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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC Andy Lack resigning
NBC News president Andy Lack stepping down amid major restructuringhttps://thehill.com/homenews/media/496023-nbc-news-president-andy-lack-stepping-down-amid-major-restructuring
Another version from the Palmer Report
MSNBC Chairman Andy Lack resigns after network faces backlash for phony Biden scandal
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/msnbc-chairman-andy-lack-resigns-after-network-faces-backlash-for-phony-biden-scandal/28272/
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MSNBC just had its ugliest five day stretch in the networks quarter-century history. Host Chris Hayes falsely characterized a non-credible allegation against Joe Biden, which led to Biden going on Morning Joe and refuting the whole thing. Even after the Associated Press confirmed that the accuser was fundamentally changing her story, MSBNC still spent the weekend obsessively hammering away at the story as if it were a real scandal. Meanwhile, MSNBCs audience began loudly rebelling against MSNBC across social media for its journalistic malpractice.
Given the timing, its difficult to imagine that Lacks abrupt departure is mere coincidence. Were coming off a week in which large chunks of Chris Hayes own audience are calling for his resignation, the names of other MSNBC hosts like Ali Velshi have been trending amid backlash, and MSNBC figures like Andrea Mitchell have been getting severely ratioed with negative replies on Twitter.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's supposed to be liberals ousted for factual reporting that conservative whackaloons don't like.
Maybe we have a little more power than the "liberal" media would like us to think we have?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Then there was the Joy Reid thing, which we won't get into.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)rurallib
(62,387 posts)but what may replace him may be a lot worse. Comcast is hardly a left wing company nor is Universal.
Is Keith Olbermann doing anything these days? There ain't no sports to cover right now.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Noah Oppenheim was slated to get the job and he's way more liberal than Lack but was passed over, possibly because of Ronan Farrow's book. Oppenheim worked to kill Farrow's reporting on Harvey Weinstein.
Cha
(296,867 posts)bias.
Caliman73
(11,726 posts)For the simple fact that as information is gained and shared, change happens. It is inevitable. It can be repressed or delayed, but change is constant. Conservatives are very powerful because they are the cultural descendants of the monarchists, but like the monarchists, there are simply not enough of them to stop change and that is reality.
Tacan
(97 posts)Bengus81
(6,928 posts)DURHAM D
(32,606 posts)He is a sexist jerk.
a kennedy
(29,618 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)For one, he always called us pro-abortion.
I sent numerous emails regarding that.
But like Chris Mathews, Im not sure he is sexist beyond stupid phrases and flubs.
I still would want him back
Tribetime
(4,684 posts)The friday after his re election at the close of his show. He was pissed about Ohio...We need his voice.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)I tried googling his name plus "sexist jerk" but I could only come up with articles from conservative leaning sites. One was a petition to "fire him" over a statement about Betsy DeVos in 2017.
I will not condemn a good man over a fly by night post.
from watching him never miss an opportunity to ridicule women when he was on MSNBC.
And there is this from 2008 re: Hillary Clinton -
" Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out."
jftr - not really interested in your opinion about who is and who is not "a good man"
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)I'd forgotten about that.
Hekate
(90,562 posts)...would rehire him.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)And destroy it and then the studio and then the rest of the city?
Or am I thinking of Godzilla?
Hekate
(90,562 posts)He's done this repeatedly. He was fun to watch during the BushCheney admin, but there is nothing to be done about his own behavior.
Never understood that, myself, but maybe it's because in my life I never had the wonderful savings a high-paying job presumably allows. Every job I ever had, from the cannery in high school to admin asst for an insane screamer when I was 40, when I departed I shook hands with that employer and smiled. I might have privately thought it would be a cold day in Hell before I'd return -- but you never know.
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)KO was one of the best commentators on MSNBC. KO brought a lot folks into voting for Democratic candidates.
Hekate
(90,562 posts)...your favorite's sometimes dodgy employment history?
Say it again, with feeling.
OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)Hekate
(90,562 posts)Used to really like that show -- thanks for the memories.
calimary
(81,125 posts)I would also love to see Keith Olbermann come back, and use donald trump as his own personal punching bag. What a pleasure that would be, on a nightly basis!
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)sellitman
(11,605 posts)His style is grating. Both on his fellow workers and the audience.
