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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMichigan security guard shot, killed after asking customer to cover face.
Link to tweet
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@jjenna
He asked a woman to put on a mask before she could come in. She spit in his face, then came back later with her dad and shot him.
"They said a man shot the 43-year-old security guard in the head near the doorway of the store before running off."
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)This is horrendous!
And, talk about holding a grudge!
So $7/hr guy gets spit on, then as the victim, they came back to kill him! Just, yikes!
I hope they catch these 2
hlthe2b
(101,705 posts)Well damn. the gloves are off. They need to deal with those armed protestors threatening cops, reporters, and others like the terrorists that they are.
My saddest but most hopeful wishes for the family of that security guard. May the community come together to help them.
calimary
(80,693 posts)Every bit as lethal and menacing as anybody al Qaeda ever issued, if not moreso. A LOT moreso.
lastlib
(22,978 posts)Pure, plain, and simple--murderers.
keithbvadu2
(36,360 posts)quakerboy
(13,901 posts)Not just murder though. I think words like premeditation and conspiracy also come into play.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)committed as an act of terrorism.
Doesn't say which one did the shooting, father or daughter. One of them is a murdering terrorist. The other is an accomplice. Life without parole, imo.
quakerboy
(13,901 posts)Re the fake "protestors", though, definitely.
are terrorists. The president is to blame for these new American terrorists. I wouldnt be surprised if trump didnt have this virus brought to this country purposely.
BComplex
(7,977 posts)And this action should be a throw down moment to law enforcement across the country that these people are FUCKING CRAZY TERRORISTS and should be handled as such across the country.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)BComplex
(7,977 posts)They were caught on camera.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)This thread fork was about an assumption that there was a link between the shooting, and the armed shitheads protesting the governor.
That is apparently not the case.
BComplex
(7,977 posts)Only maybe worse.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)The shooter is one of their kind? And who is the 'they' you are referring to?
BComplex
(7,977 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)sarisataka
(18,197 posts)Because a person murdered a security guard that means he must be part of a group? Are you saying the suspects belong to, as one poster labeled them, Vanilla ISIS?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)If I had to bet, I'd bet this shooter has zero relation with the armed protesters in Lansing.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)Zero relation.
Not inspired by a bunch of middle class white guys dressing up as hunters and pretending to be patriots.
TrishaJ
(797 posts)These thugs showing up with guns and you ask "what are they thinking?" And now we know what they are thinking.
Demovictory9
(32,320 posts)blitzen
(4,572 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)and a Trumper?
Hekate
(90,189 posts)My answer is: the percentages are vastly on the side of presuming he is.
ETA: Whenever someone is non-white, media (and cops) make it abundantly clear what the presumed ethnicity of the perp is. Default human is white and male.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Why does everyone think this was about a mask?
But someone said it on Twitter, so it must be true.
Sigh.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Trump is a stochastic terrorist and his followers, like Ivory Soap, are 99.9% white. I wasn't there, & will wait until all the "news" is confirmed by some reputable source -- but that much I do know.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That may turn out to be the story, but when I see a tweet with a news article, I read the news article. When the tweet and the article didnt agree l, I searched local news. The closest so far is an article stating that police are investigating social media reports.
Kind of circular so far.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This shooting in Michigan took place on Friday. The social media reports about the mask are more recent.
However, yesterday, this happened:
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-05-02-security-guard-arrested-after-man-allegedly-shot-during-altercation-over-face-mask/
Security guard arrested after man allegedly shot during altercation over face mask
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What, in your mind, does that link prove?
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)The wife of a Flint dollar store security guard who was shot and killed May 1 said it arose from a dispute over not allowing a customer to enter the store without a face mask.
The wife of the victim wrote about the shooting on her personal Facebook page. She told Michigan Capitol Confidential in a text message that the shooting was due to a dispute over wearing a face mask. The woman asked that her name not be published for safety reasons, because the suspects were still at large. She said she was the victims wife and had been together for 20 years and they had eight children.
Other Facebook and Twitter posts on the accounts of people who were friends of the victim are also saying the dispute was over a face mask.
On the Flint Michigan Scanners Facebook page, a woman who said she was present at the shooting wrote: "The Girl Came To The Store The Security Guard Said You Can't Come In Without A Mask So The Girl Went Back And Told A Male Family Member What Happened The Guy Came Back To The Came [sic] In Asked Who Harassed My Daughter And The Security Guard Said She Couldn't Come In Without A Mask And The Guy Just Shot Him In The Head I Was Standing In The Back Of The Store While This Was Happening"
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Arent peoples names usually on their Facebook pages?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Gonna bet theres more than a mask involved in this episode.
There are pages and there are profiles
Your profile has your name etc. From your profile you can create a page such as a business page for a product you sell etc.
