There are two things coming our way that will get everybody's attention, including Trump voters.

[shockey80]

Very soon the death toll from the virus will surpass the number of Americans killed in WWI. That will be all over the news. That will get everybody's attention.

There will come a time when the virus will reach a saturation point. What I mean by that is, so many people will have been infected, so many people will have died, most Americans will know someone who died and almost died from the virus.

I don't think the people who are protesting against stay at home orders have been personally effected by the virus yet. I don't think there are too many people protesting stay at home orders, who know someone that has died.

When people lose someone to this virus, that changes everything. Most people do not know someone who has died from the virus yet.

There will come a time when most Americans will know someone they care about died from the virus or almost died from the virus. Attitudes will change when we reach a saturation point.

[Wellstone ruled]

1. As many

Public Policy Wonks have said,until most people have lost a family member,or know some one who has died ,will the real push to oust Trump begin.

[NotHardly]

15. One could hope they would wake up but I remain very skeptical ... we'll see.

[Wellstone ruled]

31. Dare say,three weeks

or might be sooner,if today's projections even come close,this story will have a different meaning. Coming from a Midwestern back ground,do know those Towns and Cities were the local Packing house is the main employer and how the non Immigrant Citizens not only think and how they operate until something causes that main Employer to be dysfunctional and how the finger pointing and the blame game works.

It is going to get down right ugly for the Families and extended Families of Covid victims. The locals will make it a living hell until enough of them become like victims and their family is affected.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

50. I concur...

... but as to the three weeks, I am not too sure. Lots of stubborn, indoctrinated WTFox Noise viewers here in the American outback (South Dakota).

[Wellstone ruled]

54. Could be longer

for the likes of Lake and Hamlin Counties. Huron and Redfield as well as Pierre will change as the body count goes up. Hunch says,the numbers are being buried.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Prescient. Because you are tuned in & you think (unlike Deplorables). Death concentrates some minds

[iemitsu]

3. Except these nuts, who are out protesting,

see themselves as martyrs for an end times scenario, or as an opportunity to overthrow the government, or as a chance to start a race war. They don't care, who is affected by their behavior.
They are deplorable.

[Rebl2]

21. They may

pay the price with their protesting. They may well catch the virus and pass it to family and possibly die. They may end up having devastating after effects like blood clots, strokes, kidney damage. Time will tell. They are not martyrs, just very stupid.

[iemitsu]

32. I totally agree with you on all these points.

Sad and stupid.

[lark]

42. The problem is then nurses will risk their lives to save the asses.

Wish the protestors could be spray painted with something that won't come off, some small spot on their hand, so when they come into hospitals they get turned away, because the disease is a hoax so they can take care of their own damn selves and infect their family and not the nurses. That would be justice. Unfortunately, there is no longer justice in the USA, just right wing asshole judges for the most part. Those that aren't rw just get over-ridden by fascist Russian Repug SCOTUS.

[iemitsu]

55. Yeah.

[Pause]

60. Mark of the Beast

My mom is Pentecostal Assembly of God.

She already told me Trump was God's Chosen
to start the apocalypse.






I guess we now wait for; famine, frogs, flies, boils, endless night.

[lark]

63. She thinks he's the anti-christ?

I have thought that myself, except he's not lovely.

[tinrobot]

51. Looking at the pictures, I see a bunch of overweight posers, myself.

They wear their weapons like trophy wives wear expensive purses. It's a fashion accessory.

Unfortunately, many also look to be overweight and not in optimal health. When they get sick (and many will), they'll get sicker than most. They may truly become martyrs.

[iemitsu]

56. Martyrs to stupidity. Darwin award candidates.

[uponit7771]

4. The second part will come only after 20 million infected. U of W projections stop in August cause

... they don't understand humans aren't rational and are going to only look at the good news.

The virus is not going to stop infecting people in August because the U of W projections or the CDC said it would

[gibraltar72]

5. I call that a lightswitch moment. I really thought 50,000 would do it.

I ask naysayers to give me an acceptable number. No one will do that.

[meadowlander]

11. The bigger the number, the less people will care.

The daily death toll just becomes normalised and another statistic.

What we need is cameras in the ICUs actually showing people what a bad course of this virus looks like. We needs journalists interviewing health care professionals 24/7 and talking about the impact this is having on their mental health. We need to see interviews with families who weren't able to be there for their loved ones dying breaths. And we need to see the stacks of coffins.

And this needs to get out through popular channels to people who don't watch or read the news. It needs to be staring them in the face every time they open up Facebook or YouTube or use a search engine or listen to their morning radio show.

