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Celerity

(43,240 posts)
Sun May 3, 2020, 09:52 AM May 2020

The Covid-19 Riddle: Why Does the Virus Wallop Some Places and Spare Others?

Experts are trying to figure out why the coronavirus is so capricious. The answers could determine how to best protect ourselves and how long we have to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/world/asia/coronavirus-spread-where-why.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Iraqi border agents at the Zurbatiya border crossing with Iran. On the other side lies the largest epicenter of the virus in the Middle East. On the Iraqi side, there are relatively few cases. Credit...Ivor Prickett for The New York Times


The coronavirus has killed so many people in Iran that the country has resorted to mass burials, but in neighboring Iraq, the body count is fewer than 100. The Dominican Republic has reported nearly 7,600 cases of the virus. Just across the border, Haiti has recorded about 85. In Indonesia, thousands are believed to have died of the coronavirus. In nearby Malaysia, a strict lockdown has kept fatalities to about 100.

The coronavirus has touched almost every country on earth, but its impact has seemed capricious. Global metropolises like New York, Paris and London have been devastated, while teeming cities like Bangkok, Baghdad, New Delhi and Lagos have, so far, largely been spared. The question of why the virus has overwhelmed some places and left others relatively untouched is a puzzle that has spawned numerous theories and speculations but no definitive answers. That knowledge could have profound implications for how countries respond to the virus, for determining who is at risk and for knowing when it’s safe to go out again.

There are already hundreds of studies underway around the world looking into how demographics, pre-existing conditions and genetics might affect the wide variation in impact. Doctors in Saudi Arabia are studying whether genetic differences may help explain varying levels of severity in Covid-19 cases among Saudi Arabs, while scientists in Brazil are looking into the relationship between genetics and Covid-19 complications. Teams in multiple countries are studying if common hypertension medications might worsen the disease’s severity and whether a particular tuberculosis vaccine might do the opposite.

Many developing nations with hot climates and young populations have escaped the worst, suggesting that temperature and demographics could be factors. But countries like Peru, Indonesia and Brazil, tropical countries in the throes of growing epidemics, throw cold water on that idea. Draconian social-distancing and early lockdown measures have clearly been effective, but Myanmar and Cambodia did neither and have reported few cases. One theory that is unproven but impossible to refute: maybe the virus just hasn’t gotten to those countries yet. Russia and Turkey appeared to be fine until, suddenly, they were not.


Disinfecting streets in Yogyakarta, Indonesia, in mid-March.Credit...Ulet Ifansasti for The New York Times

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The Covid-19 Riddle: Why Does the Virus Wallop Some Places and Spare Others? (Original Post) Celerity May 2020 OP
Population density seems to make a big difference in the USA. MineralMan May 2020 #1
Population density Tenngal May 2020 #3
Actually snowybirdie May 2020 #6
Tennessee has way more than that. cwydro May 2020 #10
And sadly how they move around. whistler162 May 2020 #11
Yes. Exactly. MineralMan May 2020 #12
Tourism to Dominican Republic vs. Haiti exboyfil May 2020 #2
Small things seem to make a big difference spinbaby May 2020 #4
Why has no one snowybirdie May 2020 #5
South Korea has a low testing rate but also an extremely low death rate Celerity May 2020 #9
People who grow up in squalor and survive have stronger immune systems... Wounded Bear May 2020 #7
density and travel. Why New York City got hit so hard beachbumbob May 2020 #8
 

Tenngal

(19 posts)
3. Population density
Sun May 3, 2020, 10:10 AM
May 2020

Yes we live in TN. We have 5 active cases. The most cases in TN are around the Nashville area and now the prisons where testing has started and inflates the numbers.

snowybirdie

(5,221 posts)
6. Actually
Sun May 3, 2020, 10:33 AM
May 2020

The Tennessee Department of Health announced there are at least 12,661 reported cases of the coronavirus in the state as of Saturday afternoon, up from 11,891 on Friday. At least 1,125 people have been hospitalized, and 5,718 have recovered so far

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
10. Tennessee has way more than that.
Sun May 3, 2020, 11:25 AM
May 2020

I live in a mostly rural county in NC, and the cases are continuing to jump.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
11. And sadly how they move around.
Sun May 3, 2020, 11:31 AM
May 2020

Isn't Los Angeles a very car centric area versus New York City which is very mass transit centric.

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
12. Yes. Exactly.
Sun May 3, 2020, 11:33 AM
May 2020

NYC is a subway and walking city, with crowded trains and sidewalks. It's also a city of apartment dwellers, who must share elevators and common areas in buildings. It's a mess when it comes to epidemics.

Los Angeles is exactly the opposite, with people traveling from home to work in cars, typically with just one person in them. People in that area tend to live in houses, although there are tons of apartments buildings there, too.

Good points!

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
4. Small things seem to make a big difference
Sun May 3, 2020, 10:25 AM
May 2020

Population density.
Population mobility.
Population age and health.
Face masks.
Are greetings kisses, handshakes, or bows?
Even ventilation systems factor into the equation.

And, of course, testing and contact tracing.

snowybirdie

(5,221 posts)
5. Why has no one
Sun May 3, 2020, 10:31 AM
May 2020

mentioned the back of testing either on purpose or because of lack of testing abilities? Do we really believe TN has so few cases, or that Iraq doesn't have a problem? This article has a lot of holes in it. NY Times needs to do better.

Celerity

(43,240 posts)
9. South Korea has a low testing rate but also an extremely low death rate
Sun May 3, 2020, 11:23 AM
May 2020


compare their testing rates (and the death rates) to the highest (I ignore most microstates, other than Iceland, and I ignore the ME, other than Israel, as I do not trust the ME data) testing nations

these are in descending order in terms of testing per million pops

















Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
7. People who grow up in squalor and survive have stronger immune systems...
Sun May 3, 2020, 10:36 AM
May 2020


Notice how in "modern" countries, population density has an accelerating effect?
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
8. density and travel. Why New York City got hit so hard
Sun May 3, 2020, 10:49 AM
May 2020

lots of people travel overseas as well other places, high density. Perfect storm

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