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Trump steals Loudon County Va. PPE shipment: (Original Post) Kingofalldems May 2020 OP
... Lucinda May 2020 #1
Bastards happybird May 2020 #2
My county also. countingbluecars May 2020 #10
Mine too. Fuck Trump. He needs to go to jail. lagomorph777 May 2020 #13
It was the county of my Methodist/Quaker ancestors... Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #18
Yes - caseload has been increasing - our frontline workers need that PPE Neurotica May 2020 #42
They went to Jared's Botany May 2020 #3
They will be "out money" if they have to pay more or are short and that causes problems. n/t brewens May 2020 #12
Remember when Hurricane Sandy hit and President Obama had FEMA steal supplies so he could then ... Botany May 2020 #14
We also bumped up meat exports to China. Signed Jan 15, effective Feb 14. Wait until brewens May 2020 #20
No. What we should be doing is nationalizing the meat pack/prep abattoirs. AtheistCrusader May 2020 #38
I know cutting off China wouldn't be the answer. That's probably still a fairly small percentage, brewens May 2020 #39
Yeah, it probably would. AtheistCrusader May 2020 #40
I bet that career Attornies in the Justice Department are going to Blue_true May 2020 #44
There are reports about this happening in many states and even from other countries Hav May 2020 #4
#TraitorTrump. Imbleach him Roland99 May 2020 #5
Yeah, but drip-feed the bleach. I want the motherfucker to suffer for all the deaths. Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #17
He needs something stronger than a bleach drip. Maybe a good dose of Lysol Blue_true May 2020 #45
They need to take it back. roamer65 May 2020 #6
And of course, this plays about as well in red states stopdiggin May 2020 #7
Loudon county is in northern Virginia. Used to be red (soil and politics) but has turned blue erronis May 2020 #24
I think red states are benefitting. Lonestarblue May 2020 #28
Arkansas bootlegged some in and is guarded at a Little Rock Hospital. LiberalArkie May 2020 #34
I think it's time someone offered their services to do secure transport of PPE. Girard442 May 2020 #8
Bitcoin lagomorph777 May 2020 #15
Maybe the UN needs to step in and do the transport. tinrobot May 2020 #32
+1 crickets May 2020 #48
Trump is going to pay for that - at the polls. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #9
Mobsters in the White House now. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #11
Loudon County is one of the Wellstone ruled May 2020 #16
...only if they are constantly reminded of this. NM Grins May 2020 #35
The day is coming. Wellstone ruled May 2020 #43
How the hell are they getting away with this? 3catwoman3 May 2020 #19
Because they have the will, the weapons, and the law (obviously broken) Celerity May 2020 #26
God knows we don't have a functioning DOJ, but BadgerMom May 2020 #30
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker May 2020 #21
Is this even legal? bonniebgood May 2020 #22
Since when has that mattered? We are long past "what is legal." The trumps do whatever they want. SoonerPride May 2020 #25
Imagine four more years of headlines like this. n/t TheFourthMind May 2020 #23
The headlines will be worse. They are seeing what they can get away with now. Blue_true May 2020 #46
Agreed. n/t TheFourthMind May 2020 #47
If OK, I'll cross-post this article to the *VA GROUP. Thanks. appalachiablue May 2020 #27
Corruption that is killing people. gademocrat7 May 2020 #29
At what point do the states rights and small gov people turn against him? IronLionZion May 2020 #31
How will this not backfire TERRIBLY in even red states? Not enough to change color, but still renate May 2020 #33
Loudon county is transitional, only just recently turning purple. JudyM May 2020 #49
"How about they get a daggone federal response that actually works"? JHB May 2020 #36
WTF is going on with these hijacked shipments of PPE and why is it not on the front pages. c-rational May 2020 #37
+1000. nt ecstatic May 2020 #41
!!!!!! elias7 May 2020 #52
Where the hell are they taking the supplies to?! sakabatou May 2020 #50
We have people EndlessWire May 2020 #51

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
18. It was the county of my Methodist/Quaker ancestors...
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:51 PM
May 2020

... from long ago.

"Loudoun" got my attention right away for that reason.

