How do you walk into the Michigan State House with

[doc03]

an AR 15? You can't get in any county court house in Ohio with a 2" pocket knife. I had to go to a county court house in WV the guard made me take a pocket knife back to my car before I could get in.

[cilla4progress]

1. My understanding is

they overwhelmed LE.

[dware]

3. Not because they overwhelmed LE,

because it's legal in Michigan to open carry in the state capitol.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. That needs to be changed -

pronto.

[dware]

14. In full agreement.

There is no reason to be carrying weapons in any govt. building, period.

[pamdb]

23. guns in the statehouse

We had 8 years of Ricky Snyder as governor and both the House and Senate are still controlled by repubs.

[dware]

2. Because open carry is legal in Michigan,

including the Michigan State Capitol.

[doc03]

4. It legal in Ohio too but there are limits. nt

[dware]

6. It's stupid and should be repealed.

There is no, none, nyet reason to carry a weapon into a govt. building period.

[Yavin4]

33. "open carry is legal in Michigan"...for White people

Try being African American and do that shit.

[Laelth]

5. Michigan law.

Open carry is allowed on state property.

It’s that simple, really.

-Laelth

[doc03]

8. How about in a school?

[Laelth]

11. Schools are generally owned by local school districts--not the state.

But, I am no expert on Michigan law.



-Laelth

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

28. Only if you have a CPL and open carry.

Michigan has no law in regards to open carry. Its legal by default because there is no law against it.

There are 2 statues that list areas where guns cannot be carried.

One statute bans guns in banks, churches, theaters, sports arenas, courts, daycare, bars, and hospitals. CPL holders are exempt to this statute.

Michigan's CPL law bans carrying guns in schools/school property(except parking lots when parents pick up/drop off kids and it remains in the car), daycares, sports arenas, bars, churches(only without permissions, churches can ok carry), hospitals, entertainment facilities with over 2500 seats, college dorms and classrooms(only specifically dorms and classrooms), and casinos. This list applies ONLY to concealed carry, it does not apply if a person with a CPL open carries.

Due to CPL holders being exempt from the first statute, and only barred from carrying concealed in the 2nd statute, they can carry OPENLY basically everywhere in the state.

[doc03]

10. How about open carry while black on state property. nt

[Laelth]

12. That's de facto grounds for shooting to kill, afaik.

What the law says on that subject appears to be irrelevant.

-Laelth

[doc03]

16. I'll bet if a group of blacks dressed and armed like

those Trump Thugs stormed the State House that law would be changed pronto.

[dware]

24. Just like in CA when the Black Panthers carried weapons

onto the State Capitol grounds, the CA legislators passed a law against it and Gov. Reagan signed it real quick like.

[sop]

37. "Brandishing" a firearm in public is against the law in Michigan.

"Michigan Compiled Laws §750.234e prohibits individuals from willfully and knowingly brandishing a firearm in public. According to MCL §750.222(c), the term 'brandishing' as used in this statute refers to pointing, waving, or displaying a firearm with the intent to cause fear in another person. The offense of brandishing a firearm in public is a misdemeanor under Michigan law that may result in up to 90 days in jail and a fine of up to $100 upon conviction."

Openly carrying an AR-15 slung over one's shoulder while going about one's daily activities is not "brandishing." That's what most of these open carry activists have been doing up to now, and that is not illegal. However, can anyone argue these armed protesters were not "displaying a firearm with the intent to cause fear in another person."

Lawmakers in the capitol expressed tangible fear, some were even wearing kevlar vests. The capitol's Sergeant at Arms was present to provide protection. These heavily-armed protesters were acting in a confrontational manner, yelling at officials and getting right up in their faces. All while "displaying" a firearm with the express "intent to cause fear in another person."

These people cannot be allowed to break the law. This is the textbook definition of "brandishing." If it were anyone else, not a pack of white rightwing militia types, they would have been shot seconds after they refused to drop their weapons.

[Newest Reality]

7. It sure sends...

It sure sends a foreboding and threatening message about the militant terrorists in this country who are looking for a chance to act by killing their fellow Americans and who knows what other gross atrocities, by the looks of them, they would commit.

The term they use is Boogaloo. It's the code word for their civil war.

[SCantiGOP]

21. Choosing sides for Boogaloo

They get several hundred middle age slobs decked out in hunting camo as their first round pick.
We’re up next, and choose the state police SWAT team, with the fully-equipped and armed National Guard troops as backup.
Let the games begin.

