Cuomo : Most new hospitalizations are people staying at home..

[helpisontheway]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.Message
I’m honestly not sure what to make of this..So I’m doing the wrong thing by staying home?

[greenjar_01]

1. No additional comment?

[uponit7771]

2. I heard this, hit me like a brick ... just damn.

[jberryhill]

9. Most people are staying home

This is like when you hear something like the people affected by "X" are 55% white, 30% African American, and the rest "other".

A statistic like that, while it can be true, is superficially misleading. Because you have to consider numbers like that against the proportions of the categories. If "30%" of anything is African American, then it is having a hugely disproportionate impact on African Americans, who are only in the mid-teens as a percentage of population in the first place.

So if people affected by "X" are 55% white and 30% African American, the impact on whites is lower than on African Americans. If it were equal, you'd expect something around 60% or so and something 14% or so.

It's not clear what "staying home" really means as a category. I've been home since March 8, but have gone for groceries twice.

I'm not convinced that "staying home" is useful as a category.

[uponit7771]

21. If half that number is true its still a gut punch

[jberryhill]

37. Just keep doing what you're doing

What you’re doing is working.

You’re going to get through this.

[CatWoman]

3. whoa!!!

me too

[NJCher]

4. I would like to see to see more data

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for example, did the people staying at home live with others?

Did they clean all incoming grocery items?

Do they live near medical complexes and have homes nearby where there are leafblowers used?

We need more info.

Now, here is one thing that it probably is not: getting infection from being on an elevator. Our local NPR had an elevator engineer on this a.m. and he told about how elevator air is refreshed, both naturally from downdrafts and through how they are engineered. It is not a likely source of infection.

I hope they do more studies based on this one. I have a feeling we're not getting the full story here, and I'm not implying that Cuomo knows it and isn't telling us. There's some factor that is being overlooked.

Edited to add:

Here is a 3.36" clip where he explains. Spends altogether too much time on the age thing, but whatever. So here are a few other factors I gleaned from watching the clip:

--study was over 3 days and 100 hospitals participated
--Cuomo mentions that visitors to the home were not factored in

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/05/06/new-york-gov-andrew-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-cases-were-people-who-stayed-at-home.html

[FarPoint]

19. Excellent point...

If they are in contact with someone who happened to get exposed....and met with that new victim earlier without a mask for example... didn't wash hands, hugged etc break in technique...there ya go.

[milestogo]

5. The only sense I can make of it is that some people are vastly more susceptible than others.

We have some idea who is more susceptible, but clearly there is an awful lot we don't know.

We don't know why some people have been infected and have no symptoms and never become sick.

We don't know why some people with very little exposure end up becoming infected and dying.

Edited to add: It may depend on how many people are infected in the surrounding area.

[Caliman73]

6. No. You aren't

Unless you avoid all contact with any human being, your chances of infection are NOT zero. My family and I have been staying at home, working from home, etc... However, I still go out occasionally to get food and supplies. We have had packages delivered as well. The infection can be at the store or come on a package delivered.

I would imagine with the idiot Trump telling everyone that we should reopen, people have been more lax in their precautions. We all want to hope that it is over and emotion overrides logic. I see it a bit where I am. More cars on the rode, more people out an about, and our local and state leaders have been more cautious.

[jberryhill]

13. +1

I mean, where the heck else is there go or be anyway?

[Caliman73]

24. Panic Room?

I don't know. I suppose if we were David Geffen, we could get in our yacht and shelter in place in the Caribbean.

[unblock]

7. "home" doesn't mean only those who have been super-vigilent

"home" appears to include people who went to protests and beaches and parties and who weren't careful at the grocery store and so on.

[Loki Liesmith]

8. It means social distancing is working in NY

The largest pool of people in NY are those staying home.

[jberryhill]

10. Ding, ding, ding

What is the proportion of New Yorkers in the "staying home" category in the first place?

It's unfortunate that this statistic does not have adequate context to evaluate what it means.

[Sanity Claws]

11. This was limited to NEW hospitalizations

We are a few months into the pandemic. Could this mean that the virus is already very wide spread and the only one susceptible ones left are those who have been at home? By susceptible, I mean people vulnerable to COVID-19. Many people are asymptomatic or have mild to moderate symptoms, not requiring hospitalizations.

[PoliticAverse]

12. Based on the article I'd guess that the people staying home are being infected...

by asymptomatic infected people visiting them at home.

[cwydro]

23. There's a home not far from me where a grandmother lives.

She takes care of three boys...this house has umpteen visitors daily - people of all ages, and a party on Easter Sunday as well.

[MacKasey]

14. He said "Mostly staying home"

That means bare minimum they are going out food shopping, if they are not wearing mask and gloves, they are playing Russian roulette.

If other people/family are coming into their house, thinking they are not sick but they are, bam they will get sick

I heard one woman say I can't breathe wearing a mask but if she felt sick she would wear one.

So she does not understand the concept that you can be a carrier and not feel sick

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public

[LisaL]

31. And if she can't breathe through one when she is healthy, how is she going breathe through one

if she gets sick? So many people are clueless on how to wear masks anyway. Like has been already pointed out, many people are wearing masks over their mouth but not their nose.

[Jarqui]

15. To me, it is because of the poor education on how the virus spreads

For a long time, they said you do not need masks (trying to protect the supply for medical staff).

But for example, you wear your mask to the store. They have found the virus is thriving in people's eyes. How many people have been told to cover their eyes? The medical staffs have face shields ..
So you come home from shopping and disinfect your groceries. Maybe you even wore gloves. And you were diligent about keeping 6 feet from everyone ... even though they're finding the virus traveling more than twice that distance in the air.
Then you feed the cat and put your feet up to watch TV.
Did you remember to take off your shoes? Because your feet were walking through all the moist exhale on the grocery store floor due to gravity that your cat is about to lie in before you pet her.
Some doctors are suggesting you change your clothes after shopping.

