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Wed May 6, 2020, 06:15 PM

Study: Coronavirus outbreak could last up to two more years

https://wreg.com/news/study-coronavirus-outbreak-could-last-up-to-two-more-years/

OLIVE BRANCH, Miss. — Could the coronavirus be the new normal for the next two years?

A new study from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy suggests the COVID-19 outbreak will be around until 60 to 70% of the human population is immune to the virus, taking anywhere between 18 to 24 months.

Nearly two months into a global pandemic, Jonie McCollum of Olive Branch is getting used to a coronavirus-conscious lifestyle.

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Reply Study: Coronavirus outbreak could last up to two more years (Original post)
SheltieLover May 2020 OP
SoonerPride May 2020 #1
SheltieLover May 2020 #4
democrattotheend May 2020 #8
SoonerPride May 2020 #9
Igel May 2020 #10
EllieBC May 2020 #11
democrattotheend May 2020 #12
SoonerPride May 2020 #13
democrattotheend May 2020 #15
MineralMan May 2020 #14
democrattotheend May 2020 #16
MineralMan May 2020 #17
Wellstone ruled May 2020 #2
SheltieLover May 2020 #5
Wellstone ruled May 2020 #7
BigmanPigman May 2020 #3
SheltieLover May 2020 #6

Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2020, 06:19 PM

1. This is what the press needs to spend more time covering

There is no quick fix or fast out

We should prepare ourselves mentally, emotionally, and economically to weather this for two years at a minimum.

If a vaccine hits a one in million lucky break and cuts that time down then we can all celebrate.

But instead they peddle false hopes and miracle cures around the corner.

They need to spend more time being honest with the public.

We’re adults. We can handle it.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #1)

Wed May 6, 2020, 06:42 PM

4. I concur!

Truth is a very good thing, even when the news is not pleasant. 👍

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #1)

Wed May 6, 2020, 07:43 PM

8. We can't stay locked down like this for 2 years

It's just not sustainable. The food supply is already showing signs of strain, people are putting off other critical healthcare needs, and the amount of government borrowing/money printing it would take to survive being shut down for two years would turn us into Weimar. We're already showing signs of cracking as a society. Two years of lockdown could mean the end of our country as we know it.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)

Wed May 6, 2020, 08:35 PM

9. I didn't say that either.

But the press needs to be honest with us and tell us this is going to be this way for a minimum of 18 months and most likely closer to three years.

And society can plan accordingly.

And btw we were never “locked down”

Ever

Not like Italy.
Not like Spain
Not like France.

They couldn’t leave their homes without printing off a permission slip saying why they were outside.

We were never locked down.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #9)

Wed May 6, 2020, 09:11 PM

10. By comparison with "not locked down," we were locked down.

Italy, France, Spain ... They weren't locked down like Wuhan was.

One person per dwelling was allowed out, for a limited number of reasons, once every two day. With temperature taken upon exiting and entering.


The press largely was. It wasn't pleasant. The press tells most people want they want to hear.

Flatten the curve? That was the deal. That's what was explained. Lots of sick people, but not overwhelming hospitals.

Now, the goal is to reduce the number of cases to zero. Was the goal changed? Bad question. Not answered. Mission creep, shifting the goal posts, call it what you want. I call it "bait and switch" and "manipulation." It plays off of fear, and fear is a horrible, horrible thing.

Fear turns into hate real quick. Just look here. Protesters--no, there's no right to protest. Quick, lock them up. Because their protest threatens me and my lifestyle.

Not much into Herbert, but liked Dune: Fear is the mind killer. (I'd say "a mind killer".)

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #9)

Wed May 6, 2020, 09:21 PM

11. There was a 30% increase in DV calls in NY in April, according

to the governor. That's sure to go up. Child abuse, bankruptcy, poverty, will all go up if we stay this way 1-2 years. Many surgeries that aren't emergent but certainly necessary have been put off. Those people get worse and die, that's ok too?

And if there is never a vaccine you think we stay this way forever?

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #9)

Thu May 7, 2020, 02:02 PM

12. It can't "be this way" for 18 months to 3 years

That's my point. The current state of affairs was always designed to be and can only be short term. At a certain point we're going to have to start balancing the risk of death from the coronavirus against other risks, including health risks.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #12)

Thu May 7, 2020, 02:05 PM

13. But it will be this way, the virus doesn't give a fuck

And some may go out to see a movie but most won't and the economy won't recover until the virus has been extinguished.

So whether the government asks people to stay at home or not, most people will stay home and economic activity will shrivel to the bare necessities.