Like this product which can be used in making Trump cocktails:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Product-Service/FABULOSO-124615090895051/
I manage one for my precinct. It's called xyz area Democrats.
I also manage one for our Indivisible group.
Only Fabuloso can create posts on their page.
Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #88)
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SharonAnn
(13,766 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Which is weird, since youd think someone at the store would know that.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)it was over a mask that the store required. This to me indicates that the shooter was white, guard was probably non white. Probably video of it and they are waiting for the guy or gal to lawyer up.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)kcr
(15,300 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"I saw it on social media and don't know if it is true" is hardly the gold standard for facts.
kcr
(15,300 posts)And, by the way, found it to be true.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Or they caught some hot-headed morons who felt that someone in their family had been dissed?
kcr
(15,300 posts)Gee, I thought you were such a stickler about facts.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That psychic ability is something we should rely on?
There was ZERO confirmation that the incident had anything to do with a mask, and DU ran wild blaming this on the reopen protesters instead of some hotheads.
You saw my non-existent post saying it had nothing to do with a face mask? No. What you saw are my still-correct when-posted remarks that none of the wild assumptions being made had any grounding in confirmed and reported facts.
kcr
(15,300 posts)It was right in the article. Your strange insistence that people in this thread were somehow pulling the mask explanation out of their ass because Twitter, when multiple articles stated the police were investigating whether that was a reason, was bizarre.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yah, which is really different from claiming that these were Trump-inspired mask-protesters.
The mask is beside the point that some hothead wasn't going to tolerate his wife taking any instructions from a security guard at a store. It wasn't about any political belief (and this is a political forum, which is why stuff like this is posted), and wearing a mask was beside the point that this was about the "I'm not taking any shit from you" reflex of particularly thin-skinned violent people of any political persuasion.
kcr
(15,300 posts)I'm talking about your claim there was no evidence the shooting was about a mask in the first place.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)So, no, it was not "zero confirmation" at the point kcr joined, and for which you are now trying to berate them. And you brought up white protesters that kcr hadn't mentioned, so their remark about "non-existent post" was justified; but kcr did not say you had said it had nothing to do with a facemask, so your retort fails.
Perhaps you're taking it out on the wrong poster?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yes, the NYT was reporting the wife said it was about masks. Which had to be information she got from a source not identified by the NYT, and possibly the same social media reports, because she was not a witness to the event.
And, reducing this sort of "don't fuck with me" attitude to some policy argument about masks, doesn't accurately capture what seems to be the dynamic here.
kcr
(15,300 posts)How likely is it she didn't talk to anyone who was there? She probably knew some of the people who worked there. Same goes for the police, btw. It's hardly likely that their only source of the investigation is Twitter. The fact they were announcing that cause as the investigation meant they likely had more than just Twitter to go on.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)Congratulations.
As the wife, and as I said to you yesterday, it's quite possible she had better information than 'social media'. Because the store management would have spoken to her, and there's a good chance some workers would too.
What you think of as just "don't fuck with me" was "don't fucking tell my daughter/sister to wear a mask"; escalated, via spitting, to murder. I'm surprised you think you're in position to say what's "accurate" in this case.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)kcr
(15,300 posts)Not to get involved in the whole kerfuffle of this thread on that topic, though I am originally from Flint, born and raised and as white as can be.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)the school of 'I just made it up'?
I tend to agree that there was a time that this was true. But it was in the 90's.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)I didn't track the lines well in the subthread. Sorry.
Also, there have been studies more recently than the 1990s, and that probably has pushed the trend toward change in equitable reporting.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Police are looking for a man, medium build ...
Police are looking for a Hispanic man, medium build...
Police are looking for a black man, medium build...
Police are looking for a man, medium build, Hispanic or possibly Asian...
Which one is white? It's only in the last few years I have noticed a trend toward not making white race the default in descriptions. "Default" means something you don't even have to mention, because obviously, a "man" is white, not some other color.
It says nothing about the ethnic percentages of the criminal class -- nor of any given law-abiding city -- it's just the presumption that unless you say otherwise, the Average Joe is white and anyone else is the exception. Exceptions get pointed out.
There's a trend, in news reporting at least, to rectify this, and I'm glad. I have noticed.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Response to Jake Stern (Reply #28)
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dware
(12,092 posts)ripcord
(5,081 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)Quite the opposite. It's usually tRumpanees who violently object to using PPE. I think AA's (all democratic voters in general) are smarter than white trumphumpers. That's being racist?
ripcord
(5,081 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)I used the word "most" which was misleading, unfortunate, a mistake.
Now you can put me on ignore if you like. 😁
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)I predict these kinds of people will start trying to rip off the masks of others in public too.
So sad for the security guard and his loved ones.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,277 posts)sellitman
(11,596 posts)Beyond words.