Neurotica

(609 posts)
42. Yes - caseload has been increasing - our frontline workers need that PPE
Wed May 6, 2020, 06:09 PM
May 2020

I've been anxiously waiting for the numbers out of VDH - but they had some sort of technical error compiling the data last night. No update yet today for VA.

So maddening to have our resources taken away -- especially when it's been so incredibly difficult to get them in the first place.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
3. They went to Jared's
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:08 PM
May 2020

<County Administrator Tim Hemstreet said Loudoun has been bundling its orders with other localities to buy directly from manufacturers. But, he said, that can also attract attention, and he confirmed at a Board of Supervisors meeting Tuesday that an order headed for Loudoun had been intercepted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Upon arrival, the federal agency outbid the localities for the personal protective equipment and took it, he said.


“FEMA took those supplies and then distributed them into their regular pipeline, and then we were told to go and meet our PPE needs through our state process,” Hemstreet said.

But Hemstreet said the county is not out any money—as a general rule, for those orders, Loudoun County government pays on delivery.>

*****

Why is Trump still in power? This is a nightmare.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
14. Remember when Hurricane Sandy hit and President Obama had FEMA steal supplies so he could then ...
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:47 PM
May 2020

... sell 'em to a higher bidder? Neither do I. Why is that mother fucker still in power.

Remember when Trump, Kushner, and Pompeo sent 18 tons of P.P.E. to China in Feb. 0f 2019
because Trump owes China $220,000,000? Oh that one is true.

brewens

(13,574 posts)
20. We also bumped up meat exports to China. Signed Jan 15, effective Feb 14. Wait until
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:08 PM
May 2020

that gets around. I ducked into a small mom and pop grocery store today for some milk on my morning walk. I would have grabbed some sausage but there was none to be had. That's just a big enough store to have a meat and produce dept. The selection was pretty sparse.

Can we cut exports to China off when they supply so much medical equipment? Those guys eat Trumps lunch daily! We'll come out on the short end of the stick on that one for sure.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
38. No. What we should be doing is nationalizing the meat pack/prep abattoirs.
Wed May 6, 2020, 05:55 PM
May 2020

This is now a national security issue. Training the national guard to take over might be a solution too.

China by itself isn't the issue on this one.

brewens

(13,574 posts)
39. I know cutting off China wouldn't be the answer. That's probably still a fairly small percentage,
Wed May 6, 2020, 05:58 PM
May 2020

even if they did increase what we sell them. I just think our sending anything at all over there might cause a big stink. I meant to post the link in the first place but forgot.

https://www.usmef.org/international-markets/china/?fbclid=IwAR1lJkP03mkCerJYaDyVnZRuWBgbiE77REUy0c5PFU1f9w_WZlxLwRKkljY

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
40. Yeah, it probably would.
Wed May 6, 2020, 06:00 PM
May 2020

There's some that's being sent there to be processed and sent back as well, which cuts Americans out of the labor loop.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
44. I bet that career Attornies in the Justice Department are going to
Wed May 6, 2020, 07:24 PM
May 2020

relish investigating the criminal actions of this misadministration once Barr is no longer around to muzzle them.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
4. There are reports about this happening in many states and even from other countries
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:17 PM
May 2020

Some states already use the national guard to protect their supplies or try to hide what's getting delivered.
I don't want to be too cynical but there has to be a demand so high that federal agencies just follow the purchases of other parties, including state governments and first responders, and confiscate whatever they find. That's third world level.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
7. And of course, this plays about as well in red states
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:21 PM
May 2020

as it does in blue ones.
(at least that would be my guess).
Winning hearts and minds at an astonishing pace ...

erronis

(15,241 posts)
24. Loudon county is in northern Virginia. Used to be red (soil and politics) but has turned blue
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:32 PM
May 2020

because of the smart people working around the DC metro area. (Reds aren't smart...)

FEMA/trump will target selected areas for "punishment" based on his tarot cards read during "executive time".

Just to muddy the waters, the Dump National Golf Course is in Loudon County. But it really is a dump - I've been there several times (not a golfer.)

