Chris Hayes faces major backlash after segment falsely characterizing Biden accusations as "credible

[hlthe2b]

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Chris Hayes gets destroyed for running dishonest story about Joe Biden
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/chris-hayes-gets-destroyed-for-running-dishonest-story-about-joe-biden/28118/

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The New York Times spent weeks digging into the woman’s claims and couldn’t find anything credible about them. In fact when she recently filed a police complaint, she left Biden’s name out of it – and the Times made a point of emphasizing that if she was lying and she’d included Biden’s name, she’d have been committing a crime.

There’s a reason this story didn’t get picked up by cable news networks. Not even Fox News wanted to touch it. This is the kind of clearly non-credible (and rapidly unraveling) allegation that will end up blowing up in the face of any news outlet that tries to give it credibility. For that reason, I’ve urged everyone to simply not take the bait from the internet trolls who have spent weeks trying to goad people into elevating the story by debating it. After all, cable news wasn’t going to touch this phony scandal unless there was enough social media noise that it felt it had to cover it – and the trolls couldn’t create sufficient noise without unwitting help.
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The name “Chris Hayes” ended up trending on Twitter after the segment aired. Ninety percent or more of the mentions were not in Hayes’ favor. Lisa Glass said this of Chris Hayes: “We believe Joe Biden because the story is not credible. I am a smart woman, and I don’t need you to lecture me on my critical thinking skills.” Hundreds of tweets stated that they’ll never watch Hayes again. Numerous tweets urged the boycott of Hayes’ advertisers in an attempt to force him off the air.

If Hayes were pursuing an uncomfortable but important and credible story, one could applaud him for being willing to anger and alienate his audience in the name of truth. But this is the opposite of that. Hayes clearly put this non-credible story on the air, and incorrectly characterized it as credible, because he felt he needed to retain credibility with his core audience of anti-Democrat liberals. And because that’s a niche of people who often don’t want the truth, Hayes was lulled into thinking he could get away with misrepresenting the Biden story.

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Notably, Hayes has tweeted footage of multiple segments from his show tonight on his @allinwithchris account. Yet two hours after his show finished airing, he still hasn’t posted the Joe Biden story. Is he afraid of the negative feedback he’ll receive? Does he know he screwed up? Can we potentially hope for a retraction tomorrow? He seemed to think he could set Biden on fire tonight for the amusement of his core audience of extremists. Instead Hayes ended up setting himself on fire, because he forgot that serious people watch his show too. Well, some of them won’t be watching anymore.

On edit: The Hill has picked up the story now:
#FireChrisHayes trends after MSNBC host covers Biden sexual assault allegations

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/495448-firechrishayes-trends-after-msnbc-host-covers-biden-sexual-assault-allegations

[dalton99a]

1. Stupid, opportunistic asshole

[whathehell]

62. The Hell he is..He presented the story He's a journalist -- That's his job.

[Demsrule86]

65. No, he did not present a story...the New York Times presented the story. Chris Hayes lied to

his viewers in order to garner ratings which is a big fail. And that make me smile. Already, I have already contacted his advertisers and will post the list here later. He thinks maybe IMHO that he can still make Sanders the nominee. This is impossible, and the attempt only helps Trump.

Chris Hayes is willing to disenfranchise the majority of Democratic primary voters in order to get his way. He has lost any credibility that remained after his disgraceful behavior during the primary. He is dead to me, and I suspect to the majority of Democrats. Chris Hayes has lost the right to be considered a journalist. He is no such thing.

[whathehell]

67. Explain how he 'lied" to his viewers"?

[Demsrule86]

80. He stated that the New York times had failed to address the accusations...that was a lie pure and

simple. The New York Times had done much research and presented the facts. No one who has looked at this story sees it as anything but BS. Tara Read is not credible for many reasons which have been presented. I am done with Hayes....sick of his slanting the news. He only helps Trump.

[whathehell]

106. Lol..There are these things called "mistakes"

but with such obvious animosity, I'm guessing that only the most sinister of motives would ring true to you.

[Demsrule86]

110. I saw him until I stopped watching show absolute animosity to Joe Biden...He was

absolutely a condescending jerk during the primary. I had stopped watching and only started to watch again. No more, he is dead to me. He is a Sanders supporter and should no use his job this way...he is not acting like a professional journalist.

[whathehell]

114. I watch him nearly every night

and have honestly never seen this.

[whathehell]

125. -------

Whatever..I simply don't see him that way and never have. ..To each his own.

[Gothmog]

133. This stunt caused me to really dislike Hayes

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

138. Sarandon gave us GW Bush and trump

She is not a credible person and was wrong about sanders and his magical voter revolution

[Cha]

143. sarandon is a ******* RF Idiot who has Blood on her hands.

Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Donald Trump: Susan Sarandon

LONDON: Legendary actor Susan Sarandon said if Hillary Clinton had won last year's US Presidential Elections, the US would be in war zone today.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/hillary-clinton-was-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-susan-sarandon/articleshow/61830158.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Overall, we rate the Economic Times Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/

[Gothmog]

169. Thank you for posting this

I agree with you. Sarandon is not credible

[delisen]

155. Don't need more multi millonaire fat cat Sarandons

Sarandon collects her Trump tax breaks, invests in her NY real estate ventures and lectures andtrashes women who actually do something to address poverty and inequality-women like H Clinton and. Huertas.

She is all talk no action and seems to vote with her own economic self interest in mind. Trump in office has increased her wealth. And she does not seem to be using the money to benefit anyone but herself and her immediate family. Very Republican in behavior .

There is zero concern for people suffering -just a super rich faux revolutionary Trump enabler who personally benefits from his policies. She is a con artist- just like Trump peddling her brand and claiming to be what she is not.

[Cha]

142. Sarandon is a LYING GASLIGHTER.. she Claimed Hillary is More

Dangerous than trump.

Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Donald Trump: Susan Sarandon

LONDON: Legendary actor Susan Sarandon said if Hillary Clinton had won last year's US Presidential Elections, the US would be in war zone today.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/hillary-clinton-was-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-susan-sarandon/articleshow/61830158.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Overall, we rate the Economic Times Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/

SS has trump blood on her filthy hands.

[Cha]

145. Sarandon is a fucking Idiot. She's a LYING ASSHOLE and NOT

"correct" as you assert.

I'm not trying to "persuade" you.. most of this board knows what an asshat troll SSarandon is.. I don't need to "persuade" anybody.

Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Donald Trump: Susan Sarandon

LONDON: Legendary actor Susan Sarandon said if Hillary Clinton had won last year's US Presidential Elections, the US would be in war zone today.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/hillary-clinton-was-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-susan-sarandon/articleshow/61830158.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Overall, we rate the Economic Times Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/

ETA~ Hillary is Not a "john Bolton neoliberal who wanted to start a war with Syria.." You don't know wth you're talking about.

[still_one]

149. Exactly Cha. To suggest that Sarandon is incisive is outrageous. In 2000 she was one of the

idiots who stood with Michael Moore telling people not to vote for Gore

Not only does she have blood on her hands encouraging people not to vote for Hillary in 2016, but also in 2000 encouraging people not to vote for Gore

She helped us lose two Supreme Court seats with her false equivalency bullshit

Why MSNBS considers her relevant is beyond me.

[Cha]

150. Because it's msnbc and they consider MM "relevant"..

and chris hayes' shit eating grin reporting the LIES of Tara Reade but not the inconsistencies of her long history of praising Biden.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

In 2017 Alexandra Tara Reade Praised Joe Biden for Helping End Sexual Assault.

In 2017 Alexandra Tara Reade praised Joe Biden for his action in helping stop sexual assault, not just once, but on multiple occasions.

Between September of 2016 and May of 2017, Alexander Tara Reade used a Twitter account, under the name Tara McCabe, to spread praise of Joe Biden via tweeting, retweeting and liking various Tweets.

There are multiple examples of this, as seen below:
In the below instance, Reade retweeted a tweet by Margaret Cho that appears to commend Joe Biden for working with Lady Gaga to end sexual assault.

More~
https://medium.com/eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

[still_one]

151. Thanks Cha. There are major credibility issues with Reade, and for much of the media to leave out

Reade’s continuous changing story, inconsistencies, and timeline is shoddy reporting

I am grateful that your Medium link, and the USA Today article the other day reported on reade’s inconsistencies, changing storyline, and credibility issues.

This is so similar to what was done to Hillary, with their half assed reporting

[Cha]

152. The ******* US media is Gaslighting

Again.. all we need is Andrea But her Emails Mitchell droning on about.. "but Tara Reade's allegations".. leaving the idiotrump alone.

Hopefully the majority won't buy what the gaslighting media, greenwald, and Sarandon types etc etc are selling.

You're Welcome, still_one

[Gothmog]

159. I agree Cha

Sarandon is not credible

[Cha]

165. And, that's how

I really feel!

[Cha]

153. Is Hayes still "giggling"? .. Sarandon is an Idiot and there's nothing

damn funny about her lies.

Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Donald Trump: Susan Sarandon

LONDON: Legendary actor Susan Sarandon said if Hillary Clinton had won last year's US Presidential Elections, the US would be in war zone today.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/hillary-clinton-was-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-susan-sarandon/articleshow/61830158.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Overall, we rate the Economic Times Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/

[Cha]

154. So.. your Big Idea about "trump bringing the revolution", SS..

How did that work out for our Country.. the World?

[LanternWaste]

171. I too dismiss lies as mere mistakes when my bias depends on it.

But sure... keep moving those goalposts. It may actually work one day.