Texin
(2,590 posts)His tilts with management and production staff of the various venues in his career have been ongoing for at least two decades, and they seem to get more egregious the higher he rose, especially at MSNBC. He has repeatedly spoken about feeling that he "created" Rachel Maddow and that she has never acknowledged his having had to go to bat and champion her rise at MSNBC. So he obviously carries a grudge. Maddow had already developed a following outside MSNBC well before Olbermann had anything to do with her career. I DO miss his on-air presence, but why ask for a return when he will just blow everything up soon thereafter?
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)and has had a profound impact on my life.
Welcome to DU
n/t
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)Just saying. NBC is corporate owned.
trueblue2007
(17,194 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)But am tuning in tonight. Doubt his show will last much longer.
No wonder MIka and Joe spent 2 days defending Biden! They saw the writing on the wall.
Palmer just showed this,too. Trump accusing Scarborough of murder.
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/this-is-disgusting-even-for-donald-trump/28269/
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He started out ok, he was basically a male version of Rachel somewhat. But then he started a disturbing pattern of inviting rightwing people or Sarandon/Moore types on his show. He would let them run wild, it got to the point where I couldn't wait for Rachel to come on. I have not watched much television in more than 2 years, but from DU, I get the sense that Chris Hayes continued the pattern that drove me almost insane.
calimary
(81,125 posts)every week - EVERY FUCKING WEEK - during 2016. Even after Hillary got the nomination, she was never offered a paltry single night on Hayes's show in the interest of "equal time".
I couldn't help but suspect that Chris Hayes sincerely believed Bernie would be the nominee, and ultimately win, and would remember Hayes fondly for all that free weekly publicity. I kept having to fight off the feeling that Hayes was trying to cozy up to Bernie so he'd get the job of White House Press Secretary in a Bernie Sanders administration. It just reeked of nonstop audition.
I haven't liked Chris Hayes since then. If his head's on the block, GOOD. He's got a very coveted prime time show, Monday through Friday, and there are other more distinguished and more worthy anchors and reporters who could handle that hour every weeknight. Rachel Maddow could use a better lead-in.
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)breathlessly that Biden was finished. I saw all the candidate except Biden on...clearly he favored Sanders and then Warren. They talked endlessly about his 'gaffes' but never once did that to any other candidate. I stopped watching Chris, Ari, Andrea, even O'Donnell at times. I was pretty pissed a Joy also...but she stopped once the primary was over and is now behind Biden.
calimary
(81,125 posts)https://www.nbcnews.com/pages/contact-us
https://www.facebook.com/msnbc/
https://twitter.com/MSNBC (You can get to every show easily here)
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)thanks for the info saving it!
calimary
(81,125 posts)It's a numbers thing.
The numbers.
SOMEBODY in the gearbox is keeping track of the numbers. Even though the House of Reps is still out for another week, the Senate's BEEN out and just got back, or whatever the status of one's governor/state legislature might be, SOMEBODY in the office or keeping track from home IS keeping track of the numbers. The boss may be working from home but doesn't want to, and can't afford to, be disconnected. They need to know what's going on with their people back home. They need to know who needs what, who is in desperate straits, who has an emergency complicated by the COVID-19 emergency. They need to know what to come back to work arguing about, for, or against. They need that info. They need that data. They need to know why we sent them there.
And don't forget -
Democratic Congressperson X or Y needs to know what to argue about with full-on partner reps, DINOs, and CONS.
Whatever caucus that representative is part of needs to know what they're hearing from the voter back home in their districts (when THEY, IN TURN, have to go argue with the Matt Gaetzes and Jim Jordans and Justin Amashes and Dennis McCarthys.
That representative needs to be able to tell Nancy Pelosi what kind of pressure they're getting from back home, for something or against something.
And Nancy Pelosi needs that input to go get in Mitch McConnell's face about how much of a pushback he's going to get, from all over the place (because hopefully she's hearing from her whole caucus on a regular basis).
And all up and down the food chain, and across the map. In every direction imaginable.
They need that data. Don't think there isn't somebody in somebody's office, who's collecting or compiling it. Even if it's nothing but little hash marks beside the name of an issue or a nominee or a bill or a cause or a need or a fill-in-the-blank-here.
So do not remain silent. Do not pull your punches "because now is not the time." There's no time OTHER THAN now.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Once upon a time, there was a farmer. He didn't have a lot of money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old horse to plow his field.
One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse dropped dead.
Everyone in the village said, "Oh, what a horrible thing to happen."