MyOwnPeace
(16,887 posts)Thanks, Trump!
handmade34
(22,755 posts)sad beyond words...
Botany
(70,285 posts)... free DUMBS.
Trump, "The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people,
but they are angry."
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)These people need to be dealt with very harshly. That poor man and his family. He was only doing his job and trying to keep the public safe and she shot him in cold blood.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Isn't that the same as hiring a hit man? They should both be charged with everything imaginable.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)shooting was over a face mask. They are not saying anything about having a female suspect either.
blitzen
(4,572 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)And police are investigating. Didn't the store have video cameras?
mfcorey1
(10,997 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Read it again and quote where it says that.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)A man has been shot dead, leaving a wife and EIGHT children. Obviously, people at the scene reported the conversation that took place to LEO and news reporters. Not all details are reported out when a story breaks. Often the particulars come out later after more evidence is gathered and a fuller investigation takes place.
The least people could do is not quibble and show some TRUE empathy for this poor man. Given how trumpie has empowered people to take up arms against the restrictions in place to slow down the spread of COVID-19, is it really so much of a stretch to believe that this was exactly as reported ?
A little compassion, please.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Im odd that way.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)to know that minutia matters in the eyes of the discerning public.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is because of the face mask angle.
Theres not a DU thread on every person that is shot to death, so lets not pretend that this story would be at all discussion worthy but for the unconfirmed part about the face mask, so that we can attribute this act to an entire class of people we dont like.
And Im pretty sure the family isnt reading DU.
I dont understand your hostility. I simply am trying to understand why the tweet in the OP is believed to be true.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because they are also calling it social media rumors. How callous of them.
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html
Heres the GoFundMe link that someone started. Give generously:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/donations-for-duper?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link-tip&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet
Maybe its someone who knows him, maybe it isnt. You spin the wheel and takes your chances.
Perhaps you can find something constructive to do with your anger. DU has an ignore feature. If looking for confirmation of social media stories bothers you, I highly recommend you put me on ignore.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)is not sufficient reason for me to place you on "ignore" status.
Frequently, I find your posts interesting and educational.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You believe he was killed over a face mask.
I believe the police are calling it social media rumors thus far.
What is absolutely certain is that the OP copies a thus far unconfirmed rumor as fact.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)He was shot in the head by an irate citizen.
He MAY have been shot because of a dispute over proper COVID-19 related attire.
The investigation is never complete on the first day of the investigation. Give it time.
In a political context, this incident should be brought to the attention of the Person who pretends to be in charge.
But a public disclosure and questioning of the Person in charge should occur, just for the benefit of the public, just so the public can absorb the "I'm not responsible" response that is certain to come, even though he gives the green light to violent and threatening protests. THIS is a violent and threatening protest. THIS is what it looks like. THIS is how Trump wields his power.
Watch carefully. He'll do it again and again. And the violence will ignite again and again. And the GOP? They'll do NOTHING. Think about that for a second. They'll do nothing to stop him. Why? Because they are afraid. They are afraid of losing the election and they hope that this murdering Chaos Monkey (perfect phrase read in an earlier DU post) will help them win.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Which is quite unlike this customer who was shot by a security guard for not wearing a mask:
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-05-02-security-guard-arrested-after-man-allegedly-shot-during-altercation-over-face-mask/
Security guard arrested after man allegedly shot during altercation over face mask
In a political context, this incident should be brought to the attention of the Person who pretends to be in charge.
Unconfirmed social media accounts are brought to that assholes attention every day.
But who is responsible for the customer shot by a security guard for not wearing a mask?
But I lack compassion because Im reluctant to make a political point out of someones death, when none of the alleged facts are confirmed.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Mariana
(14,847 posts)require accepting whatever some rando says on social media as the gospel truth?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html
Police are investigating social media rumors...
Can you believe it? A man is dead, and the police are investigating social media rumors! Who cares about the minutiae!
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)From the beginning.
Care to walk anything back ?
You don't always get a sworn, signed affidavit.
I believed it to be true having some knowledge of the area.
Hatred has robbed so many people of their lives and for what ? What is gained ? The two men who acted in this crime are on the run and wanted for First Degree murder, the woman who spit in the man's face is now in custody for her involvement. It turns out that her husband, who fired the shot, is a felon and prohibited from gun ownership. The other man is her son.
One family in mourning.
One family soon to be in prison.
And over something as simple as a request to wear a face mask that the Governor mandated.
I cry at the deterioration of our towns.
mfcorey1
(10,997 posts)******snip******
My son called me and he said, Mama, you got to get to the store,' and my heart just dropped, she said. I said, Why son?' He said, Mama, just go to the store.
When she arrived at the business, Sims-Munerlyn spotted yellow police tape.