[Gothmog]

139. Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

Link to tweet

►People who contradict Reade’s claim. After the alleged assault, Reade said she complained about Biden's harassment to Marianne Baker, Biden’s executive assistant, as well as to top aides Dennis Toner and Ted Kaufman. All three Biden staffers recently told The New York Times that she made no complaint to them.
And they did not offer the standard, noncommittal “I don’t remember any such complaint.” The denials were firm. “She did not come to me. If she had, I would have remembered her,” Kaufman said. Toner made a similar statement. And from Baker: “I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct (by Biden), period." Baker said such a complaint, had Reade made it, "would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.”
►Missing formal complaint. Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.
It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed “the trajectory” of her life. It’s equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.
►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a “semiprivate” area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reade’s amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.
For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.
►The lie about losing her job. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Biden’s chief of staff.
Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reade’s credibility and account of events.
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.” It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.

[whathehell]

147. I read that and am also skeptical,

but I still like Chris Hayes. Sorry.

[Gothmog]

158. Great statement by Joe

Link to tweet

?s=20

[rockfordfile]

90. No he's not a journalist. lol

[whathehell]

105. Yes he is a journalist, lol.

[greblach]

104. Chris Hayes is the Best

I agree, I actually watch his show to the exclusion of several others...I like Rachel but I find her entree dialogue usually puts me to sleep...Chris Hayes live shows were great, so the social distancing thing has taken some of the energy away, but he is always thoughtful and willing to take devils advocate positions...that said, I do not at present take Tara Reade's story as plausible...

[Demsrule86]

111. He attacked the nominee of our party with a story that has been discredited as if it had merit. it

doesn't. He was always a Sanders supporter and disliked Biden. Sorry, I won't sit back and watch Hayes and others reelect Trump. I will not watch his show ever and have sent letters to his advertisers.

[Cha]

134. No.. chris hayes is the worst... with his cat eating the canary

"smile" blech

[donkeypoofed]

115. He presented a lie ! NOT his job.

[whathehell]

126. I doubt he believes that

But if you don't like him, don't watch him...I have nothing else to say on the matter.

[Gothmog]

131. Legal experts confirm that the allegations against Joe Biden aren't remotely credible.

Link to tweet

[whathehell]

148. That's nice,

but again, I still.like Chris Hayes.

[Skittles]

146. he presented it in a dishonest way

I am no Biden fan and even I can see that.

[Blue_Adept]

72. Hayes or the Palmer Report?

I love this place. It's provided me with twenty years of humor.

[Hortensis]

76. Lol. Thanks for helping me laugh.

You can imagine how thrilled I was to open this hopefully and discover it was the PALMer Report.

[hlthe2b]

79. No one advocates him for "breaking news" or "news" in general. This was a twitter commentary

Surely you don't have a problem with someone expressing an opinion, do you, Hortensis?

Please do feel free to delete this thread. I'll be happy to show you how.

[Hortensis]

82. I know how. I WAS disappointed since I really wanted the headline's

statement of fact to be real. I'll keep checking though. If there's major backlash it'll be media news.

[Blue_Adept]

83. Palmer's opinions.... used to be largely derided here

The time's are a changing.

[hlthe2b]

85. He is commenting on the twitter backlash. That is not in dispute. But apparently you find the point

of the commentary-- that a prominent MSNBC host feels that a totally unquestioned interview with a Biden accuser, sans any context nor contesting facts, reportage, nor guests, is not important to discuss. The key issue is that a commentator you don't like was the first to review the twitter response and to post on it.

And THAT is what you feel so important to derail the discussion...

Again, I'll be happy to show you how to delete this or any other thread, rather than see you attempt to derail an important discussion that if not addressed feeds the RW tremendous propaganda.

[Blue_Adept]

86. Thanks for letting me know which discussion points are allowed in this topic

Maybe next time put those rules in the first post?

[hlthe2b]

87. Maybe next time, read the thread and consider whether or not your want to call out the OP

and derail the thread because you don't like the source-- regardless of the point of the thread, nor how demonstrably valid the points made. I find defeating Trump to be the all-encompassing priority. Critiques of a small-time blogger don't even enter in, especially when he cites what is in the public record and on video. No one here is promoting him personally.

[Blue_Adept]

88. lol. I derailed the thread with one post. I didn't realize the power I had.

[demmiblue]

167. I scanned down... Palmer Report is an immediate NOPE.

I also can't remember the last time I watched Chris Hayes.

[Progressive dog]

84. I agree with your assessment of Hayes.

[Iliyah]

2. I saw that part and they both were smiling from ear to ear . . .

which I found kinda odd.

[Zoonart]

3. I have stopped watching Hayes altogether.

He is constantly allowing the both-siderism he pretends to be against. I also can't abide his childish snort-chortling during interviews.
This shit is NOT funny.

[Blue_true]

108. People run to his show. That same type avoid Rachel like the plague. nt

[Gothmog]

135. I do not watch Hayes but I love Rachel

[Blue_true]

166. Rachel doesn't tolerate the rightwing takeovers, or the "both sides" types.

[katmondoo]

4. I stopped watching him after he pushed Sanders even after Sanders was no longer viable.

[True Blue American]

20. So did I.

I never watch Hayes.

[Me.]

