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AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:57 AM May 2020

Survey shows that almost a quarter of Americans will refuse a COVID-19 vaccine

Last edited Tue May 5, 2020, 02:40 PM - Edit history (1)

By Kristin Lunz Trujillo and Matt Motta

The availability of a vaccine for the novel coronavirus will likely play a key role in determining when Americans can return to life as usual. Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on April 30 announced that a vaccine could even be available by January 2021.
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READ: The Race to a Coronavirus Vaccine ]

Whether a vaccine can end this pandemic successfully, however, depends on more than its effectiveness at providing immunity against the virus, or how quickly it can be produced in mass quantities. Americans also must choose to receive the vaccine.

According to some estimates, 50% to 70% of Americans would need to develop immunity to COVID-19 – either naturally, or via a vaccine – in order to thwart the spread of the virus. If these estimates are correct, that could mean that nearly twice as many Americans would need to elect to receive a COVID-19 vaccine than those who currently opt to be vaccinated against seasonal influenza. Just 37% of American adults did so in 2017-2018, even in the midst of a historically severe flu season.

[link:https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-05-04/many-vaccine-skeptics-plan-to-refuse-a-covid-19-vaccine-study-suggests|

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I literally cannot understand how people got so stupid. This is just another example of how far away we have gotten from science and into the realm of woo.

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Survey shows that almost a quarter of Americans will refuse a COVID-19 vaccine (Original Post) AllyCat May 2020 OP
we don't make it a choice beachbumbob May 2020 #1
+1000000000 Lochloosa May 2020 #3
These idiots are killing people because they don't want to wear a mask AllyCat May 2020 #4
Agree. This isn't optional. SoonerPride May 2020 #7
Much more easily said than done. Crunchy Frog May 2020 #45
That's not a practical reality fescuerescue May 2020 #58
For me, it depends... Wounded Bear May 2020 #2
no one is going to be offering a valid vaccine in 4 months beachbumbob May 2020 #5
And? The question was pretty vague on that. Wounded Bear May 2020 #8
I am not so pessimistic. a valid vaccine is a valid vaccine vs dying a painful death? beachbumbob May 2020 #11
Of course not. There is no reason to believe we would have a safe and effective vaccine AllyCat May 2020 #6
Which I agree with. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I don't trust capitalism much...nt Wounded Bear May 2020 #10
Wow, 'dying to own the libs" from the left mathematic May 2020 #29
You really went there? Wounded Bear May 2020 #34
I'm even more surprised that you pivoted to a libertarian justification mathematic May 2020 #35
Good lord, you are well stocked with the names to label... Wounded Bear May 2020 #36
+1, no rational person who's been paying attention would trust those agencies now uponit7771 May 2020 #42
Be positive qwlauren35 May 2020 #21
I would not trust a vaccine while Trump is president, period. shockey80 May 2020 #31
I would. I'd volunteer to be part of the testing. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #32
I would gladly accept a vaccine in 4 months. No concern on safety. NutmegYankee May 2020 #44
If it comes out of the administration of Donnie Bodybags, I will not take it. Squinch May 2020 #9
Joe will be President by then. tavernier May 2020 #14
After a house cleaning, the CDC wouldn't get as bad as it is without so many functionaries in it uponit7771 May 2020 #43
Even most anti-vaxers would get a covid vaccine. Phoenix61 May 2020 #12
I am not allowed to get vaccines CountAllVotes May 2020 #13
What about mRNA vaccines? DrToast May 2020 #37
I don't know CountAllVotes May 2020 #39
No I was not vaccinated with mRNA CountAllVotes May 2020 #51
Thus proving Darwin's theory . OregonBlue May 2020 #15
Except these idiots will take regular science believers AllyCat May 2020 #18
You are correct but hopefully they'll take mostly their own. OregonBlue May 2020 #47
Bill Gates is going to use the vaccine to inject us with microchips...... Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #16
Absurd, yes. Comical not so much MadLinguist May 2020 #23
Even some educated people and even some liberal people believe this stuff Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #25
good to know that your housemate is not a trump fan, but I'll bet she can be induced MadLinguist May 2020 #33
With this group in charge? ibegurpard May 2020 #17
45's bought vaccine? No. The rest of the world is working on it AllyCat May 2020 #19
We'll see where it comes from and who's touting it ibegurpard May 2020 #20
When we get a new government I will get a vaccine. Not until then. blueinredohio May 2020 #22
The desert has room for antivaxxers tirebiter May 2020 #24
Anti vaxxers can go lick subway poles. Initech May 2020 #26
There is a dental asst at my dentists office who doesn't take vaccines for religious reasons. milestogo May 2020 #27
Need to brand anyone that does not vaccinate. LiberalFighter May 2020 #28
Bye bye herd immunity. dawg May 2020 #30
Count me in among the stupid. I'm not going to accept the "warp speed" vaccine that trump & ecstatic May 2020 #38
There are reasonable people in the world using science to create a vaccine AllyCat May 2020 #40
Yep. I don't trust anything coming from Trump, either. GoCubsGo May 2020 #54
Fine - more for the rest of us ribrepin May 2020 #41
If it's expedited and didn't go through the proper vetting process, I'd be at the back of the line Victor_c3 May 2020 #46
Spiteful opposition. That will drop dramatically when one is available. nt Hortensis May 2020 #48
I hope you are right AllyCat May 2020 #49
I hope what comes between doesn't make it an understatement. Hortensis May 2020 #50
That # will change... lame54 May 2020 #52
I always said that if I could do things over again, GoCubsGo May 2020 #53
Not a bit surprised. Aristus May 2020 #55
Then make it mandatory obamanut2012 May 2020 #56
I won't refuse it. But I won't be at the head of the line either fescuerescue May 2020 #57