I just instantly thought my baby was gone, she said as tears welled up at the vigil.
Sims-Munerlyn was told the shooting was the result of an argument over a customer not wearing a mask.
As part of their ongoing investigation, Michigan State Police Lt. David Kaiser said Sunday evening that law enforcement officials are looking into the possibility.
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/slain-family-dollar-security-guard-mourned-at-candlelight-vigil.html
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)I didnt actually click on the link earlier.
Its still horrible, of course, but Id like to see evidence of the motive.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)If it even happened.
As pointed out elsewhere in the thread, police are saying its coming from social media.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)Apparently he had no race or ethnicity as articles are only describing his clothing.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I wondered how long before that kind of stuff would start happening. A ranger was shoved in another story I read earlier here on DU.
They are now lashing out violently. This is how civilization breaks down.
Release any security footage of them that exists, and most likely, there is some kind of camera that caught their faces.
That is murder.
People do see that is murder, right? I cannot be the only one that thinks they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for murder. Yes, both of them. She needs to be prosecuted for hiring a hitman for going to telling her father to murder someone and the father needs to be prosecuted for doing it.
dware
(12,092 posts)it premeditated murder.
bucolic_frolic
(42,661 posts)dware
(12,092 posts)rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Too funny.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)No factual support at all, and people just simply believe it.
Mariana
(14,847 posts)for pointing out that fact.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,021 posts)ffr
(22,644 posts)Brought to you on a platter by the GOP.
elleng
(130,126 posts)where they'll catch it.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)from years of the calculated dumbing down and poisonous gun worship of Americans.
That, and evil, hate-drenched, armed, ignorant, arrogant white male stupidity has created a generation of terrorism that by far is more threatening than any foreign intruder.
It just is killing the soul of our country from within and scares me sick that there is nothing that sane humanity and decent men and women can do about it.
Absolutely frightening.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)malaise
(267,797 posts)Thank you Don the criminally negligent Con - you are directly responsible for this.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)Use the National Guard and crack down now. You now have a reason to do it.
If we had a death penalty I would have no remorse in executing these two and would volunteer to help.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Instead they do less than nothing and we now have a dead security guard to show for it.
raccoon
(31,089 posts)That is one thing that is wrong with this country, seriously wrong.
You never know when some asshole with a gunand any asshole can purchase oneis going to take you out. If I wasnt so old I would relocate to another country that had some sensible gun laws.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)In Ohio, guns are allowed in BARS.
Another good reason to avoid those places often full of irrational-thinking drunks, I guess, even before the pandemic.
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You quote a woman in Ohio, who is nowhere near the incident, and NONE of the local news articles report that.
Did you make any attempt to determine whether the tweet was true before posting it?
blitzen
(4,572 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media from people who say
In other words, no one even reported this information to the police.
blitzen
(4,572 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)Police officials declined to comment on details of the case, but are still looking for the suspect, who fled. A vigil was planned for Sunday night, and a news conference for Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/coronavirus-masks-protests.html
This report (a Sinclair station, for what that's worth) names him as Calvin Munerlyn, interviews his wife and son, but they don't mention any reason for the shooting: https://nbc25news.com/news/local/family-mourns-loss-of-security-guard-they-say-was-shot-and-killed-at-family-dollar
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because other reporting says that detectives are investigating social media reports to that effect.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)but not to the media. It's also possible that the NYT has been fooled over whether they were talking to the real widow (eg on social media); it's happened before. You'd hope the NYT would take precautions to prevent that these days. And it's also possible that she's now saying it because it's spreading online.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,147 posts)...
The suspect is described as a thin man, wearing black faded jeans, a black sweatshirt and black and white tennis shoes.
https://nbc25news.com/news/local/state-police-security-guard-shot-and-killed-at-flint-dollar-store
That doesn't fit the "She spit in his face, then came back later with her dad and shot him" in the OP tweet. I don't think they'd put out a description of one man if they had good reason to think there was a man and woman involved.
Though another report talks of "male suspects":
Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said.
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html
LiberalLovinLug
(14,153 posts)Usually if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a freakin duck..
You think it was because she didn't have shoes on? Or was drunk? Curious as to why this seemingly diligent family man security guard would just stop her for no reason. So what do you imagine happened?
You seem to get stuck on, "The police are investigating reports that it was over a face mask" Well that is standard practice. The police can't declare the outcome of an investigation before its concluded, no matter how it looks. Even with a smoking gun. You are right in that nothing is proven yet, but I'm curious going through this thread to see how proliferate you are in admonishing those who simply put two and two together based on what is being reported.
If parts of the reported story are correct, and she did not have a mask, and the stores policy required one, and during the dispute, she spit in his face and came back later with her dad and a gun are correct, what do you think it was about? Why such adamant belief it could be about anything else? You may be right, but its hard for me to find another reason, especially if none other is even brought up.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It is a common fallacy to suggest that "we don't know" means something other than "we don't know".