[Newest Reality]

29. I agree.

I should have said "fantasy" civil war. That is for reasons you mentioned and many more, that I have mentioned in other comments. It is an inane idea, especially when the face sophisticated military weaponry. Their AR-15 will be no match at all, no many how they have.

That's why I consider them a threat to the civilian population. Maybe they know the above. They seem like the types that would easily pray on the weak or unarmed. Just my estimation there.

All they could do is create mayhem and get themselves arrested and killed. We certainly don't need those idiots NOT helping, that's for sure. That sure isn't patriotic in my book, but they are being opportunistic.

[onethatcares]

13. hell, I had to do the same

to visit a friend in the hospital. But on a side note, The other day at homedepot there was an armed guard with two 9mm glocks checking people into the store.

I asked if he had anyone break in line and try to get to the paint aisle ahead of anyone. I got the bad, bad look. But no response.

The guard looked like george zimmerman, no kidding.

[dware]

15. Hospitals are generally privately owned,

so the owners can set their own weapons policies.

[onethatcares]

18. makes sense,

although here in floriduh the legislature is privately owned too.

[dware]

20. LOL,

I don't doubt it one bit.

[Chainfire]

17. The gun laws vary from state to state

And sometimes from city to city or county to county.

It is good betting odds that if you are reading this, that open carry of firearms is allowed in your state.

It is only illegal in four or five states and DC......

The right wing has been winning big for the last 20 years when it comes to firearms laws. Apparently it surprises some here.

[McCamy Taylor]

19. So I can walk into a courthouse where my brother is on trial

Carrying an AK 47 and stare daggers at the judge and jury and prosecution witnesses and there is no law against it in Mi? Good grief!

[dware]

22. I don't believe you can walk into the courtroom itself,

but I think you can walk into the lobby carrying a weapon.

[sop]

25. The protesters were allowed to carry assault weapons into capitol, but not their protest signs.

"Michigan doesn't actually have a law that explicitly permits firearms to be carried openly in public. Instead, Michigan State Police have cited the lack of laws against openly carrying firearms as de facto permission to do so."

"The scene also drew renewed attention to an odd quirk in the Capitol's rules around protests: Though the demonstrators were permitted bring their weapons indoors, protest signs were forbidden."

https://www.businessinsider.com/michigan-open-carry-laws-legal-protesters-guns-at-state-capitol-2020-5

[doc03]

35. So the first Amendment is void there but not the 2nd. nt

[sop]

36. Seems the powers that be in Michigan were concerned sign-carrying protesters would whack

one another with their placards, causing injury. So they passed a law forbidding signs in the capitol. They haven't gotten around to addressing the problem of AR-15s in the hands of white nationalist, Nazi scum yet.

[Chainfire]

26. A lot of the surprise and anger expressed in this and other threads about the armed protests

Shows how being ignorant of gun laws can be harmful to you. On another thread, when I explained the differences in some firearms I was mauled by some of the posters for bringing up the subject.

You can't work to change the laws if you don't know what they are. Gun people know exactly what the laws are, that is why you saw guns at protest in Mi, but not in Fl. and you won't in Il.

Knowledge is power. Check you own state statutes, they are probably on-line, if they offend you, start a campaign to change them. The right wingers have stolen a march on some of you, and you didn't even know it! You can't blame your lack of knowledge on them!

If you are interested, there are plenty of sites that show what the gun laws in different states. Most of these sites were developed to keep gun people out of trouble. You will not stain your liberal credentials by reading in these places.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[safeinOhio]

27. Well, I hope tRump makes

a visit to the Michigan Capital.

[roamer65]

30. After we flip our legislature in November, there will be a LOT of changes.

I am hoping it will bring the end of open carry.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

31. The Senate isn't up for election till 2022

Barring unexpected departures, 2022 is the earliest we can flip the State Senate.

[roamer65]

38. No senators up in 2020?

I thought their elections were staggered.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

39. Nope, Michigan doesn't use a staggered system

Michigan house is up every 2 years, the Senate every 4. Only a handful of states use a staggered system from what I remember, but don't quote me on that one.

[catbyte]

32. Because 8 years of rick "The Dictator" Snyder and a gop supermajority in the State Senate &

majority in the State House did a damn fine job of turning Michigan into Michissippi.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Michigan State House bans signs. No poster board. A notice in the entrance. 2nd over 1st? WRONG!