firm up in a positive way on the Hydroxychloroquine Protocol front. If there is a treatment, who cares about the vaccine and the fact that some will die - just like the thousands that die of the flu every year. There may never be a vaccine, just like there is no vaccine for the common cold, which can be caused by a coronovirus."


I wouldn't be betting anything that everyone in that family planning to meet up now will a month from now.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
25. I too have read the "some will die" comments.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

And implicit in this pathetic rationalization is that the person commenting will not be one of that unnamed "some" who will die.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. The little mofo called covid19 is something else.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:27 PM
Apr 2020

Let the MAGATS play Russian roulette with it, we can use fewer of them anyway.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. The usual that we'd respect their wishes for themselves
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 03:57 PM
Apr 2020

if only that didn't require letting them impose them on us too.

Our history is of one long struggle to save us all from them, and never a word of thanks.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. They aren't the type to thank human beings.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 04:12 PM
Apr 2020

I honestly believe that when they see another person, their first thought is how much of a mark that person is. They are devoid of empathy, so I waste none on them, if covid19 could take every single one of them out without harming any innocents, I would be perfectly ok with that outcome -but, of course, life doesn't work in such a surgical way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. :) I should never have left West Hollywood
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 04:27 PM
Apr 2020

because it suited me, and because it's been our fate to live in conservative areas ever since (not intentionally). But it means the conservatives you're thinking of are people to me. Ones with their faults used and magnified by evil-doing leaders who've managed to make them close to the worst versions of themselves.

But we all have our facets, and I know many can be every bit as kind and caring as any of us, even more so, just to smaller, more defined groups. But to those some will give and give and give.

I wish I could remember a clinical term I read for the kind of social disorder they're caught up in, but we can see it's dreadfully real. It's just not immutable. They could change, as they changed to what they are now. Most are especially vulnerable to what their leadership and their group wants of them, and a good number would be much better people with better leaders. Amazingly fast too. Not that they're allowed to elect them these days.

Yesterday's fairly honorable and moderate conservatives left or were purged and stopped running for national office because they won't go along with the extremist ideology, betrayal and corruption of today's Republican Party. They still exist, though. And since at least half all nations will always be conservative by nature, we need their moderates back representing at least half of them so we can all keep the other half controlled.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. They are perfectly fine with people that they don't know being harmed.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 04:34 PM
Apr 2020

I have no use for that psychopathology. I know several MAGATS, I wouldn't trust a single one of them with a life or death decision where they make a decision based purely of the morality of that decision, even though on the surface they are your "fine people".

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Then you don't know any, just imagine you do.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 04:42 PM
Apr 2020

Conservatives do see moral issues differently, more in relation to how the group is affected rather than the individual. But psychologists say we overlap a whole, whole lot more than we differ.

You know who's different? Genuine libertarians by nature (as opposed to economic conservatives posturing as libertarians). Both real conservatives and real liberals share altruism toward others. True libertarians, though coming in a range of strengths, tend to lack it and despise it as a weakness in others.

Paul Ryan's ideology reflected in his economic plans, the ones too extreme even for his house Republicans, would have had an unstated end result of a genocidal cleansing of society by ultimately allowing those who couldn't pay for their own medical care to die, leaving a healthier, happier, free-er and more moral society to inherit. Or something like that.

Coincidentally ( ), the libertarianism- and greed-inspired Republican leadership blocked all action to stop this coronavirus at its entry points, and now we're undergoing something of a genocidal "cleansing." And they're still trying to block action to mitigate. But don't try to tell that to their loyal supporters. They won't believe it; and even as they parrot 50K deaths as like the annual flu deaths that are supposedly inevitable, they'd be outraged and contemptuous of any suggestion that they supported an opportunistic plot to kill off themselves and/or any sick and elderly relatives who collect benefits. But which like wildfire is consuming many others.

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