What do we know about this Judge that is going to rule on Flynn's case this Monday?

[kentuck]

Do Barr and Trump already have an idea about how he will vote? Otherwise, why bring it up at this time?

I hope this Judge holds firm for the law and that it is appealed to the Supreme Court. It would be a landmark decision.

How much powers would they permit the Executive Branch to hold, as they are presumed to be an equal Branch, also?

Or would they just refuse to take it?

All the information, Mueller Report and all, need to be made public. The people need to know the facts of the matter.

The Court may decide that this Justice Department, with Bill Barr, has gone too far in putting the Three Branches out of balance, and that justice should run its course?

Or they may rule that the Attorney General has the final say on legal proceedings in process. He can stop them at any time and state that the defendant did not mean to plead "guilty".

Of course, we have to see what the Judge on Monday says about it.

[hlthe2b]

1. He's very independent; he was previously not able to hide his disgust for Flynn's crimes and he has

previously gone against Trump admin on immigration issues. This is anything but a done deal.

[empedocles]

4. In a flynn sentencing hearing, the word TREASON came up. [Not argued]

Judge could well put off the case again.

TREASON is imho, an 'epidemic' word for trump - and Senate republicons, and republicons everywhere.

[kentuck]

5. What do you mean by "epidemic" word?

[empedocles]

17. Imho, 'treason', is unpredictably/epidemically powerful. In most of 1941 voters were

still isolationist. FDR ran as an isolationist in 1940.

Pearl Harbor had a big impact, but the Congress did not move against the American Bund, with large German American populations from Pennsylvania to Texas. Voters didn't sufficiently get the threat.

When hitler declared war against the US a few days later, the public started to get it, closer to home, and a significant, inner threat to the US Government. Soon after, the Bund was declared illegal. [Prescott Bush and Joe Kennedy had to sharply change their 'tunes'].

[I think I understand the DU frustration with the republicon blocs not getting the threat of trump, or Covid 19. However, in historical context, the slow movements on those kind of very serious issues, - is very easy to anticipate].

[MyOwnPeace]

2. And which judge is it..........

that has ordered to see the "complete" Mueller report without Billy Barr's "editing?"

[Solomon]

9. That was Judge Reggie Walton. I know both judges personally and they are old school.

Very independent. I practiced before both of them. They do the right thing.

On the other hand, they are also human. The pressure on them right now is enormous. They will definitely suffer for doing the right thing.

I'm surprised they haven't been reassigned to get them off of these cases. If that does happen, remember that I said that might happen.

[MyOwnPeace]

19. Thank you!

I take comfort in trusting the "wisdom of Solomon!"

[tblue37]

3. Judge Sullivan told Flynn that he had betrayed his country, so unless they threaten him

somehow, I don't see him cooperating. Trump will still probably pardon Flynn, but it will look bad, which is the political price Barr was trying to protect him from.

[empedocles]

6. trump seems to have been wary on the pardon power

[kacekwl]

7. IF I were the judge I would

Record every phone call, video every meeting, save every e-mail. Not just his but any staff member, employees, spouse if any. Before and after the decision. Barr will stop at nothing to please his Orange popsicle. I hope some forward thinking patriot has Barr being followed and his "wires tapped" .

[Ninga]

8. Meaningless to speculate! Barbara McCuaig said. on Rachel last night the judge "most likely

will hold a hearing to hear from the DOJ”

Big fucking deal. Listen and then what, say oh well, next case?

Nothing will happen because.......

[Solomon]

10. I disagree with your sentiment. If the judge wants to stick with

the conviction, he will have to hold a hearing to cover himself.

[Ninga]

11. You know this how? It is the DOJ's case, it does not belong to the judge. If they want to withdraw

how will the judge over ride? If they drop charges then what?

I will watch with no hope because

[kentuck]

12. How does it not belong to the Judge?

If it is in the Judge's court?