If I tell you, "They pyramids were built by space aliens" and you say you don't believe that, you are not under any obligation to explain how the pyramids were built. There is no affirmative reason to believe the pyramids were built by aliens. There is every reason to believe that people - every bit as smart as us - who had a long time to figure out how to build things out of stone came up with clever techniques for doing so, and those techniques are simply not obvious to us.
Sometimes not knowing is simply not knowing.
Almost everyone in this thread thinks that some white gun-toting nut lives in a predominately AA area of Flint and shot this guard out of some sort of support for Trump. There is NO witness to the event whatsoever who is reported to have said this.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,153 posts)just curious. Not that you are sticking up for the rule of law and order, but how strictly adamant you are about it's application before any motive is discussed by laypersons based on what information that has come out.
I do see where you are coming from. For instance, one thing I hate is OPs that start "Trump is fucked for good!", as much as I did with "Cheney is going down!" Promotion of wishful thinking that only disappoints later. Not that this story is "wishful". Other than I guess wishful that we can throw another Trumpy on the fire.
But its just hard to not conclude it was about a face mask. Even if it remains unproven, it probably was about a facemask. That is only my opinion, until something is proven otherwise. Seems plausible. If only that there is no other explaination. That was why I was asking what other suggestions you may have on the origin.
But you are right, technically, legally, they can't say what the motive was yet.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It is basic critical thinking
If you want to play the odds, then the presence of white supremacist Trump supporters in a predominately AA community, who flee to a nearby HUD-subsidized apartment building, seems unlikely.
People get their back up at security guards in the believe they have been disrespected in some way on a pretty regular basis. As noted elsewhere in the thread by someone familiar with the area, it is a relative high crime area. An assault on a security guard at a retail establishment in a high crime area has a "most likely" scenario. And it could certainly be someone that feels 'disrespected' in some way. But that doesn't have a political component to it other than the generalized hostility of some people to being told to follow rules.
But, as I was writing this response, the white supremacist, Trump-supporters have been arrested. Frankly, they do not resemble the usual white supremacist Trump supporter militia types I'm used to, but unsurprisingly:
"Leyton said surveillance video shows Larry Teague and Bishop enter the store and start an argument with Munerlyn. Witnesses reported hearing the suspects ask Munerlyn who had disrespected his wife."
...which sounds more like it was of the variety that she reported that a security guard had taken an attitude toward her that she did not like, and so she reported that to her exceptionally violent husband.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,153 posts)And probably not Trumpies. Being AA and all. I didn't know that and did not read about them living in a HUD subsidized apartment.
But when one hears a story, and all one knows early on its about; Guns. Overreaction. Anger over having to comply by a gob'mint rule. Violence. Face mask dispute, its easy to assume its a white Trumpie "liberator". I did hear there was a white female involved at first as well. Add to that 95% of these kinds of shootings are Trumpies behind the gun. Using critical thinking one might assume its a typical deplorable. But this is an exception.
I guess its just the "garden variety" American shooting, where guns are all too available to use as dispute solvers. And add to the mix that some men regard their female partners as their property. An extension of themselves. So if you dare to make her feel disrespected, you disrespect him as well.
Sad either way. RIP Calvin Munerlyn
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,775 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Trump and his Adm need to be taken to The Hague and tried for all their crimes.
dware
(12,092 posts)How?
The US is not a signatory to the ICC so they have no jurisdiction.
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)ooky
(8,885 posts)Mickju
(1,794 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)It was a Tweet..
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)One report says that police are investigating social media reports, and the NYT says his wife told them thats what she believes.
We dont know.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Welcome to the Jungle. We can behave like idiots, we can behave like survivors. Living a bit longer seems good to me.
turbinetree
(24,631 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)and refusing to enforce the law on these thugs. They just get more and more emboldened.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)"Michigan State Police investigators are looking into reports that a Flint dollar store security guard was fatally shot Friday after an argument with a customer who refused to wear a mask in the store.
The 43-year-old guard was shot in the head at about 2:15 p.m. Friday at the Family Dollar store at 877 Fifth Ave. He later died in an area hospital. Police are not yet releasing the name of the guard. "
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)A man just doing his job
mindfulNJ
(2,363 posts)I can't even with these people!!
Ptah
(32,983 posts)pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)Those are the important facts IMHO.
Ptah
(32,983 posts)pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)I listed the known facts as far as I am concerned. A man is dead from being shot in the head. Stay tuned for further investigations and facts.
sinkingfeeling
(51,274 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)
Police probe shooting of Flint security guard in confrontation over mask at Family Dollar
Michigan State Police investigators are looking into reports that a Flint dollar store security guard was fatally shot Friday after an argument with a customer who refused to wear a mask in the store.
