Santorum: there's no argument on the science that life begins at conception

[Dragonbreathp9d]

He argued that it is a scientific fact that at the moment between excitement and sleep there is a human being with unique DNA already residing within the woman

[louis-t]

1. If you don't want there to be an argument, you just say..

"there's no argument, it's a fact." Ass.

[asjr]

2. Another Santorism--if you just think about sex you

have already conceived.

[saras]

3. There's serious argument as to whether life begins at ADULTHOOD.

Fuckin' idiot.

Whether someone thinks it's a life or not simply isn't the issue. The issue is that nature arranged it so that it's that woman's concern alone what happens to that life - whether it gets a chance on this planet or not. It's simply no one else's business, even if the woman is not a good, moral, or intelligent person. That's all.

I have no problem whatsoever with the idea that a fetus IS a life, and that the woman has an unquestioned right to abort it, whether consciously through a procedure or unconsciously through spontaneous abortion. If the body says no, that baby dies, and there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

Now, I don't actually believe that a zygote is a human life, but my point is that even if it is, it doesn't change the issue any.

"the moment between excitement and sleep" - WTF? No sex in the morning for Santorum, apparently.

Male masturbation is practice for war - killing all those millions of little babies, with ONE HAND!

[Zoeisright]

4. Another day, another lie in Santorum world.

I hate his fucking guts.

[Angry Dragon]

5. Sperm are alive

is he going to go around and collect them??

[mzteris]

32. well it's a sin to

spill your seed on the ground, isn't it?

[CTyankee]

6. As a matter of fact, there IS science that says otherwise.

Medical science says a pregnancy is measured from the time of the implantaton of the fertilized ovum in the wall of the uterus.

Medical science is VERY clear on this, Santorum 's "sancified" fertilization of the egg narrative notwithstanding.

[wildeyed]

7. lol, I would like to see the citation for that fact. n/t

[Old and In the Way]

8. The potential for life begins at conception.

It's no guarantee of life outside the womb. Ask God...because natural spontaneous miscarriages (or abortions) are in his domain. Which far outnumber abortions for convenience. And why, Rick, would you defy God's will and make the decision with your wife to abort your fetus? Are you implying your wife's live outweighs that of a 20 week old fetus? You and your wife chose an induced abortion (not still birth @ 20 weeks) - the same right you seem to want to deny to others. Moral relativist and hypocrite of the highest order.

[opihimoimoi]

9. ANUS PAINUS should STFU instead of convincing us of his head up his ass feels good...dumb fuck

[Aerows]

10. I always find it amusing when Republicans are adamant about this.

These are people who deny evolution, deny climate change, and are skeptical of absolutely everything with regards to science, but on this particular issue, they accept science as undisputed fact. I guess as long as it supports their views, science matters. When it doesn't directly support their views, they dismiss it.

It's ridiculous, really. How can you accept what science says for one particular issue, but then turn right around and deny it on hundreds of others?

[mzteris]

33. I don't think science supports his statement. . .

The ability to hold conflicting ideas in your head is fundamental to believing in any kind of religion or supernatural being.

[Aerows]

34. Oh I think it is certainly debatable

I'm just saying that it is amusing to me when they wave the science flag on this particular issue, yet ignore blatant scientific evidence in other cases as they see fit.

[mzteris]

39. it's not even REMOTELY debatable . . .

in real science anyway.

[Aerows]

40. That life begins at conception?

There are many who define it by when the fertilized egg implants itself in the uterine wall.

[mzteris]

42. Santorum is claiming

when sperm meets egg - not implantation...

And no - real science/medicine does not claim that it's "a life" at implantation - just a bunch of cells.

Even the in the Koran written several thousand years ago, it says something about it not becoming a "baby" until like the 4th month. Can't remember the chapter and verse right now - haven't looked that one up in about 10 years. Interesting, though.

[Quantess]

11. Nobody fucking asked him!

I don't give a fuck what Santorum thinks! He needs to get out of people's crotches and mind his own goddamned business.

Santorum makes me so thoroughly disgusted. I don't agree with ANY of his "morals"! I do not want someone imposing their sick, misguided views of "morality" on other people's lives.

[handmade34]

15. well actually...

I just listened to his town hall in Hollis, NH and a woman did ask... that being said; he should stay out of other people's bedrooms and bodies

AND:

Scientific theory verses fact

"Let's first clarify the difference between a theory and a fact. When it comes to science, a theory isn't just a thought where we imagine something. When people think of the word theory, they are often thinking in the terms, "I have a theory." But in science that doesn't qualify as a theory. Something isn't a scientific theory until it has enough strong evidence to back it up and make it a reasonable assumption. Evolution doesn't qualify as a theory.

A theory can never be proven. It never becomes a fact; however, scientific theories are supported by facts. A scientific theory is a generally accepted explanation of a scientific concept. For an example I will use Electro-magnetic Theory. There are several areas of study and varying terms for this theory, but for the sake of clarity, I'll stick to the well known terminology. There are many facts we know about this concept, but we will never reach a final conclusion. It began as a hypothesis – or an educated guess. Experimentation led to failures, successes and breakthroughs. As the concepts developed, a wider understanding was born and the theory is now a field of study.