5. And He Deserves It & More

I'm glad it's happening and it wipes that 'devil's advocate' smile off his face

[NRaleighLiberal]

6. yup. there is the left, the right and the media that thinks they are equal

and both just $well.

So many examples of money and profit over lives. Puke worthy.

[cwydro]

7. I've seen this story here more than anywhere else.

OP after Op about it.

Makes me wonder.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Same Here

Thing that make you go, hmmm!

[FakeNoose]

100. Probably because most of us are regular MSNBC viewers

Outside of the "DU crowd" their viewership goes down.

Among my personal friends (not counting DU contacts) I only know of a few who ever watch MSNBC, and none are regular watchers. If anything they're fans of Rachel, but I don't think they can name any other hosts on the channel. When we DUers discuss MSNBC, we assume everyone else is watching the same thing. Mostly, they aren't.

[cwydro]

102. I watch Rachel, sometimes Brian Williams.

CNN as well.

I see much more of this story here.

[FakeNoose]

103. Right, but on Facebook they don't know who Chris Hayes is

Nobody on Facebook has a clue what he said on his show last night.
DU is probably 1/1000th the size of Facebook, but we're all over it.

That was my point.

[Dem4Life1102]

8. Ari Melber did a dishonest segment

on this story as well.

[Paladin]

12. In between all the rap singers he asks for political opinions?

MSNBC's really going downhill, fast.

[Dem4Life1102]

14. I read somewhere that

they desperately want to move Nicole Wallace into the 8 PM time slot but she has refused to move later in the day.

[hlthe2b]

15. I hadn't watched CNN for years, but am increasingly doing so now.

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I still watch Rachel, Lawrence, Nicole, and occasionally even Brian Williams if insomnia gets me, but CNN has been far less engaging in "bothsiderism" and bringing on Trump liars than before. Their prime time hosts are exceedingly blunt for the most part. Now is hardly a time to make excuses Trump when people are dying. And those on MSNBC who would grant unquestioning interviews to Biden accusers are DEAD to me.

[lagomorph777]

27. Same trend for me. MSNBC is feeling like bait-and-switch sometimes.

[Mike 03]

42. Agreed. CNN has improved substantially. The change was actually

rather dramatic. After Deadline White House I usually shift over to CNN until Rachel Maddow comes on. Sometimes I catch Chris Hayes. I missed last night and didn't see the debacle.

[roscoeroscoe]

47. If I have a chance to watch TV

I'll watch Nicole Wallace or Lawrence, Morning Joe for the panel.

[LisaM]

60. I have been watching CNN for the most part.

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I don't distrust Rachel Maddow, but I am tired, tired, tired of her circling around the point and her repetition, not to mention the way she often acts as if she's breaking some major story and then nothing comes of it. (She briefly shone one day when Trump said women should be 'punished' for having abortions and so she tracked down Hillary and Bernie for their reactions, but then she settled back into her ways).

Lawrence O'Donnell lost me years ago with his Bernie cheerleading and then, during the 2016 election (not primary) he did some story ostensibly criticizing Trump and praising HRC, and mentioned Trump's name at least 100 times and Hillary's three. It was so lopsided I started counting. I am fairly sure he was completely unaware he did this, but it summed up the fascination cable news had with Trump and the unfair amount of attention they gave him.

The only show I watch on a regular basis on MSNBC is Brian Williams. I thought he got a bad rap for having a conflated memory about two events (which is really common), but it's to our benefit, since he now has an hour-long show. Of course, I am on the West Coast, so the timing is good, but he's thoughtful and fair, and lines up really good guests. And, he listens to them and doesn't fold the answer into the questions he asks them the way many hosts do.

[PatSeg]

66. I used to love Rachel and I still usually watch her,

but the repetition and long drawn out stories are getting tedious. Fortunately, I record her show so I skip forward through a lot of that very, very long first segment - almost 30 minutes to tell a five minute story. She still does have some excellent stories, but for the most part a whole hour of her has become too much for me.

I still watch O'Donnell as I like his commentaries and his style is much more laid back and watchable. I've been surprised that lately the show I like best in the evening is Brian Williams. He is very polished and professional, rarely ever cuts off a guest, and maintains a certain rhythm that only a real pro can pull off. He throws in a bit of humor here and there, but does it in such a way that it does not come across as inappropriate or out of place. Often a dry wit that he throws in without missing a beat. I agree, he did get a bad rap. He is still the most professional newscaster that MSNBC has.

[LisaM]

68. Yes his dry humor is very appealing.

He has some of the sophistication of the glory days of broadcasting.

[PatSeg]

77. Yes, exactly

That was my take as well. You said it better. I'm tired of hosts that try too hard to be entertainers, instead of journalists or commentators. I don't expect well educated, intelligent journalists to use words like "freaking" or "bull-pucky". Rachel is a "freaking" Rhodes Scholar, I expect her to speak like a journalist, not a late night talk show host. I watch Stephen Colbert or Seth Meyers for that.