That's the only thing that will make this really real for people.

[machoneman]

43. True. Just like in the Vietnam War, as the daily death count rose, people tuned out, not in!

Sad but true. The facts started to disturb us so much we ignored them. As another posted here, until a family loses a loved one, valued neighbor, a pal, a distant but well-loved relative, then and only then will masses of folks rise up and strike down the Trumpenator in November. Good Lord, President Biden will need to fire every single agency head and lots of their support staff, Cabinet members and even many military heads (they went along with the scam to transfer Congressional approved $ to build that stupid wall) on Day One.

Then and only then can we rid our Republic of the filth that Trumpyboy brought to our formerly fine country. Let a proclamation and Executive Order be made that no picture of the Orangeman may ever appear in a government office, school, library or other institution under pain of jail. Let his impeached name be struck or denied from any building, airport, highway etc. for all time. Let every institution of higher learning teach what an ass, liar, cheat and worse he was. Let business schools mock his many, many failed enterprise and use his name as a beacon of failure.

[Kaiserguy]

18. I doubt that the death of one million

American would change the very small minds of Trumpers. They would say ! Just look at how we owned the liberals we show them even a million dead and we still love Trump.

[Mister Ed]

19. One million deaths would mean nothing to them, but one death would mean a great deal.

IF that one death were their best buddy, or their spouse, or - God, I hope not - their child.

These people tend to be okay with mass suffering, as long as it's only happening to the Other People, far away.

[BComplex]

35. Bingo, Mr. Ed.

These people are so deep into their Fox "news" cult that they don't allow themselves an independent thought. Only when it smacks them in the chops do they finally start to see some light.

[tinrobot]

52. Considering the way they ignore the guidelines...

...most of that one million may be small-minded Trumpers.

Not that I want that to be the case. We have already lost too many.

[TexasBushwhacker]

34. We'll hit 70K deaths in the US tonight n/t

[Jack from Charlotte]

58. There were 405,000 Americans killed in WWII.....

As of this writing there are 70,000 American deaths due to The Republican/Trump Virus.

[onenote]

6. I don't think that day is coming soon if at all

First, I doubt many people today are going to be moved when the number of deaths surpasses the number that occurred in WWI. The number that died in combat in that war has already been overtaken. If -- and hopefully it doesn't get to this point, the number of deaths tops the number killed in WWII (over 400,000) or the Civil War (600,000) that will get the media's attention.

Second, the number of people known to be infected is not spread evenly around the country. In over half the states, the number of cases is under 2 in 1000. In all but a handful its under 9 per 1000. How many people know 1000 people? Chances are a very large portion of the population will not personally know someone infected -- or if they do, they will know someone infected who was asymptomatic or recovered -- that's not going to make those who lack the empathy to care about the disease now suddenly care about it.

[Blue_true]

12. The reaction to this virus is tracking the reaction to the 1918 virus.

The 1918 virus spread all over the world in the first wave and killed some people, while many more were unaffected by it or recovered. A similar pattern seems to be shaping up for this virus, at least on the first pass.

Once the 1918 virus was in the population worldwide, it mutated into a deadlier virus. Doctors in NYC are saying that they are seeing a shockingly large number of young, healthy people getting seriously ill from covid19, some are saying that trend is new and surprising given what was previously known about the virus.

We can go in one of two directions:

COVID19 find humans to be a decent but not perfect host, it mutates but never to a more lethal form and at some point, it burns itself out after doing a lot of damage, but not earth-shattering damage (tens of thousands of lives lost as opposed to millions). So the world recovers without every person being touched by the virus somehow.

Covid19 finds the perfect host in humans and mutates toward a SARS or MERS lethality, while still maintaining it's slower incubation rate. Covid19 is already in the neighborhood of SARS lethality at over 60% as lethal as SARS and covid19 has maintained it's slow incubation rate and tendency to asymptomatically infect some people and have them become super-spreaders. If a mutation causes covid19 to jump SARS in lethality, even if it comes nowhere near MERS in lethality (around 70-80% fatality rate for those infected), then the world is in major trouble if covid19 keeps it's tendencies on incubation duration, which is possible, the 1918 virus did that exact thing. What some medical people are reporting vis seeing young healthy people fell, says covid19 may be mutating in a direction that is going to make it deadlier to everyone.

[denem]

7. There's a third thing coming: A depression

which will not 'magically disappear' when the restrictions are lifted.

[Stuart G]

9. Yes, an "Economic Depression" could be coming. If that happens it will be brutal in ways no one

can imagine.

[denem]

10. An economic depression all around the world.

Smoot-Hawley spread the depression in the 1930s. The coronavirus did not need tariffs.

