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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:22 AM Apr 2020

Trump is trying to sell the story that the pandemic is all but over.

That, however, won't wash. People will know better than that. Local media will continue to cover the COVID-19 story as it affects local communities, and the national media will continue to cover it, as well.

Only FOX News and Trump's moron base will believe him.

Trump is trying to "wash his hands" of this thing.

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Trump is trying to sell the story that the pandemic is all but over. (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2020 OP
Excess Deaths show there is under-counting. Esp Florida where it is state policy to undercount. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #1
There will be much under-counting in this epidemic. MineralMan Apr 2020 #4
+1 pandr32 Apr 2020 #62
The FL governor is working hard to catch up with NYC. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2020 #5
Florida and Texas are obviously full of bullshit. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #50
These drinks of bleach on the rocks are great! RKP5637 Apr 2020 #2
Last step... Takket Apr 2020 #3
Lemon scented or new Berry Blast flavor? Initech Apr 2020 #8
I'll try the new Berry Blast flavor, please! Sounds good! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2020 #12
Breaking: Connoisseur's Orange-Tangerine edition denem Apr 2020 #32
Now that, looks really really good! And promoted by the Orange Man! Who could go wrong! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2020 #35
But wait there's more. The $2,800 vintage comes complete denem Apr 2020 #41
Does that come in a double-wide, for the Orange One himself? lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #51
Laughed at that one. EarnestPutz Apr 2020 #53
I prefer the texture of the Splash-less variety. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #46
Yeah, I like the kick ethanol gives you!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2020 #49
Yup, the episode is over and it's on to next week's wacky adventure! Initech Apr 2020 #6
Problem is that it's not over at all. Trump can't make it so. MineralMan Apr 2020 #10
The September second wave will seal his fate. LuckyLib Apr 2020 #65
That is SO going to come back and bite him Maeve Apr 2020 #7
Exactly. MineralMan Apr 2020 #11
Oh, yeah, at 1,000, 1,500, 2,000 deaths per day, that'll work . . . hatrack Apr 2020 #9
Soon, he'll probably try a major distracting action. MineralMan Apr 2020 #13
Tee-Vee War - a timeless American classic! hatrack Apr 2020 #15
Could be this is it: Mariana Apr 2020 #64
That dog won't hunt SoonerPride Apr 2020 #14
some things cant be spun. mopinko Apr 2020 #16
Somehow, it was spun maxrandb Apr 2020 #20
You're right. MineralMan Apr 2020 #18
I agree. Solly Mack Apr 2020 #17
Yes. He's using Kushner as his lead man on this. MineralMan Apr 2020 #22
The people who will really believe that are beyond redemption. Brother Mythos Apr 2020 #19
And the governors follow him like so many lemmings world wide wally Apr 2020 #21
Some of them, anyway. MineralMan Apr 2020 #23
Straight out of Corporate PR Crisis Management: Deny, deflect, distract, disavow bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #24
Straight out of old-school PR Crisis Management, anyhow. MineralMan Apr 2020 #26
Trump cannot sell SH*T. Stuart G Apr 2020 #25
I tend to agree with you. MineralMan Apr 2020 #27
Yep, and not fooled Apr 2020 #58
And the second wave will be fake news? IronLionZion Apr 2020 #28
Well, it will be called fake news, no doubt. MineralMan Apr 2020 #30
I say we follow the example of the people in Italy. They were hit hard with deaths and are now c-rational Apr 2020 #29
The USA is a big, unwieldy nation. MineralMan Apr 2020 #31
In states with Republican governors NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #33
I don't think stories related to this can be effectively suppressed. MineralMan Apr 2020 #34
They've been ordering that cause of death NewJeffCT Apr 2020 #59
Yup Johnny2X2X Apr 2020 #36
Exactly. It won't work, though, in Trump's favor. MineralMan Apr 2020 #39
I know of over 61,000 plus their families and friends who might beg to differ w/Donnie Two Scoops. marble falls Apr 2020 #37
Yes, and there will be many more to come. MineralMan Apr 2020 #38
That's the sad truth of it. I can hear traffic again from the main road and its not a good sign. marble falls Apr 2020 #40
Yes. I'm noticing more traffic on local roads. MineralMan Apr 2020 #42
Kinda looks like the model for the period just before second wave of the Great Flu Pandemic ... marble falls Apr 2020 #47
Well, I'm back from my gas and cigarette run. MineralMan Apr 2020 #54
And also probably not for the guest of honor at the funeral, either, but for different reasons. marble falls Apr 2020 #60
April 2nd, a little over 5,000 deaths in US due to CV-19. April 30th: 61,000+ dead. iluvtennis Apr 2020 #43
Yes, and it's going to keep rising. MineralMan Apr 2020 #55
People will also still know people getting sick and dying Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #44
he thinks because the number of deaths in NY is coming down that it's all better now Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #45
I keep hearing sirens Skittles Apr 2020 #48
There have been three paramedic trucks with fire trucks MineralMan Apr 2020 #56
GOP silence and complicity tells me that they see a way through all of this. Russia, wiggs Apr 2020 #52
In another couple weeks, gab13by13 Apr 2020 #57
The Fed Ordered 100K Body Bags McKim Apr 2020 #61
It's just disgusting that the Feds can order body bags, but not PPE and swabs for testing. iluvtennis Apr 2020 #66
Let's not forget the powerful wealthy that are benefiting BarbD Apr 2020 #63