The farmer said simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, that everyone in the village got together and, admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a gift.
Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And the farmer said, "We'll see."
A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"
The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."
Eventually, the horse found his way home, and everyone again said, "What a fortunate man."
The farmer said, "We'll see."
Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."
The farmer said, "We'll see."
Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.
Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."
The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."
still_one
(92,061 posts)DURHAM D
(32,606 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)They both do.
Fullduplexxx
(7,845 posts)Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)Facts are facts.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Of Joe Biden this morning was worth the watch.
Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)Republicans, or rather former Repubs know how to go after other Republicans, they know how to attack effectively.
Rebl2
(13,471 posts)But when donnie was running, they let him call in whenever he wanted. So did disgraced Matt Lauer from the Today show. Im glad they have no use for him now, but face it they helped him get elected.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)mdelaguna
(471 posts)monmouth4
(9,686 posts)nice to have a change. I think one person could do it, be a nice shot for Ali Velshi (I just love him) but anyway, good-bye Lack, not sorry to see you go and Mika and Joe should sharpen up their resumes.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)harassment was occurring (Matt Lauer, Harvey Weinstein) and then there was the expensive Megyn Kelly debacle. I don't believe this has anything to do with Biden.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Yes, Yes!!
Catch and Kill is a hell of a good book. Andy Lack doesn't come out of it looking good whatsoever.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)reason.
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)blitzen
(4,572 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,835 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Paladin
(28,243 posts)Rebl2
(13,471 posts)to see Chris Hayes, Andrea Mitchell GONE. Also dont care for that guy that does numbers counting on election nights. Cant remember his name.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Hayes is an opinion guy - hardly a Hard news journalist. You could see him smirking all the way through his hatchet job on VP Biden. As for Andrea... well, she should have been put out to pasture a long time ago.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)No person of color has a prime time slot on MSNBC. Pretty sad.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Although they are supposedly on "our side" they tend to make shit up or twist things.
I like liberal outlets, but some are not reliable.
Celerity
(43,124 posts)fulfillment projection and often pushes borderline or outright falsehoods. It is in a similar vein to the ex Tory drug-addled grifter Louise Mensch.
How the Left Lost Its Mind
Polemicists, conspiracists, and outright fabulists are feeding an alternative media landscapewhere the implausibility of a claim is no bar to its acceptance.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/
Last month, Democratic Senator Ed Markey delivered what seemed like an explosive bit of news during an interview with CNN: A grand jury had been impaneled in New York, he said, to investigate the Trump campaigns alleged collusion with Russia.
The only problem: It wasnt true.
The precise origins of the rumor are difficult to pin down, but it had been ricocheting around social media for days before Markeys interview. The story had no reliable sourcing, and not a single credible news outlet touched itbut it had been fervently championed by The Palmer Report, a liberal blog known for peddling conspiracy theories, and by anti-Trump Twitter crusaders like Louise Mensch. Soon enough, prominent people with blue checkmarks by their names were amplifying it with Big if true-type Tweets. And by May 11, the story had migrated from the bowels of the internet to the mouth of a United States senator.
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Some are relative newcomers to this scene. There is The Palmer Report, the publication of record for anti-Trump conspiracy nuts who dont care about the credibility of the record; Shareblue, a viral news site that aspires, according to its founder David Brock, to become the Breitbart of the left; and Patribotics, home to Menschs Russia-related rumormongering.
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On the about page for The Palmer Report, the site thanks a range of well-known people and mainstream media outlets it claims have shared its (dubious) reporting including Representative Ted Lieu, former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, former DNC chair Howard Dean, the actors Mark Ruffalo and Debra Messing, Newsweek, The Oregonian, and an array of MSNBC contributors. Laurence Tribe, the renowned Harvard scholar of constitutional law, has been an especially active booster for the site, routinely tweeting links to highly questionable, unverified news stories about Trump.
