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Botany

(70,449 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:47 AM May 2020

On the C-19 outbreak: Now China made mistakes and was less then honest but they:

1) Isolated the virus and sequenced the C-19's genome in late November of early December.

2) They turned that information over to the W.H.O. and the W.H.O. passed that information
onto German scientists who used it to make a very good test for the disease. Trump refused
to use that test and now we and much of the world are dealing with a killer pandemic. That
very same test from the W.H.O./Germany was used to great success in Germany, Finland,
New Zealand, and Australia to help contain the disease.

Both Trump and Kushner knew of C-19 in November of 2019 and what did they do to help
get the country ready for the coming Pandemic? They invested in Hydroxycholorquine and
their own C-!9 test kits so they could make money from the disease.

Trump and Kushner also sent 18 tons of PPE to China in Feb. and that PPE equipment would
have protected doctors, nurses, and 1st responders form getting sick and in some cases dying
from C-19.

Trump is trying to blame China for his screw up.

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On the C-19 outbreak: Now China made mistakes and was less then honest but they: (Original Post) Botany May 2020 OP
This needs to be repeated over and over malaise May 2020 #1
China isolated and sequenced the genome of the virus and passed it onto the W.H.O.. Botany May 2020 #4
Meanwhile China is re-opening malaise May 2020 #6
+1 crickets May 2020 #15
China didn't "make some mistakes" Drahthaardogs May 2020 #2
Guess they locked up those Latin American kids in cages as well malaise May 2020 #7
Are you seriously defending China? Drahthaardogs May 2020 #9
I am not defending any country malaise May 2020 #10
By that logic EllieBC May 2020 #16
China Did Not Do Too Bad At All, Sir The Magistrate May 2020 #3
Does anybody have an estimate of the true deaths in china Blues Heron May 2020 #5
I find myself telling Republicans "if China jumped off a bridge..." frequently Clash City Rocker May 2020 #8
+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #17
How dare you accuse China of being less than honest? Tertullian May 2020 #11
Really? Calculating May 2020 #18
It's deflection and diversion, plain and simple... Wounded Bear May 2020 #12
Exactly. The chronology of his indifference and dereliction of duty is well documented. dalton99a May 2020 #14
Blaming China without iron clad evidence is a bad idea. roamer65 May 2020 #13
Because China has been negligent in not shutting down their wet markets Calculating May 2020 #19
The wet markets should be banned. roamer65 May 2020 #20
That's a bit mangled. Igel May 2020 #21

Botany

(70,449 posts)
4. China isolated and sequenced the genome of the virus and passed it onto the W.H.O..
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:56 AM
May 2020

Trump is trying to shift the blame in his role in this nightmare. Including the multiple
warnings he and his administration had starting in Jan. of 2017 and how he either fired
or cut the funding of scientists who were on the ground in China including Wuhan looking
for coronaviruses that might cause a global pandemic.

This shit is on him.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
2. China didn't "make some mistakes"
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:52 AM
May 2020

China tried to hide this shit, just like Donnie boy. They quit releasing their numbers, and the wet markets and their insatiable appetite for their "traditional medicine" is a plague on the world's people and wildlife.

The country is guilty of terrible human right violations from forced abortions to Tiannenmen Square.

Does that excuse Trump? Oh hell no. Does China suck? Unequivocally yes!

malaise

(268,724 posts)
7. Guess they locked up those Latin American kids in cages as well
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:07 AM
May 2020

Ask the Iraqis about human rights - they may tell you about depleted uranium. Ask the people who watched their governments overthrown by the US. Look all the fucking world powers violate human rights at will.
Until we all accept facts, we will never clean up this mess.

Now the Con is doing to the US what the US did to others. ReTHUGs don't even want Americans to have the right to vote.

Pay attention please. The - they are evil and wicked meme and the US is the bastion of freedom and democracy no longer works. There are many wicked interests on this planet.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
9. Are you seriously defending China?
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:25 AM
May 2020

A country with "death rooms" for unwanted baby girls to freeze and starve to death?

EllieBC

(2,990 posts)
16. By that logic
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:48 AM
May 2020

I assume no one can criticize anyone ever. Easy out.

I’m not giving Xi a pass on this. He started the fucking up and the rest of the world followed.

The Magistrate

(95,243 posts)
3. China Did Not Do Too Bad At All, Sir
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:54 AM
May 2020

No worse than we have done, and have at least the excuse of the thing being new and unknown....

Blues Heron

(5,926 posts)
5. Does anybody have an estimate of the true deaths in china
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:58 AM
May 2020

assuming their published numbers are BS. Is it twice what they say? 5 times? ten? 100?

Clash City Rocker

(3,390 posts)
8. I find myself telling Republicans "if China jumped off a bridge..." frequently
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:08 AM
May 2020

I’m not sure why they think China doing badly somehow excuses Trump’s behavior. It’s like talking to a five year old to have a political conversation with one of those fools.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
17. +1
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:06 PM
May 2020

Exactly. Trump still had TWO months to prepare. And cut us off at our kneecaps due to negative actions he had already taken.

Tertullian

(46 posts)
11. How dare you accuse China of being less than honest?
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:47 AM
May 2020

Perhaps the information flow from them was not as comprehensive as your personal standard for such, but, don't negatively characterize the whole country for that. That's borderline Racism.

China did everything humanly possible, and, we are going to need China in the years to come, so, the time to embrace China and reinforce our friendship with them is now. We need Biden or Hillary to be POTUS because they will repair Trump's damage to US/China relations.

Yes, I agree that Trump is shamefully blaming China. Of course, what happened to the USA is all Trump's fault and we need to amplify this talking point.

The best question now: Why is Trump constantly attacking China and trying to hurt China?

It's well-known that the USA itself funded and promoted research into Coronavirus manipulation. Why is China the "bad guy" here?

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
18. Really?
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:09 PM
May 2020

How can you defend China here? Their government is evil as a matter of fact. They have no freedom and a government guilty of horrific human rights violations.

Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
12. It's deflection and diversion, plain and simple...
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:49 AM
May 2020

Sure, China is not blameless for what happened between Nov and Jan, but everything Feb and beyond is on Trump.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
13. Blaming China without iron clad evidence is a bad idea.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:49 AM
May 2020

What happens when a virus originates in the USA? I don’t think we want to open this Pandora’s box of blame.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
19. Because China has been negligent in not shutting down their wet markets
Fri May 1, 2020, 12:11 PM
May 2020

Hell, I've heard they already have them opening back up. These disgusting open wildlife markets spawn pandemics and are driving endangered species extinct, but the government won't shut them down. That's on them.

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