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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGeorgia is reopening this week.
And on Rachel Maddow, we see that COVID19 cases are increasing rapidly all over the state.
Who will Brian Kemp, the GOP Governor, blame?
Amazing how Kemp, who claimed he did not know about the existence of asymptomatic carriers of COVID19, feels confident in reopening his state even as cases are rapidly increasing.
Almost like mass insanity is infecting the entire GOP leadership.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)They still feel invulnerable. Like they always have a way out of any situation, just because they are repubs and part of the Drumpf Cult.
If the 60% of Normal People in this country can rise up, we can destroy the repubs nationwide this November. It's gonna take a massive FUCK YOU from a large enough majority, to overcome the fucking Idiots in the Red/Purple states, who will vote for their Cult Leader no matter what he does.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Yes, the leaders of the GOP are rich, and reasonably safe.
But the followers are just as vulnerable as everyone else. One thing I see is that many of Trump's followers see this as something that will mainly affect minorities.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)This insanity of reopening as cases are rising can only end badly.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)We have known that GOP was insane for a long time. It's just starting to be seen in 3d, in your face, undeniable fashion.
Initech
(100,067 posts)But now that everyone is a walking biohazard, they seem to be intent on killing us before this is over. Trump is a modern day Jim Jones and he wants his followers to drink the Kool Aid.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)They are showing the world their true colors.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)We know that the GOP leadership is racist, and greedy. But even greedy racists generally have some sense of self-preservation.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have been hearing more ambulances racing around. It will be interesting to see what happens. I plan to keep doing what I am doing.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)In Illinois, the Trump voters are planning a May 1 reopen the state rally in Chicago.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)crickets
(25,963 posts)Nothing and no one from the outside world is getting near me for the next few weeks. It's scary and so stupid, and I am worried. Too many people listen to FOX around here, and just don't know how bad it is. *sigh*
brer cat
(24,560 posts)Kemp is an idiot.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)These are the data that the Governor is hanging his hat on.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And the charts covered the last few weeks. It is obvious from the charts that the virus is spreading, with numerous hot spots.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)bluestarone
(16,924 posts)So we'll keep watching it rise. So sorry for the dumb decision that will affect the residents!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but their actions endanger everyone.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Awareness that this thing does a lot more than carry off nana and popi is growing. Many survivors of all ages are left with permanent damage to vital organs.
And then there's this dreadful clotting complication that's also killing and crippling people in their 30s, 40s and 50s, not just older. One brain surgeon watched new clots form in real time as he tried to remove the one he went in for. Some didn't know they had COVID until stroke or other dreadful consequence hit. We still have to find out, for those who recover enough to have a life, if that goes away or becomes chronic/recurrent.
So fooling even those eager to be fooled is getting much harder, and I suspect a lot of the businesses trying to open now may not be able to meet basic expenses and have to close again.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But fooling Trump voters is made easier when Trump voters depend on Fox, and Trump, for their information. I fear that many of these Trump voters will not truly understand what is happening unless it happens to them, or a close relative.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)accounts spreading through friends. Three degrees of separation is going to be nothing when it's someone their age bringing their grown son to live with them because he can no longer talk or care for himself.
I was just checking an RVers site to see what was being said about traveling now and self-isolating on the road and campgrounds. Lots of good sense and responsibility, but still too much of the other. Just today a news-bubble-dweller posted this below, full of misinformation and cluelessness, but overall his fellow forumers are the kind of older crowd who started taking it seriously early on and have been responding to these posters with information.
I wouldn't be betting anything that everyone in that family planning to meet up now will a month from now.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And implicit in this pathetic rationalization is that the person commenting will not be one of that unnamed "some" who will die.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Let the MAGATS play Russian roulette with it, we can use fewer of them anyway.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if only that didn't require letting them impose them on us too.
Our history is of one long struggle to save us all from them, and never a word of thanks.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I honestly believe that when they see another person, their first thought is how much of a mark that person is. They are devoid of empathy, so I waste none on them, if covid19 could take every single one of them out without harming any innocents, I would be perfectly ok with that outcome -but, of course, life doesn't work in such a surgical way.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)because it suited me, and because it's been our fate to live in conservative areas ever since (not intentionally). But it means the conservatives you're thinking of are people to me. Ones with their faults used and magnified by evil-doing leaders who've managed to make them close to the worst versions of themselves.
But we all have our facets, and I know many can be every bit as kind and caring as any of us, even more so, just to smaller, more defined groups. But to those some will give and give and give.
I wish I could remember a clinical term I read for the kind of social disorder they're caught up in, but we can see it's dreadfully real. It's just not immutable. They could change, as they changed to what they are now. Most are especially vulnerable to what their leadership and their group wants of them, and a good number would be much better people with better leaders. Amazingly fast too. Not that they're allowed to elect them these days.
Yesterday's fairly honorable and moderate conservatives left or were purged and stopped running for national office because they won't go along with the extremist ideology, betrayal and corruption of today's Republican Party. They still exist, though. And since at least half all nations will always be conservative by nature, we need their moderates back representing at least half of them so we can all keep the other half controlled.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have no use for that psychopathology. I know several MAGATS, I wouldn't trust a single one of them with a life or death decision where they make a decision based purely of the morality of that decision, even though on the surface they are your "fine people".
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Conservatives do see moral issues differently, more in relation to how the group is affected rather than the individual. But psychologists say we overlap a whole, whole lot more than we differ.
You know who's different? Genuine libertarians by nature (as opposed to economic conservatives posturing as libertarians). Both real conservatives and real liberals share altruism toward others. True libertarians, though coming in a range of strengths, tend to lack it and despise it as a weakness in others.
Paul Ryan's ideology reflected in his economic plans, the ones too extreme even for his house Republicans, would have had an unstated end result of a genocidal cleansing of society by ultimately allowing those who couldn't pay for their own medical care to die, leaving a healthier, happier, free-er and more moral society to inherit. Or something like that.
Coincidentally ( ), the libertarianism- and greed-inspired Republican leadership blocked all action to stop this coronavirus at its entry points, and now we're undergoing something of a genocidal "cleansing." And they're still trying to block action to mitigate. But don't try to tell that to their loyal supporters. They won't believe it; and even as they parrot 50K deaths as like the annual flu deaths that are supposedly inevitable, they'd be outraged and contemptuous of any suggestion that they supported an opportunistic plot to kill off themselves and/or any sick and elderly relatives who collect benefits. But which like wildfire is consuming many others.