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cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:25 AM Apr 2020

Every story on how Sweden is staying open during the pandemic

without the dire results we all fear should be required to mention that Sweden is a small country with a small population where income inequality is not an issue and where anyone who is feeling unwell can receive immediate medical treatment, free. I bet in Sweden anybody who wants a test gets a test.

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jimfields33

(15,642 posts)
2. True but they won't have major cuts like those other countries.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:29 AM
Apr 2020

No one is going to be free of this. It’s either going to result in high deaths or economical disaster.

SWBTATTReg

(22,044 posts)
3. Definitely do have a higher death rate. Thank you for mentioning this. I'm watching ...
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

Sweden a little bit, to see if their thinking of a 'herd mentality' will work. I don't think so, which is why I'm watching them. I hate to be anyone's experiment, so I hope that the powers that be, such as the idiot in the WH, doesn't let the CV 'wash' over the Country.

Scumbag. He should be hauled up before the Courts and charged w/ treason, and indifference to human life.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
4. Sweden actually is having some pretty dire results.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

Its death rate is 256 per million population while that of its neighbors Norway and Finland, with similar demographics, economies and health care systems, is 38 per million for both countries. Sweden had 790 new cases yesterday while Norway had 28 and Finland had 89. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Sweden's population is about twice Norway's and Finland's, so you could double those numbers but they would still be vastly lower than Sweden's. The only significant difference is that Norway and Finland imposed restrictions and Sweden didn't.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
5. The numbers for Sweden aren't great, they surely aren't a role model
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:36 AM
Apr 2020

and it's not like everybody there is acting is as if nothing has changed. I think the Government proposed guidelines as well, they are just not as strict in implementing them.
This is also a question of population density. Stockholm seems to be hit pretty hard in relative terms.

ismnotwasm

(41,952 posts)
6. They are gambling on herd immunity
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:36 AM
Apr 2020

They are experiencing more deaths, but think less deaths later on will pay off.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. It also isn't chock full of dumb yahoos whining about their freedumbs and protesting with AR-15s
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:47 AM
Apr 2020

strapped to their bodies on the steps of City Hall, etc.

It's also not filled to brim with people who believe in Faith Healing and CT whackadoodles and anti-vaxxers and that ilk who think it's all just a big gubmint conspiracy and/or GAWD will protect them.

IOW, they tell the population there's this problem, and this is what they should be doing about it, and the people believe the government and scientists and public health professionals and much more reliably do what's being recommended w/o there having to be laws and regulations ... vs. what would happen in the USA w/o those rules being imposed legally.

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,300 posts)
9. Sweden's numbers are pretty bad and a main reason is because it's staying open.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:49 AM
Apr 2020

There is also quite a bit of access inequality between immigrants and native Swedes.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
11. I hate to say this
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:52 AM
Apr 2020

but I'm really glad to learn from all these reply posts that their "experiment" is failing.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,300 posts)
12. "I bet in Sweden anybody who wants a test gets a test." Nope.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 11:55 AM
Apr 2020

It's actually really, really difficult to get tested. Only hospitalized patients and people who work in health/direct care and who are suspected to have it are tested.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
13. Its testing rate is even worse than ours -
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

11,833 tests per million population vs. the US' rate of 18,617 per million, and neighbor Norway's rate of 31,197 tests per million. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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