So it will be just like it has been for the next 2 years or more.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #13)

Thu May 7, 2020, 06:05 PM

15. Doubtful

Most people are not going to stay home and limit themselves to the "bare necessities" for two years or longer. It's just not going to happen. The point of the shutdown was to give the hospitals time to catch up, not to prevent any person from ever getting the coronavirus. People who are older or more vulnerable should stay home for as long as they need, but most people are not waiting two years or more to see friends and family, go to the movies, get other medical care that they need, or get their hair cut. It just ain't happening. And there is no need to do so, except for the most vulnerable - once enough people get the virus, the chances of getting it from each person you come into contact with go down significantly. Vaccine or not, this will eventually be more like the flu in that not everyone gets it at once because some people have already had it. The reason it's so much more dangerous than the flu right now is because nobody has had it before, so we're all very vulnerable.

We may need some rolling slowdowns for a while until we either get a vaccine or get closer to herd immunity, but the idea that things will stay this shut down for two years is ridiculous.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #8)

Thu May 7, 2020, 02:14 PM

14. Are we locked down, or are we simply recalibrating?

I'm not locked down. I have adjusted my habits, though. I go to the supermarket just once a week, instead of every other day. My wife and I work at home, so we don't have a commute. I wear a mask when I go into a public place, and I'm making more meals at home than I used to.

But I'm not locked down.

I'm worried about catching this virus, though, so I'm taking the steps I think make sense to avoid that.

We're figuring out how to deal with this pandemic. We haven't been at that for all that long, really. In the meantime, things are disrupted to some degree, certainly. We're all waiting for effective treatments and a vaccine, but nothing we do as individuals is going to speed up that process.

So, we are making adjustments, while we figure out exactly what we need to do to keep this from overwhelming us.

What's the hurry? Why not take the time it takes to find the best possible practices until we can do something to get rid of this virus. We sure as heck aren't able to do that yet.

So, we can either work on that, or we can just say, Screw that and take our chances. I'm not really fond of that second choice. Too many people will die if we do that.

You will do what you do. I will do what I do. Just stay away from me if you're going to try to ignore the threat.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Thu May 7, 2020, 06:11 PM

16. I'm not ignoring the threat

But I am weighing the level of precaution I need to take against the risk given my age group, prior health history, and who I come into contact with regularly. I don't mind working from home for now, but I am not waiting two years to see my family and friends again or get my hair cut or go to the dentist. Even if I wanted to live this way for two years, I'm pretty sure that at some point judges will start holding in person court appearances again and I won't have much choice (although I really hope that is a ways off, because I probably won't be comfortable riding the NYC subway for a while).

Even if I were willing to put my life on hold completely for two years or more, I wouldn't be able to stay safe because there's no way my libertarian husband would do the same. He's already starting to go more places and it bothers me because he's putting me at risk, but there's not much I can do about it.

I'm following all of the guidelines and am waiting to venture back out until I'm confident that we have sufficient hospital capacity so that in the unlikely event I get a case of the coronavirus that's so bad I need hospitalization I can be confident that I'll get the care I need and that someone else older than me won't not get care as a result. Luckily I live in a state with a governor who is following the science, so when he says it's safe to reopen I trust that it's actually safe enough.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #16)

Thu May 7, 2020, 06:26 PM

17. As long as you stay away from me, do whatever you wish.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2020, 06:19 PM

2. Yes it could,

 

we will know better by this time after the 15TH,tow weeks after the Rethugs opened their States. Appears we are following the 1912-1920 pattern.

Just made a run to the Garden Store for Fertilizer. People just do not get it,maybe 40% face covering. Hot and sweaty no face coverings, Darwin wins another one.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #2)

Wed May 6, 2020, 06:44 PM

5. People not wearing masks here in TN either 🤬

Yes, foolishly, following previous pandemic route. 🙄😳🤯

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #5)

Wed May 6, 2020, 07:20 PM

7. Ignorance with this Pandemic is not Bliss.

 

But,today as I did the Garden Center Run,so damn many Ignorant people being Blissful.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2020, 06:28 PM

3. We need to be realistic

to be prepared mentally, emotionally and physically. Long and short term planning needs to be presented to the country but the Feds will not do this thanks to Dear Leader. This is the complete failure of our Fed Govt and the worst leader in our history, he even beats Buchanan.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2020, 06:45 PM

6. Couldn't agree more!

Dump is...fillin the blank with any negative, demeaning adjective you feel to insert.

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