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Are there people who test positive for COVID19 but never get sick at all? (Original Post) milestogo May 2020 OP
Yes LeftInTX May 2020 #1
Do those same people just "carry" and never clear the virus then? mchill May 2020 #2
I think they are still trying to figure it all out Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #10
For years. ...nt 2naSalit May 2020 #17
Most likely is a sub-clinical immune response. backscatter712 May 2020 #19
Probably just a very sensitive test ... mr_lebowski May 2020 #3
Yep DetroitLegalBeagle May 2020 #4
There are ten percent of Europeans who are immune to AIDS csziggy May 2020 #12
My buddy's mom, dad, sister and brother in law all tested positive. Hassin Bin Sober May 2020 #22
Sounds gaffey LanternWaste May 2020 #23
I read 40-50%. And I hear you. And all the ways it goes after the body. LizBeth May 2020 #5
There are large numbers of people who get it, and spread it, but never know it htuttle May 2020 #6
Yes Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #7
Yes ananda May 2020 #8
And not just the flu. Typhoid Mary was never herself sick, and refused to believe she was... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #9
I believe Rand Paul was one of them Polybius May 2020 #11
Reportedly there are Renew Deal May 2020 #13
Yes but before we all hope to be an asymptomatic carrier don't forget about latent dormancy. flying_wahini May 2020 #14
So much we don't know. I've read several theories. And they are just that. Theories. GulfCoast66 May 2020 #15
Almost 400 people tested positive in Missouri with Tipperary May 2020 #16
Same In IL ProfessorGAC May 2020 #21
Influenza acts similarly. BGBD May 2020 #18
They are the asymptomatics SoCalDem May 2020 #20

mchill

(1,017 posts)
2. Do those same people just "carry" and never clear the virus then?
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:30 PM
May 2020

Since they never mount an immune defense (which is what makes one feel sick), then does the virus just hang out? I know this is true for one feline coronavirus.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
10. I think they are still trying to figure it all out
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:46 PM
May 2020

Mary Mallon, aka Typhoid Mary, was an asymptomatic carrier of Typhoid. She kept infecting household after household.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. Most likely is a sub-clinical immune response.
Tue May 5, 2020, 01:29 AM
May 2020

Either very light symptoms, or no symptoms - the immune system kills the infection so quickly you never notice you had it. Sort of like when you get a flu shot - some people might get light cold/flu symptoms from a flu vaccine - that's an immune response kicking in. But most people don't feel a thing - the immune system just does its job in the background and makes antibodies.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. Probably just a very sensitive test ...
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:32 PM
May 2020

You have to be exposed to enough of the virus for it to take a hold and make you sick. Meanwhile it can be detected at much lower levels.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,915 posts)
4. Yep
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:38 PM
May 2020

My doctor friend and half of the nurses he works with either tested positive for COVID with no symptoms, or tested positive for antibodies with no recent illness. He(the Dr) tested twice positive for igg antibodies, which is found post infection. He never knew he was sick nor does he know when he got it. The more interesting thing, at least to him, are the people who didn't get it despite repeated exposure. He's talking about multiple family members of infected patients who were in constant close contact with the patients prior to hospitalization and test negative for both the virus and antibodies. He thinks, and I guess there are multiple studies into this now, that despite being a novel virus, there is a sizable amount of the population who simply are not susceptible to getting it for some reason. He says it goes hand in hand with all the asymptomatic cases, that hey are simply borderline susceptible and never notice the disease and clear it without issue.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
12. There are ten percent of Europeans who are immune to AIDS
Mon May 4, 2020, 10:05 PM
May 2020

And that sort of process could explain people who do no catch this disease.

Biologists Discover Why 10 Percent Of Europeans Are Safe From HIV Infection

Date: April 3, 2005
Source: University Of Liverpool
Summary: Biologists at the University of Liverpool have discovered how the plagues of the Middle Ages have made around 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV.

Biologists at the University of Liverpool have discovered how the plagues of the Middle Ages have made around 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV.

Scientists have known for some time that these individuals carry a genetic mutation (known as CCR5-delta 32) that prevents the virus from entering the cells of the immune system but have been unable to account for the high levels of the gene in Scandinavia and relatively low levels in areas bordering the Mediterranean.

They have also been puzzled by the fact that HIV emerged only recently and could not have played a role in raising the frequency of the mutation to the high levels found in some Europeans today.

Professor Christopher Duncan and Dr Susan Scott from the University’s School of Biological Sciences, whose research is published in the March edition of Journal of Medical Genetics, attribute the frequency of the CCR5-delta 32 mutation to its protection from another deadly viral disease, acting over a sustained period in bygone historic times.

More: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325234239.htm


I don't know enough of cell biology to know if this particular immunity could also apply to the coronavirus, but something similar could be at work here - a small percentage are just not capable of catching a virus that uses the same pathway.