Then there is Ari Melber, who I really like, but I don't need the constant pop culture references and rap song lyrics. Its really not as clever as he thinks it is. These people are reporting and commenting on serious news at a historic time, and though there is room for a bit of levity or a laugh now and then, it should not come at the cost of professionalism or credibility.

[LisaM]

96. You just made me laugh!

I pictured someone like Edward R. Murrow dressed like the Beats and calling people "cats".

[PatSeg]

97. Okay, now you made ME laugh!

Or Walter Cronkite!

[LisaM]

99. Nope!

Although two funny things about him:

1) When I was little, our parents subscribed to a magazine for us called "Jack and Jill". I don't remember too much about it, other than a bunch of stories about someone called Babi Yaga (or something) who lived in a scary house on stilts, and an article once about "My Dad, Walter Cronkite".

2) At the time Walter Cronkite died, I learned that for many years he'd been shacking up with Carly Simon's sister.

But I guess that's the point, his love life and appearance in a kid's magazine never came across in his broadcasts.

[hlthe2b]

94. I agree

[MFGsunny]

71. My only line-up as well. Tossed watching Chuckie Toad, Ari and Hays a long way back. n/t

[PatSeg]

98. Oh Chuck Todd is painful to watch

Katy Tur and Nicole Wallace are my favorite daytime hosts right now. Rather like Craig Melvin as well.

[Paladin]

18. Nicole Wallace and Rachel Maddow are the only good ones remaining.

Lawrence O'Donnell probably makes the cut as well---but they've got him on so damned late.

MSNBC is steadily sliding into the toilet, just when the need for liberal commentary is most necessary. Lucky us.

P.S.: Fuck you, Chris Hayes.

[yellowdogintexas]

32. Lawrence and Rachel both have podcasts

Last night's Lawrence has two 45 minute segments up today.

[Blue_true]

109. Someone posted here that she wants to have dinner with her kids each day. nt

[True Blue American]

21. I gave up n Ari, too.CNN

Has real news, not regurgitated stories all day long.

[usaf-vet]

37. Stop listening to him for that very reason. RAP and the times we live in are not compatible topics.

I like music but RAP is not even close to being classified as music for this 50 and 60's music lover.

[Paladin]

44. I don't listen to political opinions from country-western singers, either.

What the hell is wrong with having political experts deliver political opinions on a political show? Ari needs to catch a clue.

[usaf-vet]

54. Absolutely nothing. It's his constant insertion of some Rappers quip that I and I'm sure some guests

....fined very annoying. Especially when he asks a guest "what did Rapper A say". I've heard guests pause searching for an answer that doesn't make them sound stupid or ill-informed about the Rapper world.

I use to enjoy his legal opinions on topics of the day.

[Paladin]

57. I don't watch him any more, either. (nt)

[HarlanPepper]

75. Ari is also a piece of shit.

[samsingh]

9. i'm very disappointed in chris hayes.

[irisblue]

10. NPR, All Things Considered, Mary Louise Kelly and Asma Kahlid did a story 4/29

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/847982990/former-neighbor-corroborates-tara-reades-account-of-sexual-assault-by-joe-biden
Snip--"
Tara Reade accused Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden of a sexual assault that took place in 1993. NPR has now spoken to a former neighbor of Reade's who corroborates Reade's account on record."

Transcript is available at above.

[hlthe2b]

11. Every bit of that addressed here. You should read this, rather than an unquestioning piece only

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

[irisblue]

19. After I heard that piece yesterday, I realized Kelly is back to being her Kelly self

Believe me, I was hollering at the radio "Hit Piece! Hit Piece!"
The Putinestas have created the newest version of Swift boating & But Her E Mails.

I hope the Biden people and the DNC fight harder then in the past.



And about Kelly; in late January/early February 2017, she would not use the word lie about the Apricothellbeasts trip to the CIA for the statements he made about them, she lost me.
I no longer see her as a neutral journalist, I know she is still agood at what she does, but I see her now as an access above honesty, a low key radio Maggie Habermann.

[True Blue American]

23. 1000%

[bsiebs]

43. Thanks for posting... very informative..

[Peacetrain]

13. Never ceases to amaze me how politics colors every thing we do...

Hayes is a Bernie supporter.. and trust me on this.. most Bernie supporters are supporters of Joe Biden. But just like with President Obama, and Secretary Clinton, people get so tied up in their politics and political purity they literally run 180 degrees from their previous stances to protect the political set they have in their minds.

This is true for the right and the left.


I cry over how far Micheal Moore has gone down that road. Just for quick example.


I think our country has gone absolute nuts. Anyone can find someone somewhere to back up their political point of view, and the second they do, that one or two or twenty people become the entire country. They think their opinion is the majority opinion..