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
4. These idiots are killing people because they don't want to wear a mask
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:59 AM
May 2020

I can hardly believe we will be successful in getting people wrestled down for a vaccination. I think it is time to move to a thinking country, for me anyway.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
7. Agree. This isn't optional.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:02 AM
May 2020

Unless you have a specific and verifiable medical condition which precludes you getting a vaccine, you are given this shot. Period.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
45. Much more easily said than done.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:46 PM
May 2020

People would get killed trying to enforce it. Picture large groups of heavily armed "resistors" engaging in shootouts with people attempting to forcibly vaccinate them.

Plus I don't think it would stand up in the courts.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
58. That's not a practical reality
Mon May 11, 2020, 01:17 PM
May 2020

Putting aside the logistics for forcing 300 million people to take an injection against their will, I don't think there is a legal basis to do so either.

Vaccinations today are compelled via the desire to work or go to school.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
2. For me, it depends...
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:59 AM
May 2020

if someone offers a vaccine in the next 4 months, there is no way I would trust it.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
8. And? The question was pretty vague on that.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:04 AM
May 2020

Trusting big pharma is not something I want to risk the last few years I have on.

Next year sometime, I'll come around. I get flu shots every year. I'm no anti-vaxxer. But I don't expect capitalism to overcome science.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
6. Of course not. There is no reason to believe we would have a safe and effective vaccine
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:02 AM
May 2020

in that amount of time. Even January sounds almost fantastical. But given a safe and effective vaccine, I would be the first one in line if we can afford it. Don't know if I would trust the Trump Brand vaccine though.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
29. Wow, 'dying to own the libs" from the left
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:25 PM
May 2020

Big pharma and capitalism routinely develop and deliver effect life saving medicines. This is why people complain about their prices. Because their medicines work.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
34. You really went there?
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:54 PM
May 2020


What I don't trust is that the CDC, the regulating agency, has been polluted with Trump sycophants that won't properly vet the vaccine process. Something like this looks like it will be a big cash cow, so I'll be self-vigilant, thank you very much.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
35. I'm even more surprised that you pivoted to a libertarian justification
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:05 PM
May 2020

Blaming the government and promoting "self-vigilance".

But, hey, nevermind all the everyday scientists, doctors, and regulators out there determined to stall a global pandemic, somebody out there is making money.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
32. I would. I'd volunteer to be part of the testing.
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:42 PM
May 2020

I was a guinea pig for the Salk vaccine, back when Polio was a real horror. I'd do it again.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
44. I would gladly accept a vaccine in 4 months. No concern on safety.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:37 PM
May 2020

Some dead proteins are not going to be dangerous. The real risk is it's ineffective.

tavernier

(12,377 posts)
14. Joe will be President by then.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:16 AM
May 2020

I’ll trust his judgment. And the one thing Trump did was to give all future presidents total power, so we will be able to legally hold them down and stab them in the butt with a needle.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
43. After a house cleaning, the CDC wouldn't get as bad as it is without so many functionaries in it
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:35 PM
May 2020

... right now.

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
12. Even most anti-vaxers would get a covid vaccine.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:11 AM
May 2020

“We also asked respondents if they self-identified as anti-vaxxers, and nearly 16% said they did. For those that identified as anti-vaxxers, 44% said they would not vaccinate against COVID-19, compared to 19% of people who did not identify as anti-vaxxers.”

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
13. I am not allowed to get vaccines
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:11 AM
May 2020

Persons w/compromised immune systems are told NOT to get vaccines as the results can be deathly.

Being this is my case, I do not get vaccines.

The last time I got one (almost accidentally) I got quite sick from it and I've been told NO VACCINES for me.

This is the case for others in the population as well.

Luckily, it is not common!


DrToast

(6,414 posts)
37. What about mRNA vaccines?
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:11 PM
May 2020

That's supposed to be one of the benefits of those. They are safer than traditional vaccines.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
51. No I was not vaccinated with mRNA
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:29 PM
May 2020

I had these diseases, that is why.

Measles, mumps, Rubella and chicken pox.

Forgot abt. what mRNA was!

I won't bother to get into the story abt. my late brother as the MMR vaccine almost killed him. After that, my mother only had us vaccinated against polio, the sugar cube. That was the end of it.

