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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 12:51 PM Apr 2020

Coronavirus model predicts 100,000 Americans dead by the end of this summer

A top coronavirus model is predicting that 100,000 Americans will have died from COVID-19 by the end of the summer - as the US death toll surpasses President Donald Trump's best case scenario of 60,000 deaths.

The MOBS model from the Network Science Institute at Northeastern University also estimates that there will be about 89,000 deaths by mid-May if stay-at-home orders remain in place.

As of Wednesday, the US death toll is now at 61,000 and there are more than one million infections across the country.

The rising death toll means coronavirus could soon be deadlier than any flu season since 1967.

America's worst flu season in recent years was in 2017-2018 when more than 61,000 people died, according to the CDC. The only deadlier flu seasons were in 1967 when about 100,000 Americans died, 1957 when 116,000 died and the Spanish flu of 1918 when 675,000 died.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8273607/Top-COVID-19-model-predicts-100-000-dead-end-summer.html

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Coronavirus model predicts 100,000 Americans dead by the end of this summer (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2020 OP
we're over 60k now rampartc Apr 2020 #1
omg, "if stay-at-home orders remain in place." uponit7771 Apr 2020 #2
They are already being lifted. LisaL Apr 2020 #21
What's The Deal With These Models? sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #3
If? - We Know Today That For Many Red States - The Stay-At-Home Orders Are Being.... global1 Apr 2020 #4
If stay-at-home continues, then the exit tail is as small as the entry tail (symmetrical). Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #5
I don't think we have enough data for accurate models. We don't have an accurate death count now. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #20
Chump will keep moving the goal posts. If we keep it under 10 million it will be a win. kairos12 Apr 2020 #6
Over 100,000 already if tests were available JT45242 Apr 2020 #7
The date of the Summer Solstice this year is June 20. Mariana Apr 2020 #8
Actually, at roughly 2000 a day CanonRay Apr 2020 #9
Could be as of end of May at current rate beachbumbob Apr 2020 #10
Reality is we may already be over 100,000 ThoughtCriminal Apr 2020 #11
Yes, the private nursing homes and "assisted living" centers are especially precarious FakeNoose Apr 2020 #19
Over the last eight days, JHU data shows on average 2K US deaths a day nitpicker Apr 2020 #12
I have no idea where it goes from there nitpicker Apr 2020 #14
Let's hope the death rate declines? Dem2 Apr 2020 #13
An Important Data Point In Your Snip ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #15
We're on a pace now to hit 100K by mid-June FakeNoose Apr 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Apr 2020 #17
Easily. Squinch Apr 2020 #18

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
3. What's The Deal With These Models?
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:00 PM
Apr 2020

I think we're going to be over 100K BEFORE the end of May, not the end of summer.

The study anticipates 89K deaths by mid-May, IF stay-at-home orders remain in place? But it will take the until September to add another 11K?

global1

(25,241 posts)
4. If? - We Know Today That For Many Red States - The Stay-At-Home Orders Are Being....
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:04 PM
Apr 2020

relaxed and ended. How does re-opening impact on the projections?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
5. If stay-at-home continues, then the exit tail is as small as the entry tail (symmetrical).
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:17 PM
Apr 2020

But they won't continue. tRump and Greed Over People governors will ensure that.

Thing is, deaths lag infections by two to three weeks, because severe cases are kind of "lingering".

And it will take a few doublings among the infected populations (which spread out too) for a jump in infections to become clearer.

So, yeah, deaths could go down as infections go up, and then death trend reverses and goes up again two to three weeks from now. I think that by the end of May the trend will be clear, but then it might be very bad in Trumpistan.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
20. I don't think we have enough data for accurate models. We don't have an accurate death count now.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:09 PM
Apr 2020

Let alone months into the future.

Plus the variables are staggering.

Just a few careless people can start a cluster, which, if unchecked, could turn into major catastrophes.

JT45242

(2,262 posts)
7. Over 100,000 already if tests were available
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:20 PM
Apr 2020

My guess based on the reports of deaths over seasonal average is that my the end of this week we are at over 100,000 deaths already.

We know that by the end of march the increase in deaths over normal was already over 15,000. Given the complete lack of testing, it is likely that the number of deaths for April will be at least 25,000 over seasonal adjusted numbers. Plus, I will bet that all those people who tested positive in Florida but were snowbirds or springbreakers who are not in the Florida count slipped through the cracks everywhere.

When all is said and done, whatever the Trump WH announces is the number is likely 50% larger.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
8. The date of the Summer Solstice this year is June 20.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:25 PM
Apr 2020

I rather suspect we'll have 100,000 Americans dead of Covid-19 by the beginning of this summer.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
11. Reality is we may already be over 100,000
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020

When we look at the spike in mortality rates it is obvious that the official count is way under the actual number of deaths. Part of this may be collateral damage deaths that are not directly from COVID-19, but related due to over-burdened health-care systems, delayed treatments, etc.

FakeNoose

(32,628 posts)
19. Yes, the private nursing homes and "assisted living" centers are especially precarious
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:10 PM
Apr 2020

You have to wonder if a lot of them were even tested for Covid, especially if nobody was looking over the admin's shoulders. They probably wanted to keep it quiet for as long as possible.



nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
12. Over the last eight days, JHU data shows on average 2K US deaths a day
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:53 PM
Apr 2020

So starting at 61K this morning:

81 K by May 10
101K by May 20
121K by May 30
141K by Jun 9
161K by Jun 19 (the day before summer solstice)

I hope these numbers are greatly exaggerated.

BUT with the orange one not extending the "days to stop the spread", and people about to rush like lemmings to parks and beaches, I fear the actual numbers may exceed those shown above.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
14. I have no idea where it goes from there
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:59 PM
Apr 2020

Given that some sampling for exposure suggests up to 20-25% of downstate NYers have been exposed, this suggests that the NYC area will be starting to reach herd immunity levels ((if that exists with this disease)) by July.

BUT much of the rest of the country has had no such levels of exposure yet.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
13. Let's hope the death rate declines?
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:55 PM
Apr 2020

I sometimes wonder if it will, but I'm hopeful. Republicans seem determined to keep it high though, to their own (and ours collectively) detriment.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
15. An Important Data Point In Your Snip
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:00 PM
Apr 2020

2017-2018, 61k died of the flu. Who was president then?
The drones still bring up swine flu. 9-19,000 dead. BHO was prez for 3 MONTHS when it started.
Now, under PINO, we're already at 122,000 in 2 events, & it's still going up.
It's going be 12x more people than H1N1. Math is hard for some, I guess!

FakeNoose

(32,628 posts)
16. We're on a pace now to hit 100K by mid-June
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:03 PM
Apr 2020

Meanwhile at least a dozen of the stupider states are already talking about ending the quarantine.

So this 100K number is looking WAY too optimistic, unless summer is over by June 15th or so.



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