Last April, when Jason Chaffetz announced he would resign his House seat, The Palmer Report published an anonymously sourced bombshell claiming the FBI had discovered the Utah congressman was being blackmailed by the Kremlin. The story was characteristic of the sites well-worn shtick. But that didnt stop Ned Price, a former special assistant to President Obama, from credulously passing it along on Twitter. Interesting, if single-sourced, article from a few days ago, he wrote. Eric Schultz, a senior adviser to Obama, then chimed in, Too bad nobody flagged this earlier. When journalists began pressing the duo on why they were sharing a story from a website with such a spotty track record of accuracy, Prices response was telling. Every once in a blue moon, the tin hat can fit.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/142977/new-paranoia-trump-election-turns-democrats-conspiracy-theorists
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Another left-wing node of conspiratorial diffusion can be found at The Palmer Report, a once relatively obscure pro-Hillary blog that has built a large following with its wildly speculative theories about Trump. According to the site, Trump himself had Russian agent Sergei Mikhailov killed in December to prevent the release of the now infamous pee tape that purportedly shows the president-elect watching as Russian sex workers urinate on a bed the Obamas slept in. Vladimir Putin, the site maintains, is using the video to blackmail Trumpand the president may have already acted on it in a manner which would be both treasonous and murderous. The sites founder, Bill Palmer, routinely blasts out stories that sound serious but are actually based on a single, unverified source. In May, Palmer reported that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts had ordered Trump appointee Neil Gorsuch to recuse himself from all Trump-related Russia hearings. His source? A single tweet from an anonymous Twitter account under the name Puesto Loco.
Long quarantined in the furthest corners of the internet, these left-wing rantings have begun to find their way into mainstream political discourse. In March, Louise Mensch was inexplicably given space on the New York Times op-ed page to trumpet her theories, rattling off a list of Russian operatives she believed should be called to testify before Congressa list that included Peter Thiel and Mark Zuckerberg. Her tally of agents has since expanded to encompass everyone from Black Lives Matter to Sean Hannity to Bernie Sanders. In April, MSNBCs Laurence ODonnell echoed a Palmer Report theory that Syrias chemical weapon attack had been orchestrated by the Russian government, so that Trump could appear to distance himself from Putin. (Like a true conspiracy theorist, ODonnell offered no proof for the claim, insisting instead that you wont hear ... proof that the scenario Ive just outlined is impossible.)
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/palmer-report/
Analysis / Bias
The Palmer Report is typically well sourced and usually points to credible sources. However, there is a very strong liberal bias in reporting and story content. The Palmer Report uses loaded words and sensational headlines that dont always reflect the content of the article. An example headline is as follows: Donald Trumps demented Happy New Year tweet is the worst thing youll read all year. The Palmer Report has been criticized by the Slate for publishing misinformation. Palmer Report also has false and unproven claims according to Snopes, which Mr. Palmer calls the National Enquirer.
From the well respected Atlantic regarding fake news: Its more wish-fulfillment stuff. Trump About to be Arrested! Well, yeah, whens that gonna happen? And we know its coming from the left because I know its coming from known players. Bill Palmer used to run the Daily News Bin, and it was basically a pro-Hillary Clinton news site. It was out there to counter misinformation. Which, okay, fair enough. But then he started to reinvent it as a news site, more and more, and he changed the name to the Palmer Report. The stuff that he puts out there, its nominally true. When you click on it, its some innocuous story [with an outlandish headline]. That is very harmful, I think.
Here is a list of additional False and Misleading Claims:
https://www.snopes.com/jared-kushner-go-saudi-arabia-doesnt-extradition-treaty-us/
https://www.snopes.com/russia-kompromat-jason-chaffetz/
https://www.snopes.com/denis-voronenkov-paul-manafort/
https://www.snopes.com/trump-staged-speechwriting-picture/
Notes from Dennis Kelley: The Palmer Report (TPR) is a liberally biased news site / blog that deals more in confirmation bias than in actual reporting. Confirmation bias generally consists of taking a set of facts, often unrelated, and building a web of conjecture around them in order to present a specific point of view as opposed to the actual facts. While confirmation bias may not be, technically, fake news, the sensational nature of this type of reporting often does more harm than good. Mr. Palmer has been criticized for inaccurate reporting in his work by other fact and bias checking sites, both for his work on Daily News Bin and on TPR, as evidenced by the entries on this list from Snopes, as well this article from the The Atlantic. Although TPR does contain some factual content, the misleading and biased way in which it is presented earns TPR a Questionable rating. (D. Kelley 4/3/17)
Overall, we rate the Palmer Report Left Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that routinely favor the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks.
radius777
(3,635 posts)There are angles/narratives that Palmer sees about Trump, Bernie etc that make perfect sense to me.
He covers topics the MSM won't, in a way they won't.