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
4. There will be much under-counting in this epidemic.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:30 AM
Apr 2020

That's the reason we're not doing extensive testing, really. The federal government, led by Trump, doesn't want those numbers out there. Trump doesn't want real statistics on the disease, because they would hurt him politically.

Here's the thing, though: Trump is wrong about the entire thing. The truth will destroy him, as his policies lead to a rising death toll for the disease.

Magoo48

(4,701 posts)
50. Florida and Texas are obviously full of bullshit.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:53 AM
Apr 2020

With a few states reporting fairly honestly, it’s easy to calculate who is full of shit. That said, real stupid is gonna remain really stupid.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
46. I prefer the texture of the Splash-less variety.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:44 AM
Apr 2020

Goes down so smoothly.

But my favorite disinfectant so far is ethanol. I like the side-effects.

Initech

(100,060 posts)
6. Yup, the episode is over and it's on to next week's wacky adventure!
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:31 AM
Apr 2020

Now to haul ass to Lollapalooza!

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
10. Problem is that it's not over at all. Trump can't make it so.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:33 AM
Apr 2020

He thinks he can blow smoke (and light) up people's arses. He can't. The truth will out, as more and more people experience the grief of losing someone they love to the virus.

He's taking a risky gamble, and it's one with the odds heavily against him.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
15. Tee-Vee War - a timeless American classic!
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:38 AM
Apr 2020

Things go BOOM on the tee-vee as we blow up Teh Evul real goodlike!!

Take that, terrorist/socialist/communist/libtard/feminazi!

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
64. Could be this is it:
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:21 PM
Apr 2020
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 12304 of title 10, United States Code, and having determined that it is necessary to augment the regular Armed Forces of the United States for a named operational mission, specifically the “Enhanced Department of Defense Counternarcotic Operation in the Western Hemisphere,” I hereby order as follows:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-ordering-selected-reserve-armed-forces-active-duty/

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
14. That dog won't hunt
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:37 AM
Apr 2020

You can't ignore 75,000 dead

You can't ignore 100,000 dead

You can't ignore 150,000 dead

You can't ignore 250,000 dead

The bodies will pile up by election day and there is nowhere to hide them

Pretending they don't exist won't work.

maxrandb

(15,318 posts)
20. Somehow, it was spun
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:47 AM
Apr 2020

That this fucking moron should even be within 1,000,000,000 miles of the oval office.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
18. You're right.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:40 AM
Apr 2020

And, if people stop doing all the things they've been doing to protect themselves and others, the death toll will increase at an accelerating rate. It slowed down, due to all of the cautionary actions. If those stop, it will rapidly increase.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
17. I agree.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:39 AM
Apr 2020

He is rearview mirroring it. Kushner more or less declared mission accomplished. And we all know how that worked out when Shrub did it.

More death. Years and years of bad. The "mission" was not completed. Nothing of value was accomplished. Just a bullshit, feel-good phrase meant to shape a narrative.

Brother Mythos

(1,442 posts)
19. The people who will really believe that are beyond redemption.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:45 AM
Apr 2020

The same goes for those who won't believe it, but will say that they do.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
23. Some of them, anyway.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:52 AM
Apr 2020

There are several states with Governors who will do whatever he wants. Others will never do what he wants.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
24. Straight out of Corporate PR Crisis Management: Deny, deflect, distract, disavow
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM
Apr 2020

Catching the virus is not an immediate threat to anyone because you won't know you're sick for a week!!