This is a very contagious virus that is easily transmitted.
They could cut down on infections if they would train the public better but Trump is too busy focused on blame, guzzling disinfectants and hurting blue states.

[helpisontheway]

26. I heard about the virus being in eyes I'm embarrassed

to admit this but I ordered one of the faceshields last night to protect my eyes. I’m not sure if I will have the nerve to wear it if/when I go out(hubby shops for everything). I was mainly thinking about it for when I have to go to the doctor for something. If not, I was thinking of wearing some sort of safety glasses or goggles. No one else seems concerned about eyes.

[Jarqui]

29. Please do not be too embarrassed

We do not fully understand what we are dealing with
Erring on the side of caution - to obtain a face shield - is rational - particularly if you are in a higher risk category as I am.
I've been wearing glasses I do not have to but I too recently got a face shield.

In case we run short on masks - we only have a very few - I also got a respirator for backup. A friend gave me the face shield when I delivered as respirator to him - he's really high risk. With a face shield and that respirator, I'll look like friggin' Darth Vader. I have felt your embarrassment and have not had the nerve. I'd only wear the respirator as a last resort - maybe if I have to go to the hospital.

So you are not alone in your feelings. We didn't cause this virus. We're human and just trying to deal with it as best as we're able. And we do not want to upset others with our appearance.

I was one of the first in our area wearing a mask. I walked into a drug store - everyone kind of freaked out and backed off. The cashier could barely function she was so rattled. If I have to wear the respirator, I know that's a great place to test drive it.

[LisaL]

32. The virus is definitely in the eyes.

So it's a good idea to wear to goggles or at least some glasses. And don't be shy about a face shield.

[WePurrsevere]

16. If people who are 'truly' staying home are getting sick...

then chances are pretty good that it's coming to them whether on items delivered/brought to them from outside or from someone bringing things to them or visiting when they shouldn't be.

It could also be that they say they've been staying at home but if they go outside for fresh air or go to get groceries or anything else there's a risk. How high that risk is depends on precautions taken of course.

One other SWAG that popped into my head is that maybe they had it before they hunkered down but were asymptomatic. Some time later the beast awakens for round 2 but much worse this time.

Hopefully science figures out what's going on quickly.

The huge problem with this beast is we simply don't know much about it AND apparently it's also been mutating and not in a good way.

[Squinch]

17. I am largely staying home, but when I venture out, I do notice that many

who are probably also staying home are doing really stupid things...

Masks over mouth but not nose...

Touching everything in the grocery store and then rubbing said nose...

Wearing gloves and thinking that makes them immune... And rubbing their noses...

Not social distancing in parks - hogging a 6 foot wide path by walking side by side and not moving to single file when they pass someone. ..

Careless handling of money...

You really have to be OCD about this. When the virus load in an area becomes high, the virus can be anywhere.

[Blue_true]

18. Everything that you pointed out is what I see people doing.

Between people trying but doing things wrong, and the no mask wearers, SAR-COV-2 is having a field day.

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. One woman I read about went out one time to the

pharmacy. They called and told her she got it from the keypad.

That kind of rattled me. I am almost wearing gloves whenever I do anything outside. I even put hand sanitizer on my gloves. I just went thru the bank drive thru and wore gloves to handle the deposit slips and pen.

[jberryhill]

22. I even put hand sanitizer on my gloves

That is indeed what you should be doing.

At best, gloves simply remind you to be mindful of where your hands are. But you should certainly sanitize them - particularly if you are not trained in how to remove them without passing the infection to your hands. And you should wash your hands after you remove them, to be sure.

[cwydro]

27. Who called her and told her she got what from the keypad?

You mean a woman had Covid, and a pharmacy called her to tell her she got it from the keypad?

What?

[LisaL]

33. And how would anyone know what she got it from?

[uncle ray]

34. don't underestimate the power of contact tracing.

sure, it could be a bogus story, but contact tracing is being done. it's quite likely that someone may have identified a pharmacy as a last stop before visiting the ED. anyone who used the keypad in the period after that person visited could be identified through the pharmacy's transaction history. so it's completely plausible.

[vsrazdem]

25. A lot of people are ordering food in, not sure if they are wiping down all containers when they come

in or any packages they get delivered. I do this, but I occasionally I find myself getting a little lax on the inside packages when I take them out of the boxes. I don't think this is that surprising. This little bugger virus is finding any way it can to live on.

[spinbaby]

28. Our social distancing is like a block party

Nothing like Italy or China. I know people who think they’re social distancing, but keep visiting with family, brag that they’ve found a place to get a haircut, get takeout every day, “need” to go to Walmart several times a week, and on and on. One woman I know has kids with different fathers and each kid goes to visit daddy and daddy’s family every week. No clue and we’re in one of those states that’s supposedly shut down.

[eleny]

30. This is going to get so spun by the right wing

[Ms. Toad]

35. That article is extremely misleading -

The chart from which most of the numbers in the article are taken is not a chart of what people were doing - it's a chart of where people were living immediately prior to being hospitalized. Even people who are blatantly ignoring the stay-at-home orders generally live at home and would be included in the 66% being described in the article as as "not venturing much outside."

There is a paragraph of different numbers later - but no indication of where they came from, so no way to know what they mean.

[BGBD]

36. It's nothing complicated

Viruses aren't magic. You have to be exposed to have a chance to get it. If somebody is "staying at home" and still gets it, then it means either they left the house and were exposed or someone came into the house and exposed them that way.

There could be some small percentage who were exposed by someone adjacent to them in their apartment building or something, but it's a small number.