[uponit7771]

17. +1, China is literally paying citizen's to shop Google China Vouchers

[abqtommy]

8. I learned about lemmings when I was in gradeschool many years ago. I've just never

understood the drive for mass suicide that afflicts them but lately I've realized that there have to be
some lemmings who survive by being out of town or having stronger survival traits since it's obvious
there have to be survivors to build up the population for the next event.

I think that tRUMP/reTHUGS and cultists are following the same plan. Many/most of them will happily
dive off a cliff for their own demented reasons. There will be a few survivors/those who don't follow
the crowd and we'll have to watch them closely because up with this shit we will not put!

Maybe some righties will "get it" but I doubt that very many will.

[bullimiami]

13. i think a lot of the morans still believe its someone elses problem. china, new york, big city.

it will become a lot more serious when it hits their homes.
and of course it will, and hard.

[Roc2020]

59. it's a problem for the whole country now with

no signs of easing up. as for the effect on the election, all is left is how bad does it have to get before the 40-45% of hardcore Trump voters scream uncle and either stay home or <gasp> some voting for biden.

[cab67]

14. Personal loss is important here.

For 30 years, AM talk radio and Fox "News" have allowed people to live in an alternate reality. And as long as their experiences could be squeezed into the narrative they were being fed, all was well in their lives.

This is different. This isn't just an economic downturn that can be blamed on Democrats. This isn't something mostly hurting people far away. This can't be pretended out of existence.

People I knew have died of COVID - no one especially close, but it brought the whole thing home.

[machoneman]

47. Nope you're wrong. Fox and AM talk will blame us, the media, the Chinese and anyone else handy.

They will blame President Obama (he did nothing to stop this virus!) President Bush (he coddled the Chinese!) Speaker Pelosi (same as Bush!) Leader Schumer (NY did it to themselves!) and more. Owning the libs is their daily mantra as hey, "I take no responsibility..." for anything. AS we all now know, the 'plan' is to take all credit (as if 69,000 deaths is a win?) and blame all 50 state governors for any past, current and future deaths.

Dontchaknow he's the ever stable genius...............my butt!

[cab67]

49. I know they will.

But many of these people are going to start seeing a personal disconnect between what they're told and what they can actually see. Blame is one thing; pretending the problem doesn't exist is another.

[warmfeet]

16. Perhaps, but please also keep in mind that

he is killing his own base. Tens of thousands of people in rural, red areas, will die from his lack of action and his wrongful action. Dead people don't vote so well. Trump is fucking himself. That is a good thing. The damage he is doing in the process, that's a bad thing. Get him out as soon as possible.

[WyattKansas]

20. He will throw a tantrum about how China cheated for Biden first, which he already floated...

Then he will do everything to make everything miserable for the American People for rejecting him, and in the end he will blame and try to nuke the American People. If he can't be the winner, then nobody will.

[Sogo]

24. "Dead people don't vote so well."

They do as long as they remain on the voter rolls.

Rs are known for scouring obituaries and seeing to it that those people vote, as long as they haven't been purged from voting records, and they "assist" old people in nursing homes to vote who no longer have presence of mind.

I have first hand knowledge of someone who moved from my state a few months before the 2004 election, and didn't register in time in her new state to vote. The Rs in her new state told her to request an absentee ballot from her former state (knowing the voter rolls would not have been purged yet), even though she retained no connection to the the state. Clearly illegal. I got wind of it and filed a complaint at my county courthouse. They intercepted her ballot, and it was invalidated.

Rs cheat.

[BComplex]

36. I know this for a fact, too, Sogo.

They tried to get a ballot to my relative in a nursing home who was a life-long democrat. Luckily her mind was still sharp, and she let her immediate family know. They put a stop to it.

[RainCaster]

22. We have gone beyond the Korean War, WW1 and VietNam War, when will the repugs say "enuff is enuff"?

Come on now, haven't you clowns had enough yet?

I am completely appalled at their sense of morality.

[calimary]

25. Not yet. They're still hellbent on packing the courts with knuckledraggers

as long as they think they can get away with it. There's a whiff of desperation in the air now, as though they sense they may be running out of time to get that done.

[cwydro]

61. No, we've not caught up to WW1 yet.

Thank god.

[RainCaster]

62. You're right- that was 116,708. Give us a few more weeks.

I do not say that glibly, but with great disgust at our administration.