The 43-year-old guard was shot in the head at about 2:15 p.m. Friday at the Family Dollar store at 877 Fifth Ave. He later died in an area hospital. Police are not yet releasing the name of the guard.
Michigan State Police 1st Lt. David Kaiser said Sunday that detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media from people who say the violence sparked when the guard told a customer he had to wear a mask, a policy set forth by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to help curb the spread of the coronavirus.
Were seeing a lot of these reports on social media, so we're investigating them," Kaiser said. "We'll talk to all the potential witnesses."
Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton was expected to hold a press conference Monday, Kaiser said. No time was announced.
No one answered the phone at the Family Dollar store on Sunday.
A GoFundMe page was created in the guard's honor. More than $3,000 was raised by Sunday. He leaves behind a wife and eight kids, the page said.
Whitmer's extended stay-home order went into effect April 27, allowing businesses to refuse service to customers who don't wear face masks.
No criminal penalties are attached to the order, but state officials strongly encourage customers to wear them..
Michigan reported 43,754 confirmed COVID-19 cases as of Sunday and 4,049 deaths. In Genesee County, there are 1,634 cases and 196 deaths.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts) detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)"They discovered the 43-year-old security guard had been shot in his head in the business doorway.
The security guard was taken to an area hospital where he later died.
Hes been identified by police as Calvin Munerlyn, of Flint.
Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.
Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said."
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)Theres a sports bar in Flint MI called Rubes (see his shirt) too.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)Response to Kaleva (Reply #91)
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Cassidy
(200 posts)Most customers are fine. Some customers are excellent and very considerate and gracious.
But the Foxers and Trumpers are really nasty. "What are you going to do [if I don't stand where you ask me]".
"What will happen if I don't [wear a mask into the store]".
"You are infringing on my rights [this from a random phone call from a person I doubt is even a customer]"
If innocent people haven't already started being shot by these crazies, we will be soon.
relayerbob
(6,508 posts)Terrorists.
Find these two and stick them in Gitmo, or SuperMax. Lose the fucking key
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)says it is store policy to wear masks, the story is accurate, trumps stupidity kills again! Will we ever learn? Okay let's see how much damage Trump has done this time. not only is there a dead man who's now unable to care for his family, there's an idiot out there running around on the run from the law and on top of that his nightmare is just starting .thanks to Trump when he's caught, if he's caught, he's going to end up spending the rest of his life in prison and Trump will not do one thing to help him. are you people willing to sacrifice your life your family over some stupid Trump issue the devil is out here Damien Thorn has risen and people are paying a huge price to support him and it's just not worth it.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)"Michigan State Police 1st Lt. David Kaiser said Sunday that detectives are investigating a flood of reports on social media from people who say the violence sparked when the guard told a customer he had to wear a mask, ..."
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,886 posts)Blue Owl
(49,903 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)I doubt the shooter is a middle-aged white guy. The shooter is probably no supporter of Trump.
liberalla
(9,165 posts)before some rwnj went to this extreme.
Damn shame.
bucolic_frolic
(42,661 posts)I saw security personnel in the store last week. Here's a story from late March:
https://www.pennlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/giant-stores-add-extra-security-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Giant stores add extra security during coronavirus pandemic
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)WTAF? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
This is what letting these pieces of garbage "protest" shelter in place orders.
Coddling is enabling, which only serves to embolden them!
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,099 posts)This place loves collectively jumping the gun on these stories then ignores them when the truth comes out.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)There were Duers aplenty who were 1000% sure it was a white guy who killed her. Turns out it was a hit by two black gang members that mistook that car with another persons.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Almost as important is telling ourselves we do it out of relevance, accuracy or some other excuse.
Celerity
(42,638 posts)ripcord
(5,081 posts)What they did matters much more.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)This 40 year old woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time
" The 40-year-old woman killed in a drive-by shooting at her residence in Flint has been identified.
Police don't believe Danielle Walker was the intended victim of the April 13 shooting on Tebo Street between Lapeer Road and Kent Street. She was pronounced dead of gunshot wounds inside the residence.
The shooting took place around 4:30 a.m. Investigators are still looking for the suspects and Crime Stoppers is offering a $2,500 reward for information leading to an arrest.
Anyone with information on the shooting is asked to call Michigan State Police at 810-347-4473 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-422-JAIL."
https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Flint-woman-killed-in-drive-by-shooting-identified-authorities-looking-for-suspect-569897341.html
The only reason the murder of the security guard made the national news is because of the argument about the face mask. Otherwise, he'd just be another statistic.
dware
(12,092 posts)That this wasn't some white gun carrying asshole?
That this had nothing to do with the Mango Menace?