Even though the theory cannot be proven, it can be expanded and built upon. For example, the first breakthrough was electro-magnetic current. Then the electron magnet, followed by magnetic propulsion; a motor; electric engines; circuits; circuit boards, conductors, super-conductors and so on. At each level technology is built on top of previous knowledge. The process is never a fact, but many facts are discovered and support the theory. Errors in the theory often are not discovered until several generations of breakthroughs later. Calculating a magnetic field for a motor does not require the same level of precision as an MRI used in hospitals. During development of new technology, an error may be discovered that requires the researcher to go back several generations of technology, find the error and then go back to research. Sometimes an error will take a scientist back to the drawing board and even revolutionize a field of study. The farther technology advances, the more precision is required. So a theory is never complete. It is built upon and expanded as it reaches new heights.

In this sense, evolution does not qualify as a theory. A theory allows you to go back and make modifications when an error is discovered. This is not possible with evolution. The premise can’t change or it ceases to be evolution. Evolutionary study can NEVER draw any other conclusion other than evolving life and remaining within the box. That is why evolutionists must call it a fact. If it is not a fact, they have no foundation. They can’t admit defeat without abandoning ship. Therefore, even if the facts don’t support it, they tenaciously defend their position. Evolution can’t even be accurately called a hypothesis. A hypothesis is an educated guess that is followed by experimentation to prove or disprove the assumption. Evolutionists do make many educated guesses, but the experimentation can’t be honestly evaluated. It either gives the results they want, or it is tossed out. The results can’t be allowed to contradict the ‘fact’ of evolution because they can’t go back and make the necessary corrections. The end result has already been determined and anything that does not support its foundation or point to the evolutionary destination cannot be accepted."

[Quantess]

21. If this question were in a more neutral context, I might be interested in a more thoughtful analysis

but this is that creep Santorum we're talking about. I am so fucking sick of people like him who can't let people make their own decisions about their reproduction. My reproduction, my sex life, etc. is NONE OF HIS GODDAMN BUSINESS! I meant it rhetorically when I said "nobody fucking asked him!"

Please not I am not shouting at you, handmade34. The mere mention of Rick Santorum makes me irritated and disgusted.

We shouldn't even dignify his opinion by discussing how true it is or isn't. We need to remember that this sick pest named Santorum wants to stick his nose in everyone's crotch and dictate his morals on America.

[handmade34]

28. ...

I share your irritation

[Aerows]

36. That makes three of us!

[Aerows]

35. Yet there are so many examples where he is amoral

Running a "charity" that only spent 36% of the funds on charitable interests, whereas a typical charity donates 75%. Most of the money he gathered went to salaries.

Running a PAC to help other Republicans, and most of the money was spent on fast food, Wal-mart and grocery shopping.

He's crooked as a barrel of snakes, and is only interested in supporting the interests of the 1%, and primarily the cause of Rick Santorum. He brings up social issues because it foments support among his socially conservative supporters, but doesn't really require him to have a position on anything of substance, nor a plan to do anything of substance.

[Quantess]

41. Yes, and that's what we need to be talking about.

He is as corrupt and crooked along with the very worst of politicians.
As self-serving as Mitt Romney.
As unlikeable as Newt (actuallly even less likeable because at least Newt is sort of a clown and easy to laugh at).

Rick Santorum is a horrible, horrible candidate in so many ways.

[MrScorpio]

12. These gametes should be paying their taxes then

Microscopic leeches on society.

Another sure fire winner from Man-On-Dog.

[The Genealogist]

13. Of course he said that, he is a zygote fetishist

He and his ilk are unnaturally obsessed with zygotes. I imagine odd clubs where zygote idols are worshiped regularly. People like him claim they are human life. But when a child comes out of the womb they treat the child as LESS than human, a little monster who inherited the sin of Adam and is thus warped and evil. If the child was born to poor parents, it becomes an object of pure disdain. And I think this view of theirs is sick.

[David__77]

14. An egg lives, a cell lives, and a woman lives. Which do we value most?

That's the question. Women are not incubators, fetuses are not children, and abortion is not murder.

[SmileyRose]

16. The most perfect synopsys of the issue I've ever seen to state how I feel about it.

I plan to reuse this, because I stink at finding good words to accurately convey my thoughts.

I'd like to give you full credit when I do and will use "David 77" unless you tell me otherwise.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. +1

Send that to Planned Parenthood. That would make for a great ad or slogan!

[David__77]

22. PP doesn't like to be too ideologically confrontational.

Back when I defended abortion clinics, there were big debates about these things...

[handmade34]

20. when republicans

first care for all of the (postnatal and after) lives in this country... those that are homeless, hungry, abused and alone... then they can have the discussion about fetuses

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. So, he believes in "science" when it comes to conception

but not when it comes to global warming. Alrighty then!

[abelenkpe]

26. +1000 nt

[moriah]

19. But pregnancy does not begin until implantation. n/t

[quaker bill]

23. If so, then menstruation is one of the most common causes of death

[handmade34]

24. what an idiot...

science is all about argument and the willingness to be open-minded about conflict and diversity... there is plenty of unique DNA out there that Republicans don't value or respect

[jody]

25. Egg & sperm are alive before conception and life continues. Whether those elements have some

supernatural entity (soul?) that survives their death and that entity retains memories from the instance of life and can experience the senses we vaguely understand, e.g sight, smell, etc remains to be proven.

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. He sure talks about sex a lot.

A lot.

[demtenjeep]

29. he's not getting any

.

[Aerows]

38. I'd imagine he isn't

Looking at him and my word LISTENING to the crap that comes out of his mouth, it's not difficult to figure out why.

[jody]

31. What Tesha said. n/t

[Aerows]

37. His wife had a second trimester abortion

Because her life was threatened. He wants HIS wife to be able to have an abortion, but wants to dictate to every other woman that they can't have one.

He's a hypocrite. You can't be against abortion and then support your wife having one, while simultaneously trying to tell other women that they can't.