Palmer stood firm that Biden would win the nomination (due to his strong support amongst black voters in the South) while the MSM was crowning Bernie the winner on the basis of a few small primary (mainly white) states.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)at all.
sellitman
(11,605 posts)Not only did I stop following him...I have blocked him and Mensch. Both are unreliable grifters.
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)kimbutgar
(21,056 posts)in the background.
Cha
(296,867 posts)Thank you Activists, who are Not standing for MSNBC's Propaganda! How you like it now, Chris Hayes, Andrea Butter emails, Mitchell?
We the People are Serious.. we Don't want the Maniacal Killer in for 4 more years.
Mahalo for this, Durham.. I hope it changes their gaslighting shows.
Cary
(11,746 posts)DURHAM D
(32,606 posts)probably didn't help Lack's standing.
btw - Every time they say mahalo on Magnum P.I. I think of you.
Cha
(296,867 posts)Sweet.. now I'll think of you when anyone says Mahalo! I love that show.. Detective Gordon Katsumoto is my fave.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Cha
(296,867 posts)finally heard!
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)spent some time replying and retweeting.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Hayes giving Trump the Devil on Lab theory.
Too late, Chris. You need to go with Lack. To be honest we need new faces. I liked Ari until his Rapper bit. Off he goes.
JHB
(37,157 posts)...sing it!
(metaphorically speaking)
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)ome sit next to me.'
niyad
(113,076 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)Teddy Roosevelt's daughter..She had it embroidered on little Victorian pillows.
niyad
(113,076 posts)Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)horses.
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)If you check out google...some have said Dorothy Parker and some Alice Roosevelt Longworth, but from what I see and I have not really checked it out thoroughly, it looks like Longworth said it. As an aside, I love Dorothy Parker.
niyad
(113,076 posts)A few years ago, I read a mystery (title now forgotten, alas), in which Dorothy Parker's spirit was one of the main characters.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)must be the "love" child of Murdoch. Who's your Daddy, Andy?
Gothmog
(144,939 posts)Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)When MSNBC's ratings took a nose-dive in 2014, "All In with Chris Hayes" was said to be the first show to the chopping block. When Andy Lack took over the NBC News division in March, he was reportedly intent on freeing up Hayes' 8 pm hour. And when MSNBC finally began shedding shows over the summer as part of an effort to rebrand as a straightforward news channel, Hayes was seen as a certain casualty.
The reports weren't wrong. Lack has been trying to replace Hayes since he arrived in March, and MSNBC President Phil Griffin had been considering a change since well before then, MSNBC sources told CNN. Hayes show, which launched in 2013, was ratings averse from the get-go, and has set record lows for the 8 pm hour -- one of the most coveted and competitive hours in cable news. In the most recent quarter, it averaged just 134,000 viewers in the demo, a distant third behind Fox News and CNN.
https://money.cnn.com/2015/10/06/media/chris-hayes-msnbc-show/index.html
Lack has made some terrible programming choices which cost the network a lot of money(Megyn Kelly) and there are sexual harassment rumors. He was going to step down after this year anyway.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)What did I miss while being very sick?
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)2 hours each day. I think they were working him to death. Ruhle went back to her Financial background but now she seems to be on all the shows.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)and has been airing Pandemic stats show with the republican doctor on Thursdays. He's been on
kcr
(15,315 posts)Shouldn't be the first head to roll there, but it's a start.
bucolic_frolic
(43,062 posts)They've also recently elevated Nicolle Wallace and Stephanie Ruhle. I'm no big fan of Ruhle, she's dragging business perspective into every political story. It's as if CNBC is invading. But those 3 plus Lawrence O'Donnell, Brian Williams, and Joy Reid make up the generally unassailable core of the network.
Hekate
(90,562 posts)... (7 years at Deutsche Bank, being informed she and other women couldn't go on business travel with men because it might look bad) and has a humane sense of ethics. I like that in a journalist.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)An expert in Finance. Give her the night time show. 7 PM would be perfect.
onetexan
(13,023 posts)Others tend to be iffy & Morning Joe has become an unbearable shoutfest for scarborough so i only tune in when theres something big going on.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Joe asks a question ,then blabs until you forgot what he asked the guest, then they might get a minute to answer.
onetexan
(13,023 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)FakeNoose
(32,596 posts)I swear, this guy had nine lives and he's wasted them all. It's long past time for him to go!
Good riddance.
NY06DemSoc
(42 posts)DURHAM D
(32,606 posts)Thanks for posting.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)remember his afternoon show?
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)remember his afternoon show?