People jump to conclusions far too quickly here and then end up having egg on their face when it turns out to be nothing about what was quickly labeled as.
Leith
(7,802 posts)I was born and grew up in Flint. I attended U of M right across the street.
The argument may have been over a mask, but that could just be an excuse. Somebody could have either had a beef with the security guard or was just in a bad mood in general.
Flint has had senseless killings for as long as I can remember.
This probably had nothing to do with agent orange at all. Many people made assumptions about the killer and his (or their) motive.
I'm with everyone on being beyond fed up with guns in this country. My final straw was Sandy Hook, but my camel's back was straining long before that.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)Leith
(7,802 posts)And I knew. That's always been a rough area.
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,886 posts)Leith
(7,802 posts)It was probably office buildings with 1st floor storefronts, much like the rest of Saginaw Street in that area. It's been more than a couple decades since I was last in that area.
LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)Too young to be the dad of the girl who spit
He took off fairly fast and disappeared into the high rise behind FD.
He was probably not armed with a handgun as opposed to a rifle.
So he was probably a local person
Cha
(295,899 posts)asshole.. More BLOOD on trump.
Poor guy doing his damn job!
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)Thanks, Kaleva
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)They disappeared into the high rise behind FD.
Gun was probably concealed and not one of those rifles.
Some reports indicate that two males were involved.
The fact that this person(s) took off so fast indicates this person was somewhat on the younger side.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)good and clear. Some of these clowns are WATING for an excuse to use their weapons. Deepest sympathy to the family of the security guard. I hope there will be plenty of support for them in the community. What the HELL is wrong with people? The worst of the very worst is coming out now. Killed while doing his job, what a waste. I hope daddy's little princess (the spitter) is also charged in this death. Old enough to know better, no doubt. Well, the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)"Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.
Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said."
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html
LisaL
(44,962 posts)article describing the incident as it was described in the tweet in the OP.
"Daddy's little princess" probably doesn't exist.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)who had at least one accomplice.
"FLINT, Mich. - Police say a shooting occurred at the Family Dollar around 1:15 p.m. Friday afternoon across from the University of Michigan - Flint.
The male suspect, thin, wearing black faded jeans, a black sweatshirt, and black and white tennis shoes was last seen fleeing northbound toward River Village apartments from the scene on foot, according to police."
https://nbc25news.com/news/local/police-looking-for-suspect-in-shooting-near-u-of-m-flint
"Male suspects fled the scene for high-rise apartments located behind the store, police said at the time.
Police are continuing to search for the suspects, Kaiser said."
https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/police-investigating-if-security-guard-at-flint-store-was-killed-for-requiring-mask.html
IronLionZion
(45,254 posts)Even if it turns out that everyone involved is black doesn't change the fact that one political party is encouraging ordinary people to rebel against state and local authorities to violate COVID-19 orders. We have black males here in DC openly calling our black woman mayor a socialist violating their constitutional freedoms. She's posted armed police and/or national guard at stores to enforce the mask rules and social distancing.
dlk
(11,425 posts)Only someone who is seriously disturbed would choose a prison sentence so they could act out a resentment.
DBoon
(22,284 posts)FLINT (WJRT) - (5/2/20) - State Police in Flint said a security guard at a Family Dollar store died after being shot in the head.
Troopers said the shooter was still on the run.
Investigators said it happened Friday afternoon at Family Dollar East 5th near Saginaw Street.
They said a man shot the 43-year-old security guard in the head near the doorway of the store before running off.
ChoosenWisely
(17 posts)The security guard was a father of eight children.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/03/police-flint-guard-shooting-mask-family-dollar/3075515001/
bucolic_frolic
(42,661 posts)I'm no lawyer ..... wrongful death? 25 more working years plus retirement income taken from that family when they need it most. That ought to be worth something and should bankrupt the perpetrators.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)"The male suspect, thin, wearing black faded jeans, a black sweatshirt, and black and white tennis shoes was last seen fleeing northbound toward River Village apartments from the scene on foot, according to police."
https://nbc25news.com/news/local/police-looking-for-suspect-in-shooting-near-u-of-m-flint
scipan
(2,295 posts)Wife Says Flint Dollar Store Security Guard Killed Over Face Mask Dispute
'Hard working, father and husband' leaves behind eight 'amazing kids' and wife
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/wife-says-flint-dollar-store-security-guard-killed-over-face-mask-dispute&ved=2ahUKEwjoiKaNv5rpAhXhmXIEHYGUBKoQFjAIegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3GD6zFYAHgC-2zHrCYvunr
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)The hope he is apprehended quickly, tried, and can think about what he did as he spends his life in Prison.
Whats going on lately is not so dissimilar to Germany in the 1930s. We are on the ledge, the 2020 election may decide which way we go.
