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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:13 PM Apr 2020

"... the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen"

How does coronavirus kill? Clinicians trace a ferocious rampage through the body, from brain to toes

... snip

What follows is a snapshot of the fast-evolving understanding of how the virus attacks cells around the body, especially in the roughly 5% of patients who become critically ill. Despite the more than 1000 papers now spilling into journals and onto preprint servers every week, a clear picture is elusive, as the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen. Without larger, prospective controlled studies that are only now being launched, scientists must pull information from small studies and case reports, often published at warp speed and not yet peer reviewed. “We need to keep a very open mind as this phenomenon goes forward,” says Nancy Reau, a liver transplant physician who has been treating COVID-19 patients at Rush University Medical Center. “We are still learning.”

More here: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes







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"... the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen" (Original Post) MelissaB Apr 2020 OP
As Agent Smith said... Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #1
Well that cheered me up. sellitman Apr 2020 #3
🤣🤣🤣 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #4
It could be worse. SkatmanRoth Apr 2020 #10
... lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #11
I love that cat. RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #12
Engineer: Glass is about twice as large as it should be. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #15
Mechanic....Which engineer had his head so far up his ass when he designed this glass?...n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2020 #17
Psychologist: Vai deed joo chooze zaaat glaaass??? lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #18
Trumpist: It's their fault the glass isn't full. erronis Apr 2020 #21
"As long as trump empties the glass not fooled Apr 2020 #24
The Systems Engineer miscalculated the requirements which is evident by the excessive capacity. SkatmanRoth Apr 2020 #26
correct answer is... noneof_theabove Apr 2020 #28
Then The Scientist... ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #39
Realist: The glass is half full of water and half full of air. warmfeet Apr 2020 #19
Economist... Xolodno Apr 2020 #41
It's a doom-a-thon every day. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #31
He also said "Smith will suffice" when someone said "Oh God" ck4829 Apr 2020 #20
Years ago I worked at a small community hospital Butterflylady Apr 2020 #22
The planet is several billion beyond its carrying capacity The Mouth Apr 2020 #29
There is NO doubt about this. You win. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #37
Each serious pathogen has it's trademark effects at140 Apr 2020 #2
Nahuas (some of whom were descendants a la izquierda Apr 2020 #36
Off to the Greatest... Hugin Apr 2020 #5
forwarded to several others. Stay careful...too much we don't know. nt wiggs Apr 2020 #6
I am terrified that this will be vaccine-proof SoonerPride Apr 2020 #7
Same here. MelissaB Apr 2020 #8
Wonder what other viruses may be lurking in the biosphere. n/t MarcA Apr 2020 #13
Due to the melting ice and permafrost up North DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #30
Lots of people forget there never was a vaccine for the 2002 SARS virus ansible Apr 2020 #14
They are still searching a vaccine for cancer, common cold etc. at140 Apr 2020 #16
Cancer is not one disease. Maybe someday there will be vaccines PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #25
LOL DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #35
I know firsthand, My wife's cancer treatment is billed at $30,000/month at140 Apr 2020 #38
It will keep mutating like the common cold. Duppers Apr 2020 #23
Soon as it was deemed a pandemic... 2naSalit Apr 2020 #27
People are recovering and not getting sick again Ex Lurker Apr 2020 #32
Yet many are still testing positive which 2naSalit Apr 2020 #33
Bookmarked! kentuck Apr 2020 #9
Anyone who wants to go run and play on the beach, read this. Damn awful virus. Joinfortmill Apr 2020 #34
There is zero evidence the virus is being spread by being outside. former9thward Apr 2020 #40
+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2020 #43
I'm convinced this virus was made in a lab. Wednesdays Apr 2020 #42

Ferrets are Cool

(21,104 posts)
1. As Agent Smith said...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:16 PM
Apr 2020

humans are a virus. The Earth will eventually created a bigger, badder virus that will wipe us off the planet for good.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
39. Then The Scientist...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 07:23 PM
Apr 2020

...will explain the mechanics of how the glass retains the liquid!
Probably a good thing I play piano & guitar. Being in a band meant I wasn't always told to just go home!

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
41. Economist...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:01 PM
Apr 2020

...the glass is at equilibrium.


Me....I'm getting out of here before I have to clean the glass.

ck4829

(35,039 posts)
20. He also said "Smith will suffice" when someone said "Oh God"
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 04:53 PM
Apr 2020

I'm not keen on deriving a worldview from someone with a mindset like that.