Unfortunately it seems to be tied to Northern Europeans:

Could the Black Death protect against HIV?
People who survived the Black Death could have passed on a mutation that prevents the human immunodeficiency virus entering cells.
David Nicholson(dn@davidnicholson.com)
Jul 12, 2001

LONDON Several teams of scientists around the world have, for some time, been studying the possibility that a genetic mutation perpetuated by the organism responsible for bubonic plague, or the Black Death, in the Middle Ages - Yersinia pestis - might give people now carrying the mutation increased resistance to the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) compared to non-carriers. New research has thrown doubt on the micro-organism that was thought to have caused the Black Death, but the link to HIV resistance seems to remain.

<SNIP>

The Danish group rejected the idea that the mutation became more prevalent as a result of the Black Death because the epidemic began in Sicily (in the South) and spread north to Scandinavia. This direction of travel would have predicted that the prevalence of the mutation would have become higher in the South than in the North, which is the reverse of what actually happened.

Assuming that the mutation arose in Scandinavia, Eugen-Olsen's team concentrated on determining the time of the major spread of the mutation by examining bones found in Denmark, dating from the last Ice Age, around 8000 BC to 1950 BC. In particular, they focused on the time between 1800 and 2600 BC, a Mesolithic period of massive change and migration.

Their findings suggested that the CCR-5-Δ32 mutation was already highly prevalent in Denmark before the Black Death. Rasmussen reported: "There is support in the fact that the distribution of the Single Grave Culture in Northern and Middle Europe matches that of the high prevalence of 32Δ." This meant that an epidemic decimating the Stone Age population could explain the archaeological observations as well as the distribution of the 32Δ mutation.

They proposed that people with the genetic mutation were then more likely to survive the Black Death, passing on the mutation to current generations and conferring resistance to HIV.

More: https://www.the-scientist.com/research-round-up/could-the-black-death-protect-against-hiv-54468


Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
22. My buddy's mom, dad, sister and brother in law all tested positive.
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:05 AM
May 2020

Only the brother in law is showing some mild symptoms. The mom and dad are showing the Post infection antibodies. Not sure what the daughter’s status is.

They are all under the same roof because the sister and brother in law are having their house renovated.

They figure the dad initially got it at a doctor’s office visit.

Not sure how they got all this testing done but the daughter is a doctor so that may have something to do with it.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
6. There are large numbers of people who get it, and spread it, but never know it
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:41 PM
May 2020

Could be as high as 60% of those who get it are asymptomatic.

I haven't seen any real answers about why some get it severely, and some don't.

There are some commonalities among most of those who get it severely, but enough outliers among the young and healthy to point to something more complicated. Viral load (how 'much of' it you get) was postulated as one possible factor, but there are a lot of weird ways this virus seems to present itself symptomatically (some get fevers, some don't. Some start with stomach upset, some start with a cough or sore throat, etc), so who knows. Not me -- I just read a lot of doctors' feeds on Twitter, and this is what I've been reading.

ananda

(28,836 posts)
8. Yes
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:43 PM
May 2020

There are some theories as to why.

One is that some lungs have virus-repellant
receptors.

Another is that the primary immune response
is sufficient, and it doesn't get to the bad
stage.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. And not just the flu. Typhoid Mary was never herself sick, and refused to believe she was...
Mon May 4, 2020, 09:44 PM
May 2020

a carrier. She had to be forcibly restrained to stop infecting others.

flying_wahini

(6,578 posts)
14. Yes but before we all hope to be an asymptomatic carrier don't forget about latent dormancy.
Mon May 4, 2020, 10:57 PM
May 2020

Herpes zoster and simplex are both latent viruses and can stay in our bodies for life and can
Become active later. Haven’t heard any mention of any studies about asymptomatic carriers.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
15. So much we don't know. I've read several theories. And they are just that. Theories.
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:41 PM
May 2020

You get a small virus load and the body deals with it easily.

20% of common colds are caused by corona viruses and a ton of us have had one. They might yield some protection.

Some people may have a genetic make up that makes them more resistant to this virus.

It will be years before we get an answer. If ever.

ProfessorGAC

(64,865 posts)
21. Same In IL
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:53 AM
May 2020

Meat processor had to close due to around 25% positive rate. 3 people were very sick and dozen missed a day or two of work. The other 50ish positives weren't sick.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
18. Influenza acts similarly.
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:06 AM
May 2020

Saw one study a year or so ago that showed up to 75% of influenza infections were asymptomatic.

I think we will find that there are just instances where someones immune system recognizes the virus as an invader early in the course and beats it without having to employ things like high fevers and inflammation. After that, they develop antibodies from exposure to the virus, which is why the test positive for those. None of us had ever been exposed to Covid-19 before the past few months, but ALL of us have been exposed to coronaviruses all our lives. There are four human endemic CVs that circulate seasonally. It stands to reason that if have antibodies to those there is a chance our immune systems could recognize Covid a little quicker as well.

We have found positive C19 tests with asymptomatic cases, but that is almost exclusively from either tests of whole populations (nursing homes, ships, prisons, etc) or because of tests given to people with significant exposure to a known case.

None of these are going to give us great insight into how many cases in the general population are asymptomatic. People in nursing home and prisons can be expected to be in worse general health than average and people on cruise ships do tend to be older than average and thus have more occurrence of chronic conditions that could compromise their immune system and make symptomatic infection more likely.

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