So no is the answer, not the mRNA or the MMR.



AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
18. Except these idiots will take regular science believers
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:55 AM
May 2020

and others, many who can’t be vaccinated, with them.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
23. Absurd, yes. Comical not so much
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:26 PM
May 2020

when you consider the demographic of people who subscribe to some version of that tripe. The information diet of our fellow citizens is in a chokehold produced by generations of betrayals of trust...by the media underreporting on poverty, economic and ecological injustices, by the government both tacitly and openly endorsing redlining practices, educational inequalities, blind eyeing signals of distress at the barriers to opportunity for some folks while glad handing the ready made opportunity catapults for others... the list is long and grievous. So, in the absence of trust for sources of information that you, I and most of the people on this site may take for granted as being reasonably reliable, shyte like the Gates-Fauci plan to steal DNA or souls or implant chips flourish and evolve. In 2016 those information infectants were deployed to depress voter turnout in many quarters. This time around, they are more likely being targeted to vote in ways that help them conform to the crap they are being fed now. and no way no how ever consent to be vaccinated against covid19. Just my 2 cents, but it's what I've been seeing.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
25. Even some educated people and even some liberal people believe this stuff
Tue May 5, 2020, 03:59 PM
May 2020

Youtube is filled with people who are "awake" and "know the truth". I am sharing a house with someone who is retired and has all day long to watch nutters fill her head with crap. SO many conspiracy theories and she believes them all. I often times have to make and excuse to go do something when she starts telling me about them. No worries about her voting for Trump though. She hates him almost as much as I do (which is a lot).

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
33. good to know that your housemate is not a trump fan, but I'll bet she can be induced
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:50 PM
May 2020

to vote for some kook who descries actual science, based on a shared sense of grievance. And yeah, this 5G nonsense with or without the Fauci-is-the-devil narrative is everywhere, and at least in my experience with its adherents, unshakably embedded in a very short time. I find this chilling. It's instant us & them polarization.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
17. With this group in charge?
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

And medical experts willing to go along with them? Count me as a vaccine skeptic when it comes to this one.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
19. 45's bought vaccine? No. The rest of the world is working on it
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:56 AM
May 2020

They will come forth with a real vaccine. What say you then?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
20. We'll see where it comes from and who's touting it
Tue May 5, 2020, 12:00 PM
May 2020

Anyone who's sold their credibility to prop up the Trump administration gets an ignore from me.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
26. Anti vaxxers can go lick subway poles.
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:03 PM
May 2020

This is important and it transcends any and all bullshit you read on your social media feeds. This virus is proof of why we need vaccines.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
27. There is a dental asst at my dentists office who doesn't take vaccines for religious reasons.
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:17 PM
May 2020

Her children don't get vaccines either. She's a very nice lady and does her job well.

I'm sorry, but I don't think she should be working in healthcare if she won't take the coronavirus vaccine when it becomes available. And she should be home schooling her 7 children...

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
38. Count me in among the stupid. I'm not going to accept the "warp speed" vaccine that trump &
Tue May 5, 2020, 05:18 PM
May 2020

kushner are cooking up.

I mean, ffs, we just got an inkling of what's going on behind the scenes from the whistleblower. Science is NOT being prioritized in trump's corrupt admin--it's all about money and connections. It appears HHS went along with the corruption and ordered hydroxychloroquine from untested facilities in India and Pakistan. So... yeah... no.

Of course, my feelings will be different if and when regular order resumes under a new president, by which time researchers will have had adequate time to study and understand how this novel virus works.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
40. There are reasonable people in the world using science to create a vaccine
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:30 PM
May 2020

We do not have to accept what 45 peddles.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
54. Yep. I don't trust anything coming from Trump, either.
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:45 PM
May 2020

But, I do trust the scientists, who are working all around the world to provide a vaccine. Once they come up with one that is safe and effective, you're damn right I'm getting it. I will remain highly skeptical of anything Trump pushes on his own.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
46. If it's expedited and didn't go through the proper vetting process, I'd be at the back of the line
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:48 PM
May 2020

I certainly believe in vaccines (as if that’s something you can believe or not believe in ). I’d just be reluctant for a bit and rather continue to isolate than mess myself up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. I hope what comes between doesn't make it an understatement.
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:15 PM
May 2020

Although, strong as self preservation is, no counting on even most them to react rationally, not while they're still dutifully marching to the orders of Republican leaders.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
53. I always said that if I could do things over again,
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:38 PM
May 2020

I'd have gone into bio-med research, and created a virus that is fatal to stupidity. It seems that Mother Nature is doing just that, all on her own.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
55. Not a bit surprised.
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:47 PM
May 2020

I wonder how many of these hammerheads I'm going to have to kick out of my clinic for being too stupid to live.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
57. I won't refuse it. But I won't be at the head of the line either
Mon May 11, 2020, 01:13 PM
May 2020

Ever seen rushed software at version 1.0?

And then there is the reality of trusting Trump that it is safe.



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