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
26. Straight out of old-school PR Crisis Management, anyhow.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:59 AM
Apr 2020

COVID-19 doesn't kill most people who catch it. Just a small percentage. However, its impact is huge, since everyone will soon know someone who died from it. Trump doesn't recognize that factor, because he cares for nobody but himself. A lot of powerful people have that blind spot.

A lot of people are being very careful about following guidelines designed to protect themselves. Trump's claque, however, eschews such precautions. Because of that, they will be among the first to fall. Trump is going to learn that his arrogance and lack of concern is going to kill a higher percentage of his supporters than those who do not support him.

Trump is a stupid, stupid man.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
25. Trump cannot sell SH*T.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:56 AM
Apr 2020

...As you said..." it won't wash, .... "people know better than that"

Trump's selling days are over. No one will buy anything or any ideas from him. Trump has set a standard for #1 Liar, that will never be surpassed. Trump can try, but his career as a salesman is over. (except to some very, very stupid people, and they will buy anything from anyone)

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
58. Yep, and
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:32 PM
Apr 2020

his con artistry ever worked only on a certain percentage of the population--those susceptible to hucksters or who for whatever reason wanted to believe his B.S.

Now he's faced with trying to con the entire electorate after they've seen his incompetence and malfeasance. Won't work in a fair election--his only hope is that the GOPee working with putin manage to steal enough votes.

IronLionZion

(45,412 posts)
28. And the second wave will be fake news?
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:01 AM
Apr 2020

Interesting to see how they spin it hitting the red states that opened earliest.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
30. Well, it will be called fake news, no doubt.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:04 AM
Apr 2020

Problem is that this disease will have an impact on a large segment of the population by the time a vaccine or truly effective treatments are widely available.

On a local basis, it will be news everywhere. That will make it news nationally, as well, as more and more people keep dying.

Trump is misreading this and doing so very badly. He thinks everything is business as usual, when it's really very, very unusual indeed. COVID-19 is a global game-changer, and Trump will not see the changes coming, as usual.

c-rational

(2,590 posts)
29. I say we follow the example of the people in Italy. They were hit hard with deaths and are now
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:03 AM
Apr 2020

demanding answers (the newscasters last night did not say they were out for blood yet). The Dumpster tried to play this penny wise and pound foolish, i.e. no testing hoping it would go away. As we learn more about how the rest of this world dealt with the virus, my hope is Americans will also demand answers as to how the greatest country on the planet got caught so flatfooted.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
31. The USA is a big, unwieldy nation.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:06 AM
Apr 2020

We don't react as quickly as smaller nations do. There's a lag. However, we're about to come up against reality hard pretty soon. It won't be pretty for those currently in power, I suspect.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
33. In states with Republican governors
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:16 AM
Apr 2020

news of additional outbreaks will be vigorously suppressed - especially in swing states like Texas, Florida, Georgia and Arizona. If an outbreak happens in a blue state and/or a state with a republican governor (Hogan in MD), Trump and the RW echo chamber will blast them for doing a lousy job.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
34. I don't think stories related to this can be effectively suppressed.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:18 AM
Apr 2020

I truly don't. I'm sure that will be tried, but it will fail.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
59. They've been ordering that cause of death
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:44 PM
Apr 2020

not be reported or investigated in Florida. Some newspapers are trying to dig into the story, but I'm not aware of a mass rebellion from hospitals and other medical centers in Florida about this.

Then, DeSantis goes on air with Trump and brags about how well Florida is doing.

Johnny2X2X

(19,027 posts)
36. Yup
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:23 AM
Apr 2020

Could see this coming a mile away. They're ready to claim victory when tens of thousands of Americans will die in the coming weeks at minimum.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
39. Exactly. It won't work, though, in Trump's favor.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:30 AM
Apr 2020

This is bigger than he recognizes. He might be able to fool himself, but we're out here living it.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
38. Yes, and there will be many more to come.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:29 AM
Apr 2020

Before long, everyone will know or be related to someone who has died or been very seriously ill with COVID-19.

That can't be covered up by anyone. Trump doesn't know that, though. He has zero empathy with anyone. He feels nothing.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
42. Yes. I'm noticing more traffic on local roads.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:37 AM
Apr 2020

I haven't been out on the Interstates, though, since this started.