[Ninga]

13. Ok, explain to me what happens to the case when charges are dropped? The case belongs to the

DOJ the judge applies the laws. If the charges are dropped, no case. Right?

[PRETZEL]

15. Not from what I have read,

the case against Flynn has already been tried and Flynn plead guilty under a plea deal agreed to by all parties. I would think that at that point, the only thing that hasn't been settled is his sentencing, which lies solely with Judge Sullivan.

[LastDemocratInSC]

18. You are correct. The case is on the last page of the final chapter.

[Solomon]

27. Yes. He has already been convicted but not yet sentenced.

The judge needs to hold a hearing to expose the smoke and mirrors being employed. After the hearing sentence the guy and let him sit in jail while he appeals to the Supreme court. If a proper record is made during the hearing, I don't see how the Supreme court would overturn the conviction except to flat out upend our justice system.

[lark]

14. Nah, those rw fascist Russian Repugs at SCOTUS will definitely take the case and exonerate drumpf.

It's what rw fascists do.

[mopinko]

16. welp, i dunno. but

sure hope they have a quick sketch artist on duty, cuz i'm thinkin the judge is gonna have quite a bit to say.

there are 2 courts in america. the legal ones, and the court of public opinion.
we are starting to see more people telling the unvarnished truth.
the record of their crimes is gonna be tried on the front pages for decades.
hopefully they all get life sentences.

[Ninga]

20. I love my DU peeps. But. I asked a lawyer friend what recourse Judge has, she said none.

DOJ dropped charges.

There is no longer a case.

Judge has nothing to adjudicate.

Flynn walks.

[kentuck]

21. Is the Judge part of the Executive Branch or the Judicial Branch.

I don't think he works for Bill Barr? Or does he?

It seems to me that the Judge can only be over-ruled by a higher Judge - like the Supreme Court?

[Ninga]

22. I don't know. I guess we will find out.

[Solomon]

28. The courts are the third supposedly co-equal branch of our government. They don't work for the

Legislative or executive branches.

[sl8]

23. The DOJ has *requested* dismissal. The motion has not been ruled on.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/doj-is-close-to-getting-michael-flynn-a-legal-outcome-that-is-far-better-than-a-trump-pardon/
It’s Not a Done Deal Yet: DOJ Doesn’t Have the Final Word on Michael Flynn, the Judge Does

Motion (PDF):
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/05/07/flynn.pdf

[Ninga]

24. Thank you. I read the first link and found it helpful to understanding. Unfortunately, see

this paragraph taken from article.

“Yet Rossi, the former prosecutor, said something akin to legal lunacy would predictably occur if the judge forces the case to continue. Were the judge to order the case to proceed, the prosecution would likely not call witnesses or even show up to court. And, that would be ridiculous. Rossi called the procedural moves a de facto “back door pardon” for Flynn.”

[Solomon]

29. Jeez. He has already been convicted! What about that that people do not understand!

[GusBob]

25. With respects Glenn Kirscher a lawyer who has appeared before the judge in court

Spoke on this subject on the radio today. And he disagrees with you.

he said this judge ( paraphrase) smells out bullshit and does not tolerate such

he can and probably will call a hearing

[Ninga]

26. Of course he will, but a hearing produces what? Please see the link.

It fully explains what recourse, and not, the judge has.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/doj-is-close-to-getting-michael-flynn-a-legal-outcome-that-is-far-better-than-a-trump-pardon/

[Solomon]

30. The hearing will show that their motion has no basis in fact and law and so the conviction should

stand. The judge should sentence him and Flynn can then file whatever appeal he thinks he has but hopefully he will sit in jail pending appeal.

I spent 20 years practicing before Judge Sullivan and Judge Walton and I can tell you, they don't go for bullshitting. They take their work very seriously.

If he doesn't hold a hearing then people will just keep spouting the lies that are in their motion in support of exonerating Flynn.

[Ninga]

31. Ok then. I trust your experience. Thanks.