[uponit7771]

16. Hayes didn't do his homework on Reade

[Demsrule86]

63. He knows the truth...he just twisted it deliberately because he is all in for Sanders.

[Gothmog]

141. Jill Wine Banks agrees

Link to tweet

[Texin]

17. Yeah, I've been baffled about the weight Hayes has put on this.

Reid's allegations just do not really bear up to close scrutiny. I've been sooo dubious about them that I find the whole thing repugnant. Attorneys have refused to take this woman's case on. I've known a lot of lawyers in my day - worked with and for them - and most will represent just about anyone that are upright and awake. I'm just having a hard time trying to explain how it is that Biden has stood for elections since she said that incident in the park happened, one of which was a national Presidential-VP elections - twice! Nothing was heard from Reid at that time. Hmmm. Wonder why that is? This is so much like the Al Franken railroading that it can't be overlooked.

[lagomorph777]

22. "anti-Democrat liberals. And because that's a niche of people who often don't want the truth..."

Please. Adding insult to injury does not help. Being a proud liberal/progressive doesn't make me damaged goods, similar to a Trumpet. Disgusting. And I think characterizing the audience of a show which, until now, was watched by a huge portion of DUers, as "anti-Democrat" is beyond insulting. It's a sickening lie.

[hlthe2b]

25. Ignore that part of the writer's commentary. The rest is absolutely to the mark & is THE POINT

Honestly, how anyone could not see the seriousness of what having MSNBC or other supposed "honest" hosts presenting and promoting these RW-promoted attacks on Biden, but focuses only on the suggestion that the far-left is being insulted soooooo misses the important point imo.

Heavens, what is more important than fighting back against media manipulation and false reporting that will help Trump? What?

[lagomorph777]

26. I do agree with the rest of it. Hayes has gone overnight from cool to tool.

WTF happened to his brain?

[Demsrule86]

34. Those anti-Biden and anti Democratic Party types who attack attack and attack are part of the

problem. And Chris has attacked Biden relentlessly the entire primary...sorry any audience that remains and watches his lies is not pro -Democratic Party.It hurts our efforts to beat Trump. Many of us think the Stein left cost us 16. I do in fact. And I will not stand by and watch it happen again with Chris Hayes leading the march giving Trump a second term. He is a Sanders supporter who refuses to accept Sanders has lost.

And let me just say, I am not saying anyone is 'damaged goods'. Every voice needs to be heard. And we had a primary where a clear winner emerged Joe Biden. He beat Sanders soundly. The primary is over. Joe Biden is the only candidate who can stop Trump. Thus the position that Hayes presents is a minority position at best and only helps Trump. It is divisive and only helps Trump. Those who do not support the democratic nominee are not and should not call themselves Democrats or even progressive as they are no such thing. No progressive will help reelect Trump...perhaps the proper term for such is...anarchists...burn it down types. And no I am not saying you are this sort.

[lagomorph777]

38. It's so weird here. Month after month, I see rants about "Bernie bros" and such.

But I don't ever see, said "Bernie bros." There are supposedly lots of them, according to all those hostile posts. But where are they? St. Petersburg? It's getting a bit tiresome. The primaries are over.

[Demsrule86]

53. Look at who has posted the Tara Reade story...then go back and look at the primary posts.

[Blue_true]

112. You call yourself a "proud liberal/progressive" with arrogance that says

"I am certain few others here are". It seems to be done with the same level of cluelessness that a typical MAGAT demonstrates. This place is loaded with liberal/progressive types, the vast majority of whom know a lie when they see one.

[lagomorph777]

157. I am proud to be part of the DU community because so many here share my values.

It is the article's author who I am complaining about - not DUers and not the OP!

I don't know how you came to your conclusion, but it is 180 degrees incorrect.

[Blue_true]

164. I guess I misread your post. Sometimes I have Trump's perfect brain, if you know what I mean.

[Pepsidog]

24. I am glad I didn't the segment. Between Hay's bullshit report and Chuck "Both-sider" Todd that is 2

hours MSNBC we could do without. Hays did skewer Tucker recently which was fun to watch but Chuck Todd’s spineless reporting has to go. I refuse to watch him. I would love to see Joy Reid take his place. She is brilliant and doesn’t suffer fools. I can give Hays a pass this time, but any future mention of the ridiculous Biden sexual assault allegation will cause me to turn off MSNBC. Sarah Henzinger (sp) is also smart as whip and I would love to see and hear more from her.

[Demsrule86]

31. Melber needs a boycott too.

[Green Line]

33. Yes he does

I didn't like him much before, but now I'm off to CNN when he comes on.

[renate]

39. Lordy I am so sick of the way he talks about music all the damn time

He shoehorns his “look at me, I’m super young and cool” observations in every chance he gets, and every chance he doesn’t get, too... he’ll interrupt a guest who’s on a roll to make some dumb pop culture reference. It’s like Chris Matthews, but worse because Chris would interrupt excitedly. Ari interrupts to show off.

[hlthe2b]

51. yes. I agree. In doing so, he inevitably embarrasses his guest who generally has no clue

I too would be in this boat as I am not a close observer of current yet, somewhat arcane music trends, especially in the rap and hip hop genre (but others as well). As with technology, I'm no Luddite, but I certainly can not quote all the lyrics from even influential/popular songs I like from years past, much less now.

Yes, it is just his way to try to show off his self-perceived "hipness".