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
28. I think red states are benefitting.
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:38 PM
May 2020

I’ve seen some interviews and articles (Mike DeWine, DeSantis, five Republican governors in WaPo), and none of them mentioned shortages of medical equipment. All mentioned ramped-up testing that indicated they had testing supplies for everyone. I believe Trump is seizing shipments intended for Democratic states and sending them to red states. I also believe he has told manufacturers to fill orders from Republican governors at 100%, even when that means orders from Democratic governors can only be filled at 10-12%.

The question no one seems to ask or get answered is why FEMA is even buying medical supplies when every state has been told to secure its own supplies. What is FEMA doing with all these confiscated supplies? N the Virginia case, they seem to have outbid the county, but in other cases they have just stolen the shipments. Why?

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
8. I think it's time someone offered their services to do secure transport of PPE.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:31 PM
May 2020

Unmarked trucks. Random routes. Secure encrypted communications. Sealed containers that destroy their contents if forced open. Armed guards. Whatever it takes.

On edit: Imagine a shipping container full of PPE with a digital lock. Inside is a capsule of butyl mercaptan that is released if the container is forced open. The driver (and escorts) don't have the combination.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
9. Trump is going to pay for that - at the polls.
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:34 PM
May 2020

It's just like that game played out at the Chamber of Commerce. Leadership hampers the medical community from protecting the public. That's how they get control of the entire board.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. Loudon County is one of the
Wed May 6, 2020, 03:50 PM
May 2020

wealthiest Counties in the Nation,this will come back to haunt the GOP from this day forward.

Celerity

(43,314 posts)
26. Because they have the will, the weapons, and the law (obviously broken)
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:34 PM
May 2020

on their side and healthcare workers and logistical supply chains in the United States are not armed battalions with the ability to resist via kinetic force.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
30. God knows we don't have a functioning DOJ, but
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:47 PM
May 2020

could state attorneys general act here? This can’t be legal.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
25. Since when has that mattered? We are long past "what is legal." The trumps do whatever they want.
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:32 PM
May 2020

I mean, really.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
46. The headlines will be worse. They are seeing what they can get away with now.
Wed May 6, 2020, 07:32 PM
May 2020

The future will be far more aggressive.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
31. At what point do the states rights and small gov people turn against him?
Wed May 6, 2020, 04:49 PM
May 2020

especially in a swing area of a big swing state that has been getting bluer in recent elections.

renate

(13,776 posts)
33. How will this not backfire TERRIBLY in even red states? Not enough to change color, but still
Wed May 6, 2020, 05:02 PM
May 2020

I know everything's fine and dandy when Trump does it, but surely there must be some Mah Guns people who will at least feel a twinge of the kind of fury they'd feel if Obama STOLE LIFESAVING EQUIPMENT after failing to order it himself.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
49. Loudon county is transitional, only just recently turning purple.
Thu May 7, 2020, 12:47 AM
May 2020

It’s the outer commuting suburbs of DC in northern VA. If folks get pissed this will spread and help ensure VA migrates farther into the Blue.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
36. "How about they get a daggone federal response that actually works"?
Wed May 6, 2020, 05:43 PM
May 2020
County Chairwoman Phyllis J. Randall (D-At Large) was among the supervisors who expressed frustration.

“The federal government and President Trump continues to tell states and localities they are responsible for getting their own PPE, and they undermine that by outbidding and taking PPE,” Randall said. “… How about they get a daggone federal response that actually works instead of this piecemeal approach that they have that actually is not helping anyone, and outbidding localities? That is infuriating.”


Three Cheers for County Chairwoman Phyllis J. Randall:

c-rational

(2,590 posts)
37. WTF is going on with these hijacked shipments of PPE and why is it not on the front pages.
Wed May 6, 2020, 05:51 PM
May 2020

Under whose authority is this being done, and why don't they have to explain themselves. Am I asking too much. (Apparently yes).

EndlessWire

(6,513 posts)
51. We have people
Thu May 7, 2020, 04:32 AM
May 2020

who could be asking the question of where are they taking the PPEs and who is benefiting from them.

Congress people, reporters...make him answer, and not just say, "I don't know."

To me this is criminal behavior. It is not acceptable, and I don't care what "EO" Trump signed.

This is like being at war. Who wouldn't be tempted to have a PPE underground railroad. How dare they!

And is galling that the Orange Turd told the states to get their own. Fuck FEMA, fuck Trump.

Where is your pride, FEMA?!

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