I have to go out shortly to gas up the car and pick up a couple of things. I'll see how things look while I'm out.

People are venturing out again, I think. They're getting fatigued with the isolation. Here in Minnesota, we're sort of used to that in the winter months, but now that things are warming up, cabin fever is setting in.

I'm planning to keep right on isolating, though, and practicing maximum caution when I must venture out.

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
47. Kinda looks like the model for the period just before second wave of the Great Flu Pandemic ...
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:47 AM
Apr 2020

I'm beginning to enter our third month. My student painters want to look at restarting our classes, but I don't think that even in masks and gloves it sounds like a good idea. They're mostly even older than me.

I need to see another month with no second wave to even consider it seriously. I'm not sure or little neck of the woods has even had a complete first wave, yet. We've had eight cases, no deaths in the first two months but we've had two more in the last week or so - one from the Burger King drive through window and one from the Starbucks counter.

We've been lucky and I am gambler enough to know there is no sort of luck one can count on.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
54. Well, I'm back from my gas and cigarette run.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:14 PM
Apr 2020

Traffic is still very light here in the northeastern corner of St. Paul, MN. However going home, I saw a funeral procession traveling the opposite way. I didn't know they were having actual funerals here, but I counted about 25 cars full of mourners. Not a good thing.

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
43. April 2nd, a little over 5,000 deaths in US due to CV-19. April 30th: 61,000+ dead.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:40 AM
Apr 2020

That's a 12-fold/1200% increase in the number of people who were on this earth in January and are no longer here.

Let that sink in.



(For 70 days - trump did nothing to mitigation the coronovirus)

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
55. Yes, and it's going to keep rising.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:16 PM
Apr 2020

Many areas that were slow to become infected are now heading for their peaks. It's way to early to start relaxing precautions, I believe.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
44. People will also still know people getting sick and dying
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:41 AM
Apr 2020

No amount (or lack) of media coverage will be able to stop that. When more and more people see less and less of their friends, family members, etc. getting sick with COVID and/or dying from it, they'll know that this is blowing over. Not before.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
45. he thinks because the number of deaths in NY is coming down that it's all better now
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:42 AM
Apr 2020

The idiot is to stupid to realize the numbers are coming down BECAUSE we are closed down. Frankly, no matter what he says, I don 't see the North East opening anytime soon.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
48. I keep hearing sirens
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:52 AM
Apr 2020

with more people at home there is less crime and less traffic so why are there more sirens

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
56. There have been three paramedic trucks with fire trucks
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:17 PM
Apr 2020

pass by my house in a residential area of St. Paul in the past two weeks. That's way more than usual.

wiggs

(7,811 posts)
52. GOP silence and complicity tells me that they see a way through all of this. Russia,
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:59 AM
Apr 2020

Ukraine, Saudis, pandemic, caging of children, emoluments, incompetence, corruption, payoffs, treachery...they think, along with a fair number of americans, that none of this matters as along as they control the headlines, history books, narrative, campaign money, who votes and who doesn't, the DOJ, SCOTUS, senate, the reins (and reigns) of government, war footing, etc etc.

I don't doubt they have a plan...not that Trump has the ability to come up with something on his own but he has the world's oligarchs at his disposal as well as the Senate and its majority leader. And they have advisors even more dastardly than Karl Rove. They know how to use Trump's only talents: fluffing himself up without regard to the truth, avoiding shame, and pissing on everyone else.

If the GOP leaders really didn't think they will survive this I'm sure they would have bailed by now, publicly.

gab13by13

(21,295 posts)
57. In another couple weeks,
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:21 PM
Apr 2020

Georgia, Florida, and Texas are going to be in a world of hurt. They didn't test, they are not ready to test for ant-bodies or ready to contact trace. Plus, 25% of Texans have no health insurance.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
61. The Fed Ordered 100K Body Bags
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:57 PM
Apr 2020

The Fed ordered 100K Body Bags recently and it shows they CAN plan ahead and they recognize the scale of the coming wave......this is all to get the stock market up so the very wealth can get in to recoup losses and then get out fast!

BarbD

(1,192 posts)
63. Let's not forget the powerful wealthy that are benefiting
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:11 PM
Apr 2020

and moving the Faux conspiracy theories forward.

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