[Orrex]

23. Herr Trump's cult of idiot racist fuckheads will never abandon him. Never.

Write them off right now, en masse, and forget about ever steering them back to reality. Sure, a few outliers might be inspired to turn from their zealotry, but such epiphanies will be rare and, in many cases, fleeting. That is, at the first opportunity, these awakened cultists will leap at the chance to vote for another Trump-like Republican.

Fuck every last one of them.

Stop trying to guess the number of deaths that will open their eyes, because that number does not exist. They are a death cult, so 50K, 100K, 1000K deaths do not impress them.

The cult will not die until the last cultist is dead, and certainly it will outlive the idiot racist fuckhead Trump himself. They could catch Trump in the act of personally murdering their own children, and they'd find a way to be ok with it. They are that fucked up.


Fuck every last one of them.

[BamaRefugee]

28. +1

[I_UndergroundPanther]

30. Yes this☝️

Eventually they will provoke people into killing them.

And if or when that happens I wish every last one of them gone. Forever.

[BComplex]

37. That matches some of the ones I know well.

And their utter lack of ability to deal with anything that is true is, well, frightening.

[hadEnuf]

53. A good example of this is the Nazis at the end of WWII who still fanatically supported Hitler

as Germany laid in utter ruin.

[hurple]

26. I am seeing among some of my "friends" on FB

People who were all in on the stay at home at first, are now all like, aw it was just a hoax, because they don't know anyone affected... yet.

[BamaRefugee]

27. It won't matter at all to Deplorables. They will NEVER admit that they made a mistake loving trump.

I don't care if a rented Ryder van is hauling away the whole dead family, the one remaining family member will be blaming Obama and wearing a MAGA hat for the TV cameras.

[Squidly]

38. Theres already a huge push to blame Dems for this

An old Navy buddy of mine has been posting crap on FB lately blaming Dem governors for the deaths saying their states have higher death tolls than red states...its idiotic. I dont even bother trying to counter his crap cause his mind is so poisoned. Sometimes I wonder what happened to him because he was never like this when we served together...its the only reason I have not put his account on ignore.

[BamaRefugee]

39. Please don't tell me he's a retired CPO living on Whidbey Island...we may know the same guy

[Squidly]

40. Retired CPO

But wrong coast

[RainCaster]

29. Those f-ing Trumpanzees will NEVER get a clue

What makes you think that they will ever have multiple brain cells? I have no belief that will ever happen.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

33. I hope that you're correct.

People can get accustomed to all kinds of things after awhile, even death.

I finally accepted that Trump is indeed the President after enough time had passed.

I’m reminded of this Woody Allen movie called “Oedipus Wrecks”, about a middle-aged man’s controlling and invasive mother appearing in the sky over NYC after a magician had supposedly made her disappear.

A TV reporter in the movie said, “It has been two weeks now since Mrs. Sadie Millstein has been in her strange predicament and, typically, New Yorkers have come to accept it as just another fact of life in the city.”

[tazkcmo]

41. Love your optimism

I don't share it. MAGAts will always be MAGAts.

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. And I think some folks aren't looking at the numbers in a way that truly hits home.

As I type this, one of the global dashboards available online has reported 1,213,774 diagnosed positive cases in the United States with 69,954 deaths.

That means that approximately one in every 270 Americans has tested positive. And we know the testing is crap.

It means that approximately one in every 4,700 Americans has died. And we know there are most likely unreported deaths because of available excess death data.

I'll grant that some of the diagnoses and deaths are not counted in the USA population, but I don't think enough to seriously move those numbers.

When I first started looking at it this way a week ago today, it was one in every 330 diagnosed positive and one in 5,800 dead.

From 330 to 270 and from 5,800 to 4,700 in one week. One week.

[Hugin]

45. It's times like these which make me glad I'm an observational learner and not an experiential...

learner.

Yup. Very happy.

[marble falls]

46. The "saturation point" is the critical marker. And as you point out, now because of Trump ...

policy in action, it is inevitable.

[Hotler]

48. The only time a repug changes their tune is when it happens to them. nt

[Marthe48]

57. My neighbor's uncle, daughter's friend's grandmother

have passed away from Covid-19. They were both residents at a local nursing home which got infected in March.
A daughter's friend, a nurse, tested positive right before Easter, is still recovering.
My other daughter's boss got sick in March, right before the office staff started working from home. He is still sick.
My nephew's wife probably had it in March.
One of our cousin's sons had to self-isolate. And another cousin's sons, a dr., was exposed at work. Another cousin knows someone who tested positive, but is asymptomatic.
These people are all residents of the U.S. and live in different states.

So far, people I know in other countries are staying well.

[garybeck]

64. world war 1 deaths 116,000

we are currently at 72,000

let's hope that we don't get there "very soon."