I'm just sayin'.

Butterflylady

(3,537 posts)
22. Years ago I worked at a small community hospital
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:11 PM
Apr 2020

I was CNA, certified nursing assistant. One evening they brought in a patient that had a very contagious virus that only the doctors on duty and nurses were allowed to attend to. They dressed in what I would call astronauts get up. Any way at that time they couldn't find any antibiotic to treat him his chances of survival were not good. Thankfully they were able to come up with a combination of antibiotics that worked.

However, I remember one of the doctors that treated him saying how lucky they were to be able to treat him and save his life but in the future the the viruses were becoming more and more smarter because they were able adapt to any medicine they could come up with. He said in the future there would be a virus, germ, bacteria or whatever you call it, that would wipe out a lot of the population because the medical field wouldn't be able to find a medicine to combat.

That doctor was right on the money and it scared the hell out of me.

The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
29. The planet is several billion beyond its carrying capacity
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:58 PM
Apr 2020

something is going to give.

Nature bats last.

at140

(6,110 posts)
2. Each serious pathogen has it's trademark effects
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:19 PM
Apr 2020

I was struck by smallpox in 1948 at age 8 and according to my mother I was close to death. And the smallpox left it's trademark permanent ball peen hammer marks on my face, still visible after 72 years. In India I have seen lepers begging in streets and it makes a human being look hideous beyond imagination. No wonder there are leper colonies because no one wants to be near them.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
36. Nahuas (some of whom were descendants
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:43 PM
Apr 2020

of the Aztecs) described how smallpox impacted their communities. It was a life and society-altering epidemic.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
7. I am terrified that this will be vaccine-proof
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:31 PM
Apr 2020

We may never be able to eradicate this virus and it may ravage humanity for the foreseeable future.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
30. Due to the melting ice and permafrost up North
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:58 PM
Apr 2020

the scientists are reporting alot of them are being exposed that have been buried for thousands of years..... And they are all unknown to science.......

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
14. Lots of people forget there never was a vaccine for the 2002 SARS virus
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 04:01 PM
Apr 2020

Although one can hope that this will now spur an unprecedented amount of research into new medical tech.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,817 posts)
25. Cancer is not one disease. Maybe someday there will be vaccines
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:17 PM
Apr 2020

for certain specific types of cancer.

The common cold is actually a collection of 200-400 different cold viruses.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
35. LOL
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:12 PM
Apr 2020

A doctor once told me that the drug companies will INTENTIONALLY never find the cure for cancer.
He said there is far too much money to be made "treating" it..........

There is no money to be made being able to take ten pills and having it cured.

A member of my family is an excellent example. ONE PILL A DAY, for three weeks, every month.

EACH PILL IS $125.00 IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE SUCH GREAT PHARMACEUTICAL INSURANCE, IT WOULD BE $525.00 FOR EACH PILL....

at140

(6,110 posts)
38. I know firsthand, My wife's cancer treatment is billed at $30,000/month
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 07:02 PM
Apr 2020

going on in her 3rd year! But without the treatment, her cancer would spread fast.

2naSalit

(86,345 posts)
27. Soon as it was deemed a pandemic...
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 05:43 PM
Apr 2020

I was resigned to the probability that there might never be an effective vaccine. There is no established recognition that anyone has become immune yet.

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
32. People are recovering and not getting sick again
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:04 PM
Apr 2020

Apart from a handful of outliers. That may not be scientific proof but it's a decent indication.

2naSalit

(86,345 posts)
33. Yet many are still testing positive which
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 06:08 PM
Apr 2020

means they are probably still shedding the virus, sick or not.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
9. Bookmarked!
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 03:43 PM
Apr 2020

This is information we all need to have on hand.

The knowledge is only beginning about this deadly virus.

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
40. There is zero evidence the virus is being spread by being outside.
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 07:42 PM
Apr 2020

There is nothing wrong with running outside. The hotspots are places inside with poor ventilation. Nursing homes, jails, close quarter workplaces, inside homes where families spread it among each other, buses, subways, etc. #sciencematters.

Wednesdays

(17,321 posts)
42. I'm convinced this virus was made in a lab.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:05 PM
Apr 2020

It may very well have not been released intentionally, but this seems to be too "perfect" a disease to have not been intentionally engineered.

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