Do what you have to do and vote to beat back these knuckle dragging Nazi type Creeps.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Historically that happened in a couple of places, so I suppose it's possible.
But unlikely.
https://www.abc12.com/content/news/3-charged-with-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570178991.html
LudwigPastorius
(8,943 posts)SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)sarisataka
(18,197 posts)Three people are charged with the murder of a Family Dollar security guard in Flint last week, who got into an altercation over wearing face masks in the store.
Two men remain at large while a woman has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment in the Genesee County Jail.
The male suspects are 44-year-old Larry Edward Teague and 23-year-old Ramonyea Bishop. Teague's wife and Bishop's mother, 45-year-old Sharmel Teague, has been arrested.
All three suspects are facing a charge of first-degree premeditated murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no chance of parole if they are convicted.
It appears the incident did involve arguing over a mask. As for the rest of the knee jerk assumptions, it looks like crow will be the main dish on the buffet
Leith
(7,802 posts)I said much the same (see post #118).
If there was a way to rec a post, yours would be worth a thousand.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)It has happened many time before, a crime is reported with unconfirmed details. A mob forms sure they know the 'who' and the 'why' and condemning the perpetrators vociferously. Later accurate reporting shows those assumptions were quite wrong.
Now if history can be used as a guide, one or two posters will have the moral courage to admit they were wrong, leaping to unsubstantiated conclusions. The majority will remember pressing engagements elsewhere and simply wander away- until next time
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)sarisataka
(18,197 posts)at the capitol, we will find these men were among the crowd?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)....and will not do as they are asked on this or any other public safety issue. You're lucky to get them to wear seat belts still.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)though that rapidly becomes a prickly topic for some folks
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Concerning the Michigan capitol in particular:
I'm not seeing these two shooters.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...who regard any request, imposition, or perceived slight as "disrespect", which must be met with unreasonably aggressive responses.
They come in all flavors too, but these suspects do not seem to fit in well with the white supremacist Trump humper "reopen" militia types.
Celerity
(42,638 posts)https://www.wndu.com/content/news/2-men-wanted-in-murder-of-Family-Dollar-security-guard-over-face-mask-dispute-570180051.html
Three people are charged with the murder of a Family Dollar security guard in Flint last week, who got into an altercation over wearing face masks in the store.
Two men remain at large while a woman has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment in the Genesee County Jail.
The male suspects are 44-year-old Larry Edward Teague and 23-year-old Ramonyea Bishop. Teague's wife and Bishop's mother, 45-year-old Sharmel Teague, has been arrested.
All three suspects are facing a charge of first-degree premeditated murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no chance of parole if they are convicted.
Larry Teague and Bishop also are facing several weapons charges, along with violations of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's order to wear face coverings in enclosed public spaces.
Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton said Sharmel Teague and her daughter went in the Family Dollar at 877 E. Fifth St. in Flint around 2 p.m. Friday. While inside, security guard Calvin Munerlyn confronted Teague's daughter about not wearing a face mask.
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)From assumptions of neo-nazis to pointless arguments over whether a face mask was involved or not.
Knee jerk responses or desperate need to be punctilious...
Ace Rothstein
(3,099 posts)I guess they really don't care though, their point was made.
ripcord
(5,081 posts)These people lack common sense, they want to get their political hits in and the facts can come later.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)After it turned out the suspects aren't white
kcr
(15,300 posts)You want the one that's now speculating whether it's gang-related. You're welcome. Have fun.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)We cant still speculate they were Trump supporters, and even though the face mask order came from the governor, it doesnt mean it still cant be Trumps fault. Just because no white people may have been involved, doesnt mean it cant be all their fault.
We all know that some people only talk about these stories because it supports their political beliefs, but its disappointing to see people give up so easily. Theres still a lot we dont know about this story, and we can speculate scenarios in which this still supports our politics.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)Fla_Democrat
(2,545 posts)Let's not forget the maga hat wearing, homophobic, white supremacists that attacked Brother Smollet.
This certainly deserves more speculation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Sink like a stone.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Like in Mafia days.
MichMan
(11,779 posts)"A Michigan woman was formally charged Tuesday in the fatal shooting of a store security guard who refused to allow her daughter inside because she wasn't wearing a face mask to protect against transmission of the coronavirus.
Sharmel Teague, 45, was arraigned via video Tuesday in district court, according to the Genesee County prosecutor's office.
Teague, her husband, Larry Teague, 44; and her son, Ramonyea Bishop, 23, face first-degree premeditated murder charges in Friday's killing of Calvin Munerlyn, 43, at a Family Dollar near downtown Flint.
Larry Teague and Bishop have yet to be arrested and are believed to be on the run, prosecutor David Leyton said."
[link:https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/06/woman-arraigned-death-family-dollar-security-guard/5174144002/|