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Mon May 11, 2020, 03:51 AM

Assuming there's a free and fair election in November, and

assuming Biden wins, what is going to be the accountability for drumpf and his henchman?

Good god.....

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 03:55 AM

1. Depends on many things including control of congress , Trump/Pence pardoning each other

and others.

I don't think anything will really happen to them unless it's states that go after them. I think the best we can hope for is that everything they have done is exposed, we make improvements to try to avoid some of this in the future.

And they are just shunned by the public and Trump business continues to fail .

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 04:18 AM

2. Depends on how much of the United States remains ...

After Trump,uses his last two and a half months on a vendetta to destroy the country.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #2)

Mon May 11, 2020, 05:22 AM

4. +1,

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #2)

Mon May 11, 2020, 07:45 AM

7. My expectation is Trump spends most of it golfing, but McConnell does the damage

McConnell and the Federalist Society use the lame duck period to fill every single vacancy and also encourage every older conservative judge to retire, maximizing the number of younger right wing judges.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 04:29 AM

3. Were Shrub or Dick Cheney

or John Woo (author of the infamous memo green lighting torture) held accountable by the succeeding Democratic administration? Were ANY Bush officials held accountable by the Obama Administration, despite some pretty in-your-face malfeasance?

Hate on me for saying but it appears that Dems just do not have the stomach for going after officials from previous administrations for their activities. We'd rather "look forward" and let sleeping dogs lie.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:45 AM

10. +1 I'm sorry to say you're right. We are afraid to call crimes crimes.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 06:51 AM

5. Let's hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Let us not "go gently into that dark night"*

but keep our metaphorical and virtual weapons close at hand and make the bastards pay...

* Do not go gentle into that good night
Dylan Thomas - 1914-1953

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I first heard this poem when I was in school. Also in the movie Back To School with Rodney Dangerfield. It has always moved me...

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 06:57 AM

6. That's quite an assumption!

What if Trump decides that the virus is bad enough to shut down everything, including elections? He wants to open everything up right now but he may change his mind when he decides his best chance of staying in power is to shut everything down just before election?

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 07:58 AM

8. As my prosecutor buddy always says

there are things you know and the things you can prove. They aren't always the same thing.

While everyone knows that Trump is a bloviating and corrupt buffoon, but proving that beyond a reasonable doubt, in court, while adhering to the rules of evidence may not be as simple as people think.

This ass clown will have the best lawyers that money can buy who can and will file motion after motion after motion and who can and will spin an excellent and plausible story to a jury.

Convicting a former president would be a significant hill to climb and the evidence has to be absolutely 100% irrefutable and unimpeachable.


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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:40 AM

9. depends on outcome in House and Senate as well as the state and local elections, a massive

 

blue tidal wave would make going after trump and his criminal circle way easier to do. One of obama's greatest mistake was not going after Bush/Cheney.Rumsfeld and the MIC that drove the iraqi war and middle east disintegration.

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