[Green Line]

73. He is so annoying when he does that

He hardly pays any attention to what his guests are saying, he's just waiting to interrupt with one of his absurd jokes or rapper quizzes.

[Demsrule86]

59. I had already stopped watching Ari and Chris...I didn't watch Joy for most of the primary either.

Sanders supporters have complained of the coverage he received. And I think there was some negative coverage. But the coverage was not even close to the truly awful coverage Biden has endured ...and Chris and Ari want to keep it up...then we don't watch them and a boycott is in order.

[Pepsidog]

89. Yea never really warmed up to him either. I can't believe I like Nicole Wallace who I couldn't stand

during the Bush years.

[Duppers]

28. I left him months ago.

[Demsrule86]

29. I intend to get a list of his advertisers...and try a boycott...sick of his shit. We put up with it

during the entire primary where he sneered and ridiculed Biden and the Democratic Party constantly. But now he has graduated to out and out lying. He is helping Trump at the expense of every American. Fuck Chris Hayes.

[jalan48]

30. Why hasn't the media gone after Trump in the same way?

[McCamy Taylor]

40. Because the GOP is the party of "me,me,me"

and the Democratic is the party of "sweetness and light." There is a tremendous double standard. With the GOP it is always "How short was her skirt?" With the Democrats it is "Why didn't you read her mind and know that she would be upset?"

[kimbutgar]

35. I DVR his show and sometimes watch but I'm deleting it after this.

[bucolic_frolic]

36. His sleepy-eyed delivery has been a fade for me for a couple of years

His segments never quite get to the full ramifications of a story, just throws out questions without answers. So more of the same.

[Mr. Evil]

41. Get rid of Chris.

Bring back Keith!

[Mars and Minerva]

64. YEAH! nt

[George II]

45. That person is the most biased person on television outside of Fox News.

[PatSeg]

48. I don't usually watch Hayes anymore

but I did catch that segment and found it very disturbing. Glad to hear that he is getting backlash for it. Leave this sort of crap to Fox News .

[turbinetree]

49. Wasn't Hayes the editor n chief at the Nation Magazine.....and who is the producer of his show?

[Frustratedlady]

69. His boss is supposedly his father-in-law. Someone is that works there.

I saw it mentioned awhile ago when he screwed up and people wanted him fired. The comment came that he wouldn't be fired, since his boss was his FIL. Not sure what position he had, though.

[shanti]

173. His boss is a

high mucky muck at MSNBC?

[Peacetrain]

50. If one half.. one tenth.. of the stuff I am reading now about reade is true

Chris Hayes had better be planning a full hour apology show to Joe and Jill Biden.. especially Jill Biden and Joes family.. I know he loves Bernie, but there is no excuse for shooting from the hip

[yortsed snacilbuper]

52. I never watch his show anyway,

I support Joe completely, I think the opposition is making up false stories to derail his campaign.

[Odawg]

55. Oh as a side note speaking about MSNBC...

I can't stand that Chuck Todd...what an asshole.

[keepthemhonestO]

56. I echo this

I won't be watching his show, I was so pissed when I saw that segment. He has some weird stuff he does some times but that's the last straw for me.

[seta1950]

58. Exactly

I watched his show , from time to time just until Rachel’s show started but never again , this is too serious to play games with, all of our lives are at stake, why give the gop more ammunition.

[Mars and Minerva]

61. Why is he still on the air? There are so many other talented people at MSNBC who...

...deserve a shot at a show.

[Dem2]

70. I changed the channel

He grates on me when he overcompensates.

[Gothmog]

74. I do not watch Chris Hayes

I really do not like Hayes

[Tom Rinaldo]

78. I like Chris but that was a mistake

It is possible if this "story" keeps" getting "covered" by "respectable" media that commentators on the left will need to carefully tackle it, but this was Hayes getting out in front of it and driving attention toward it. The New York Times study was more than enough for now. Hayes disappointed me with this.

[unitedwethrive]

81. Never liked him, never watch him...but now I will actively

wish a pox upon his house.

[rockfordfile]

91. He should apologize to Biden

[FakeNoose]

101. Do TV journalists ever apologize for a story?

I can't think of any. I guess maybe the network might apologize if they thought they were going to be sued or something. Even that would be exceedingly rare.

Chris Hayes is probably getting dressed down by his boss. Either he'll come out of the meeting chastised, but fine. Or he'll come out of there without a job, depending on how it goes down.

[hlthe2b]

92. The Hill is reporting on the backlash to Hayes now..

#FireChrisHayes trends after MSNBC host covers Biden sexual assault allegations

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/495448-firechrishayes-trends-after-msnbc-host-covers-biden-sexual-assault-allegations

[Cha]

93. Good.. I think Chris Hayes is a Creep.

If Hayes were pursuing an uncomfortable but important and credible story, one could applaud him for being willing to anger and alienate his audience in the name of truth. But this is the opposite of that. Hayes clearly put this non-credible story on the air, and incorrectly characterized it as credible, because he felt he needed to retain credibility with his core audience of anti-Democrat liberals. And because that’s a niche of people who often don’t want the truth, Hayes was lulled into thinking he could get away with misrepresenting the Biden story.

[Cha]

120. Sorry.. imv Chris Hayes is a "creep". smiling like he

ate the canary with this story.. and not the first time I've thought this.

[zak247]

95. The Left's self-righteousness

Hayes is just being self-righteous here, he's sensitive to the allegation that the left is hypocritical.

This should serve to balance the scale in the sometimes overdone me too movement which is healthy but abused.

The only thing that can help the P____ grabber in chief, Trump win is the self-righteousness
of the left. Also, the Bernie bros are to a great degree behind this hoping for some miracle Biden collapse and Bernie revival.

They are playing on the left’s innate self-righteousness and guilt complex.

I usually DON’T get involved with sex allegations because mostly they can’t be proven one way or the other and only serve to smear people who are accused. LET IT BE PROVEN BEFORE YOU SMEAR PEOPLE! THE LEFT NEEDS TO LEARN TO BE FAIR!!!!

The left needs to learn to have as much respect for an accused as they have for the accuser. Of course, the right and Trump supporters are all hypocrites and just want revenge for Kavanah or to help Trump

I AM SENSITIVE TO THIS BECAUSE I WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF SOMETHING( threatening my boss on the job...) and almost lost my job over it and was exonerated in a union hearing.

ITS AN ALLEGATION. And it's NOT a strong one! And, Biden may be innocent or guilty but IT CANT BE PROVEN at this point it’s a 40-year-old case.

So, it’s irrelevant!

If Trump wants to bring it up, well then he had over 40 allegations of sexual abuse and rape against him.

As for Chris Hayes, I’ll never understand why he’s even on TV as well a geek like Anderson Cooper of CNN, the CIA intern. They're both boring and very weak intellectually.

Hayes is running interference for the Bernie bros who are behind a lot of this anti-Biden sex-allegations just so he can collapse and Bernie can take the job instead.

We on the left should double our support for Biden. He's not perfect, no one is, but compared to Trump he's Abe Lincoln, George Washington, and Barack Obama all in one!

[Blue_true]

113. Generally, when a person does what Reade accuses Biden of doing, there are typically many

other victims. He story keeps changing and no other woman has come forward to say something close happened to her.

[Gothmog]

107. twitter has been fun on the #FireChrisHayes hashtag

I am amused to see the type of people supporting Hayes including Cenk and a number of trumpsters.

[Cha]

127. Of course cenk is & Magats support hayes. I was looking for #Fire

chris hayes.. I'll google it.

They're saying "Biden supporters demand chris hayes to be Fired for covering the story".. but that's not true.. it's the WAY Hayes covered the damn story.

[Gothmog]

129. TYT, Cenk, Peter Daou and the MAGATs have all joined foces to defend Chris Hayes

You can tell a great deal by looking at the people defending Hayes

[Cha]

132. Exactly and So Predictable.. peter daou is a gaslighting

troll.. along with the rest of them.. They have 0 cred.

Link to tweet

"Not a current WH staffer".. with many thousands of followers..

[Gothmog]

160. I agree with Joy Reid

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Gothmog]

161. I agree with Joy Reid

Link to tweet

?s=20

[oasis]

128. Lock him out!

Journalists Only

[Gothmog]

130. Do you believe that Tara Reade's claim would have shown up during that vetting if true?

Link to tweet

[wyldwolf]

156. Never liked Hayes, anyway.

He reminds of too many young "progressives" who think they're the smartest person in the room, when in fact they're not even close. He has an agenda, and he's never learned to hide his preferences the way his infinitely smarter and more professional colleague Rachel Maddow has.

[Cha]

162. Well described, wyldwolf.

All his "work" didn't help his candidate.. he should have learned something.

[SoonerPride]

163. MSNBC IS NOT OUR FRIEND AND THEY ARE NOT A LIBERAL NETWORK

They just aren't.

Stop watching them.

They suck.

[shanti]

174. If Rachel leaves

then I'll leave. Rachel doesn't kiss anyone's ass at MSNBC. She has called them out before and she's still there.

[Gothmog]

168. Chris Hayes needs to be fired

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

170. Hayes needs to go

Link to tweet

[napi21]

172. If theree are enough viewers that share their opinions with MSNBC, he'll be gone. MSNBC doesn't

play around with whether to keep a show host or not. If they smell viewer dislike that host is gone! Just think of all the hosts who suddenly disappeared, the most recent is Tweety.

[Gothmog]

175. Thank you @JoyAnnReid for being brave enough to say what is really going on

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

176. Is the firing of the head of NBC news related to the #FireChrisHayes protests?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Cha]

178. I hope that's part of it.. Hayes needs to be held

Accountable.

[Stuart G]

177. Chris Hayes will be gone by Sunday, maybe tomorrow Friday...

He is gone, lost, stupid, and will be fired soon. Take that one to the bank..